We Are Not Worthy

[Bristol Boy]

We have some people who, in the past, I've described as the "we're not worthy possee"

Their postings, which I've noticed are becoming less & less frequent, this season ,usually go something like:

" Do you think you know better than Danny? He's played 5,000 games and Frank has 200 hundred years in football...etc, etc, how dare you state an opinion to the contrary, etc, etc"

Well, I was listening to Jimmy Hill on Sunday arguing that Ferdinand's ban was so harsh because (DIDDUMS) has been banned for the first four games of next year, because the people who heard the case "were people who hadn't played the game at the highest level and therefore, didn't understand football"

Now, I've written to Sky and complained about this dinosaur who should just retire and let younger blokes talk more modern b0ll0ck$.

Unfortuneately, part of the mystique people like Hill try to build up about Football, is that there is something very difficult about the game and only playing at the highest level can prepare you for it.

COBBLERS!!

The only thing that keeps most managers in a job, is that there is a constantly recycled pool of incompetent labour, mainly due to sackings.The virtual closed shop, perpetuates this situation.

The daft formations & combinations that I've viewed, even this season, would make a first year FA Coach cry and there's many a manager that would do well to listen to the fans and forget their prejudices and prejudgements.

On Ferdinand, just a couple of points:

1.With a club doctor, loads of physios and a phone call to his driver-he forgot??.........Please!

"I was moving house" Yeh right, because you couldn't afford removal agents on £70kpw!!

"I'm absent minded"-Try not paying him for two weeks, see if he notices!

2.The only people who will not attend drug tests now are those who know they'll fail and will settle for 8 months.

3.An Olympic Champion and four times world record holder in athletics/Cycling missed a test and was banned for 4 YEARS!

[REDOXO]

Oh dear some sense careful mate the managers assoc hit squad will be coming after you.....As I understand it the English league is one of the few that allows coaches to coach without a licence and sky is the only TV company that would employ a ##**** like JH to talk c$$p on TV... then again someone was watching....

and thats enough to keep him on the air.

[SimplyRed]

...so let's assume you are a football club chairman (hard to imagine, I agree ) who needed a manager and you had 2 candidates for the job.

Candidate #1:

Someone with several years experience at managing and coaching at all levels of the game, as well as being an experienced player.

Candidate #2:

A self-opinionated, arrogant, know-it-all who thinks football is 'simple game', who has never been employed in the professional football and is probably employed as a gas fitter, and is the star player, or manager, of his local Sunday League side.

Who would you employ?

I can understand your desire to see innovation and inventiveness - everybody would - but it has to come from the establishment and brought into the official coaching methods. You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think that any professional club would take any notice of the ramblings of the irate 'fan on the terraces'.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but just because you think you are right, doesn't mean that you are.

As for your Ferdinand comment, try being a little more objective:

The man was not caught taking drugs - he broke a rule. He offered to put his mistake right within an hour. For that he gets an 8 month ban? - ridiculous.

All it means to me is that the FA should tighten up on their procedures for random drug testing. The fact that Ferdinand was ABLE to leave without submitting to the test says it all...

[Bristol Boy]

...so let's assume you are a football club chairman (hard to imagine, I agree  ) who needed a manager and you had 2 candidates for the job.

Candidate #1:

Someone with several years experience at managing and coaching at all levels of the game, as well as being an experienced player.

Candidate #2:

A self-opinionated, arrogant, know-it-all who thinks football is 'simple game', who has never been employed in the professional football and is probably employed as a gas fitter, and is the star player, or manager, of his local Sunday League side.

Who would you employ?

I can understand your desire to see innovation and inventiveness - everybody would - but it has to come from the establishment and brought into the official coaching methods.  You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think that any professional club would take any notice of the ramblings of the irate 'fan on the terraces'.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but just because you think you are right, doesn't mean that you are. 

As for your Ferdinand comment, try being a little more objective:

The man was not caught taking drugs - he broke a rule.  He offered to put his mistake right within an hour.  For that he gets an 8 month ban? - ridiculous.

All it means to me is that the FA should tighten up on their procedures for random drug testing.  The fact that Ferdinand was ABLE to leave without submitting to the test says it all...

The fact that you produce such stark alternatives says more about you than me.

You're either an expert or an idiot and there's nowhere in between. Why do you think France, for example, only allows those that have bothered to become educated and qualified to become coaches & managers?

You never know, if we do it, we might win a World or European Cup and then not have to wait nigh on 30 years for our next one!

How dare you presume that I haven't coached at a far higher level than parks football and levy the trade of Gas Fitter as an insult?

Tell you what, next time there's an escape outside your house, give DW a call and see who's got the more important job that day.

On Ferdinand, you're quite entitled to agree with Jimmy Hill but at least extend the same courtesy to others.

