wesco Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Was Godfellow injured last night because I couldn't believe Roberts came on. Some of you my well know that I am not Roberts biggest fan and last night I think proved my point. He makes his first run down the wing and from a tight angle shoots when two strikers are waiting forr the cross. Then he is infron of his maker with the ball in the last few minutes, any winger ould have hit the ball miles in front of him to run on to it but no Roberts is trying to control it and it takes 5 attepts an then he get tackled. I can't understand why that bloke is playing, I'd ratehr see M Brown or Lita playing there ahead of him. I can't understand what he is thinking, he has to hit everything as hard as he can which means the accuracey isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Neo Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 We watch different games I think. I saw some service crosses supplied from somewhere near the by-line in the last 20 minutes. Not the greatest service, but service all the same; something we lacked for the previous 70 minutes. Of course, we can continue to see if crosses from the half-way line eventually bear fruit; strangers things have happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesco Posted January 28, 2004 Author Share Posted January 28, 2004 Neo like you said no not good service, he had the space to look up and pin point the cross but he does'nt he flashes the ball across the goal which is good if it's possible to gr someone on the end of it but it's never near anyone. I have broght a neutral fan to a number of games this season and on every occassion hecan't believe Roberts gets a game. I just find him so frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Neo like you said no not good service, he had the space to look up and pin point the cross but he does'nt he flashes the ball across the goal which is good if it's possible to gr someone on the end of it but it's never near anyone. I have broght a neutral fan to a number of games this season and on every occassion hecan't believe Roberts gets a game. I just find him so frustrating. Give him a run then, I've not seen him have a mare, although his shooting is #### this season, but on-off start-bench stuff dont help him does it, with Goodfellow about, the pressure is off him slightly and we can see what he can do...he is better than Aaron lately, so see what the two pacey wingers can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompo Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Give him a run then, I've not seen him have a mare, although his shooting is #### this season, but on-off start-bench stuff dont help him does it, with Goodfellow about, the pressure is off him slightly and we can see what he can do...he is better than Aaron lately, so see what the two pacey wingers can do. Who can honestly say that Roberts would have finished as clinically as Goodfellow last night given the same situation that led to the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciderhead Reynolds Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 he simply isnt a right winger !! When he came to us Exter fans said he had excellent potential but needs some fine tuneing , ok he has improved but not a great deal 2 be in r starting 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenun Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Who can honestly say that Roberts would have finished as clinically as Goodfellow last night given the same situation that led to the goal. Me for one. What a lot of forum members conveniently forget is that Chris Roberts scored 17 goals, last season, his first full campaign, as a STRIKER. He is NOT a winger, but has to perform as a stop-gap, in all too brief cameo appearances as a sub. Following Peacock's good pre-season; and Miller's signing, CR was relegated to 3rd choice striker and hasn't started many games for City. He excelled against Brighton away, without scoring, benefitting from Luke Wilkshire's move to central midfield. So don't compare Chris to Marc, as it's a foregone conclusion. If Chris get's future opportunities in his favoured position, I'm sure we'll reap the rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesco Posted January 28, 2004 Author Share Posted January 28, 2004 Yeah but how many could he have got last seaon? he could of had 30 goals. This season he hasn't scored nowhere near as many yet has played a fair few matches and deffinatly has had the chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Yeah but how many could he have got last seaon? he could of had 30 goals. This season he hasn't scored nowhere near as many yet has played a fair few matches and deffinatly has had the chances Much too harsh on Roberts. Who's to say if he'd played every league game up front that he wouldn't be in double figures for goals now? His tally from last season suggests he probably would. The midfielders are under instruction from DW to shoot more. Roberts put in a rasping long shot near the end last night which the keeper momentarily spilled, thus following instructions to the letter. To say he should have had 30 goals last year is absurd - how many players in our league get that total? Robert's has played very few full matches this season, especially in his preferred position. How many would LP have scored as a stop-gap, stop-start right winger? Give the bloke a break - he's a damn good player and could be a very important one for us before this season is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukejones2 Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 posted elsewhere: Neo, couldn't agree more! One thing that worries me though is that he took off Goodfellow last night for Roberts. When Aaron was doing nothing really, why was he not removed with Marc having a go down the left?? Roberts is not a terrible player but he is one of the most "Stupid" footballers I have ever seen. Crosses when he should shoot, shoots when he should cross, cuts in when he should go wide and vice-versa.. He's alright, he's just not good enough for our current squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesco Posted January 28, 2004 Author Share Posted January 28, 2004 The midfielders are under instruction from DW to shoot more. out. Is that something that Wilson or the players told you? Saying that Roberts meakes stupid decisions surely means that he shouldn't be on the pitch because he isn't scoring, he isn't making assits and he is making the wrong decisions. So what does he do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukejones2 Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Saying