Oh and the football club chairman, well, if I was David Dein of Arsenal, I might go for an unknown bloke who could actually coach and was no great player by his admission....Arsene Wenger?

I might also view his track record-promotions-relegations-signings-spending.Review DW's and then reply.

[SimplyRed]

<br /> The fact that you produce such stark alternatives says more about you than me.

You're either an expert or an idiot and there's nowhere in between. Why do you think France, for example, only allows those that have bothered to become educated and qualified to become coaches & managers?

You never know, if we do it, we might win a World or European Cup and then not have to wait nigh on 30 years for our next one!

How dare you presume that I haven't coached at a far higher level than parks football and levy the trade of Gas Fitter as an insult?

Tell you what, next time there's an escape outside your house, give DW a call and see who's got the more important job that day.

On Ferdinand, you're quite entitled to agree with Jimmy Hill but at least extend the same courtesy to others.

Oh and the football club chairman, well, if I was David Dein of Arsenal, I might go for an unknown bloke who could actually coach and was no great player by his admission....Arsene Wenger?

I might also view his track record-promotions-relegations-signings-spending.Review DW's and then reply.

The fact that you produce such stark alternatives says more about you than me.

You're either an expert or an idiot and there's nowhere in between. Why do you think France, for example, only allows those that have bothered to become educated and qualified to become coaches & managers?

Obviously I'm not as intelligent as you, because you confuse me here. On the one hand you're saying that that you have valid views about football and could do the job just as well, and on the other you imply that the British game would be better off with the French system. The only conclusion that makes sense here is that you are a qualified coach - is that what you are suggesting?

How dare you presume that I haven't coached at a far higher level than parks football and levy the trade of Gas Fitter as an insult?

I haven't presumed anything about you (so again you imply a coaching badge). If you read my post properly, I suggested that you should assume the position of a football club chairman. Where did I suggest that the second candidate for the hypothetical job was meant to be you?

On Ferdinand, you're quite entitled to agree with Jimmy Hill but at least extend the same courtesy to others.

Fair point - I was merely trying to illustrate that the points you made become irrelevant when you address the wider issue.

Oh and the football club chairman, well, if I was David Dein of Arsenal, I might go for an unknown bloke who could actually coach and was no great player by his admission....Arsene Wenger?

And your point is...? Is Arsene Wenger not a qualified coach and former player? Did he not have prior experience of the professional game?

....

Let's cut to the chase here -

You are not happy with Wilson as manager and you think you could do his job better?

Me, I would not be so presumptious - yes, I think he's made mistakes but generally, I think he's been good for the club and, at this present moment in time, there is nobody available that could do better.

You want to slag him off, that's your prerogative, but as you said, at least extend me the courtesy of having an alternative viewpoint without categorising me as 'happy-clappy', 'having blind faith' and, what was it you said in your initial post? being a part of the 'we're not worthy possee'.

[England]

hmm - I think Bristolboy might be having a dig at me after my post:

DW is the best manager we have had in a very long time and makes decisions based on what he and the coaches see on a daily basis, on who is fit, on who is injured/ill/not training well plus pick the team on what needs to be done against the other teams which he has watched or had watched - none of this information is available to any of you "experts".

I happily argue against some of his decisions like the rest of you but would never ever think I was more able than him to do his job and to think he is swayed by anything said on this forum is laughable.

However, Simply Red picked up the points and argued them far more eloquently than I could have done.

Happy New Year City!

[PhatWill]

Has everyone here missed the boat on why Rio missed the test or something??

Obviously it couldn't be discussed on this forum but I know where Rio was on the morning he missed that drugs test, needless to say he certainly wasn't shopping!

This information was brought up in court, and is the reason why Ferdinand got off comparatively lightly.

The reason there won't be a public inquiry into the case is because there is a lot of politics related to the truth and theres no way that Ferdinands lawyers would let the truth come out as it would damage his reputation even further.

[lotusman]

I have no problem listening to Jimmy Hill or indeed anyone advanced in years with a wealth of experience in our beloved game.Still love hearing Bobby Robson talk,so passionate & enthusiastic as ever.

We are all free to accept or disagree with their viewpoint but should at least afford a level of respect to the substance that has heped form it.This then gives us the perspective to concur or counter it.I can still remember the drive & dynamism Jimmy Hill brought to Coventry 30 odd years ago & he has been good for football throughout his life.

With regard to qualifications and what makes a good manager the sport of football is the most precarious of any.Reality dictates that each season in a division of 24 teams only one will finish first and of course no-one predicts their team will finish last.Expectations for most are ridiculous and of course you can't sack the players and so its always the manager that goes.

Bill Shankly probably had as little education as any manager in the history of the game,but ,oh,how Liverpool would love for such a guy today!

Regarding the mention of France,is this the same France that although one of the favourites at the last World cup actually never made it out the group!