that Roberts meakes stupid decisions surely means that he shouldn't be on the pitch because he isn't scoring, he isn't making assits and he is making the wrong decisions. So what does he do? Perhaps you're missing the fact that I agree with you? n response, however, he is pacy and causes defenders problems. He shouldn't be playing though because of those points made in my previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesco Posted January 28, 2004 Author Share Posted January 28, 2004 I saw the bit that you agree but you said it's not that he is a terrible footballer. I think he is. I don't know what it is about the bloke. Most players we have had down at Ashton Gate that I HAVEN'T LIKE i would either have a chuckle over and always support them but with Roberts I feel embarrased to be a City fan when he gets the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Northern Cider-Dude Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 That is much too harsh on Roberts, some of the goals he scored for us last season proves what a player he can be, fair enough he hasnt had the best of campaigns yet but every player has a bad patch in their career. Cast your minds back to MAnsfield away last season, Roberts was sensational, those goals he scored were of very high quality and what about when we played CArdiff away, he ran them ragged and scored a goal then aswell Personally the only thing i think he lacks is consistency but that can be laernt over time, he is still only young and could be a hell of a player yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Is that something that Wilson or the players told you? Saying that Roberts meakes stupid decisions surely means that he shouldn't be on the pitch because he isn't scoring, he isn't making assits and he is making the wrong decisions. So what does he do? No, neither Danny or any of the players told me personally, Danny was quoted in the media a few days ago and it was widely reported. I saw it on Teletext myself. Danny was basically talking about all the follow-ups that would be available to our strikers if our "midfielders" were to shoot more and how we had plenty - Goodfellow, Tinnion, Doherty (after his goal against Chesterfield) and Roberts who were quite capable of doing so. Roberts indeed has a ferocious shot amongst many other attributes. Your self-admitted dislike of him seems to cloud your judgement. The fact that you don't like him doesn't make Roberts a bad player, your rants on this thread only serve to devalue your argument to the point of it being near non-sensical. The FACT is that when he was played regularly in his preferred position last season he was a resounding goal-scoring success and there is absolutely nothing to suggest that if he had been given the same opportunities this season that the outcome would have been any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 No, neither Danny or any of the players told me personally, Danny was quoted in the media a few days ago and it was widely reported. I saw it on Teletext myself. Danny was basically talking about all the follow-ups that would be available to our strikers if our "midfielders" were to shoot more and how we had plenty - Goodfellow, Tinnion, Doherty (after his goal against Chesterfield) and Roberts who were quite capable of doing so. Roberts indeed has a ferocious shot amongst many other attributes. Your self-admitted dislike of him seems to cloud your judgement. The fact that you don't like him doesn't make Roberts a bad player, your rants on this thread only serve to devalue your argument to the point of it being near non-sensical. The FACT is that when he was played regularly in his preferred position last season he was a resounding goal-scoring success and there is absolutely nothing to suggest that if he had been given the same opportunities this season that the outcome would have been any different. I haven't really thought of this before but... As a player who gets into so many shooting positions per-match when he plays,(undoubtably more than most) surely such a 'stupid' player wouldn't get into those positions? You're not telling me it's coincidence that he gets into those sorts of positions every time. I wouldn't say he was a "he was a resounding goal-scoring success", but I couldn't agree more on the other points you've made. Having said that, Goodfellow is a far better player and is doing a better job than I honestly think Roberts is capable of right now on the right wing. Up until Goodfellow came, Roberts was our best option there. Now, he is not. Miller was outstanding at Hartlepool in the 2nd half and I stick with Wilson in that he should still be given time to show that potential on a more consistant level and gain experience in the proccess. I also believe it's hard to drop Peacock at this moment in time as he's going through a goal scoring spurt (Make the most of it while he's doing it) and his work-rate and link up play with Miller merits both of them to continue upfront. Therefore, at this moment in time, Roberts wouldn't get in my team anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redrobin108 Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Interesting reading the different comments about Roberts, Miller, Peacock, Goodfellow, etc. How many times this season as Roberts started as a out and out striker, not many. How many goals did Peacock get last season ? Roberts is not a winger, he is a old fashioned striker, and should be given more of a chance, I believe he could create a lot of goals for goodfellow and Miller given the chance, but unfortunatly, DW is in love with Peacock and the only way Roberts will get the chance to prove his worth, his if Peacock is injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedUn Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 How many times this season as Roberts started as a out and out striker, not many. Nine How many goals did Peacock get last season ? Twelve Next question ... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newboy Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 So why not swap Aaron Brown for Roberts and play Goodfellow on the left and Roberts on the right? It's been said by soooo many people that he should, but I've yet to hear reasons why not! Apart from the Swindon goal, I really can't remember the last time Brown impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Because Goodfellow is comfortable on the right and looks good cutting inside. He's scored 3 goals in 4 games through that ability to cut in. He terrifies opposition left backs, and teams resort to doubling up on him. He looks comfortable there, so leave him there for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedUn Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 So why not swap Aaron Brown for Roberts and play Goodfellow on the left and Roberts on the right? It's been said by soooo many people that he should, but I've yet to hear reasons why not! It is certainly an option that the manager will have at his disposal as and when required - bet a few others wouldn't mind having the same flexibility in their squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I haven't really thought of this before but... As a player who gets into so many shooting positions per-match when he plays,(undoubtably more than most) surely such a 'stupid' player wouldn't get into those positions? You're not telling me it's coincidence that he gets into those sorts of positions every time. I wouldn't say he was a "he was a resounding goal-scoring success", but I couldn't agree more on the other points you've made. Having said that, Goodfellow is a far better player and is doing a better job than I honestly think Roberts is capable of right now on the right wing. Up until Goodfellow came, Roberts was our best option there. Now, he is not. Miller was outstanding at Hartlepool in the 2nd half and I stick with Wilson in that he should still be given time to show that potential on a more consistant level and gain experience in the proccess. I also believe it's hard to drop Peacock at this moment in time as he's going through a goal scoring spurt (Make the most of it while he's doing it) and his work-rate and link up play with Miller merits both of them to continue upfront. Therefore, at this moment in time, Roberts wouldn't get in my team anyway. Perhaps "resounding goalscoring success" was elevating Robert's contribution last season just slightly. But 17 goals in your first full season, coupled with the great quality, timing and importance of a high percentage of them is a successful return on 100k in my book. Compared to our other strikers last year, Roberts did have a great goal scoring season. If you then add on his attitude, commitment and workrate then i think he must have exceeded most of our expectations. I too would play Jolly if it's down to a straight choice at the moment but that isn't the player he should be competing with. No one's saying he's perfect and he can be frustrating, but considering some of the goals he scored last season will be remembered for many years, i find it very strange that some fans haven't taken to him. I like Miller too, but if the team aren't going to start getting a good number of crosses in for him then we're not going to see the best of him and his confidence may drop if he continues to draw a blank. Strikers live on goals after all, and Miller could do with a tap-in hat-trick. I don't know what the answer is but i don't think Roberts is getting a fair crack of the whip this season and i certainly don't want to see him getting squeezed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I haven't really thought of this before but... As a player who gets into so many shooting positions per-match when he plays,(undoubtably more than most) surely such a 'stupid' player wouldn't get into those positions? You're not telling me it's coincidence that he gets into those sorts of positions every time. I wouldn't say he was a "he was a resounding goal-scoring success", but I couldn't agree more on the other points you've made. Having said that, Goodfellow is a far better player and is doing a better job than I honestly think Roberts is capable of right now on the right wing. Up until Goodfellow came, Roberts was our best option there. Now, he is not. Miller was outstanding at Hartlepool in the 2nd half and I stick with Wilson in that he should still be given time to show that potential on a more consistant level and gain experience in the proccess. I also believe it's hard to drop Peacock at this moment in time as he's going through a goal scoring spurt (Make the most of it while he's doing it) and his work-rate and link up play with Miller merits both of them to continue upfront. Therefore, at this moment in time, Roberts wouldn't get in my team anyway. Perhaps "resounding goalscoring success" was elevating Robert's contribution last season just slightly. But 17 goals in your first full season, coupled with the great quality, timing and importance of a high percentage of them is a successful return on 100k in my book. Compared to our other strikers last year, Roberts did have a great goal scoring season. If you then add on his attitude, commitment and workrate then i think he must have exceeded most of our expectations. I too would play Jolly if it's down to a straight choice at the moment but that isn't the player he should be competing with. No one's saying Roberts is perfect and he can be frustrating, but considering some of the goals he scored last season will be remembered for many years, i find it very strange that some fans haven't taken to him. I like Miller too, but if the team aren't going to start getting a good number of crosses in for him then we're not going to see the best of him and his confidence may drop if he continues to draw a blank. Strikers live on goals after all, and Miller could do with a tap-in hat-trick. I don't know what the answer is but i don't think Roberts is getting a fair crack of the whip this season and i certainly don't want to see him getting squeezed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest g_funk Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 SIMPLE ANSWER, TAKE BROWN OUT because HE'S PANTS, PUT GOOD FELLOW ON HIS FAVOURED SIDE AND PUT ROBBO ON THE RIGHT, WE WOULD GET MUCH MORE 'SERVICE'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 So why not swap Aaron Brown for Roberts and play Goodfellow on the left and Roberts on the right? It's been said by soooo many people that he should, but I've yet to hear reasons why not! Apart from the Swindon goal, I really can't remember the last time Brown impressed. Newboy, my point exactly, a run in the team for Robbo, in the right wing position, plus Goodfellow on the left as he is a left footed player, is what I'm saying. both of them move around, both can score goals, and with Wilks and Tin Man there as well we should cause mayhem in most of our opponents teams. Aaron, Mickey Bell, Doc, and Marvin are all excellent subs to have, but these 4 players have a huge potential, of stretching any team in this division. Obviously DW aint going to drop Peacock, no matter how he plays so Leroy, and Lee M are good foils for him., and any of em will have a good service from midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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