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I'm not surprised by the "sack Sven" calls. Some of the names put forward to replace him crack me up laughing though.

The ideal candidate would be English... which knocks out a fair percentage of Premiership managers. He'd also have a wealth of intenational experience as a manager. That knocks out Allardyce, Curbishley, Pearce, Bruce, Robson, Jewell and Pardew. In fact - it leaves one man and one man only. McLaren - unless the FA want Peter Taylor.

Should Sven be sacked? No. I really don't see what use sacking him is going to do at this stage. We've a World Cup to play for yet. We;'ve had a couple of dodgy games... that's all. We ain't going to win the World Cup, but we never were regardless of who is/was in charge. The last (but relevant reason) why he shouldn't be sacked is finance. The sheer size of his compensation package is prohibitive. Perhaps the blame should lay squarely at the door of the FA, who gave him such a sizeable contract in the first place. Lets not forget though - when we took Sven on - we were pretty desparate after the Keegan resignation

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This Sven out business reminds me very much of Tinnions last few weeks at the helm when he was not able to get good players to preform at anything approaching their potential . Same remedy is required - Sven out ! p.s New manager MUST be English wether or not that person is on paper the best qualified for the job . Do you think the French or German national team would even consider a foreign coach ? I think not. Neither should we ! :englandsmile4wf:

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People dramatically overestimate the ability of the England team because of Premiership hype and massive wages.

The fact is there are only a couple of truly world class players in that team, saying "we should be thrashing the likes of ...." is just unrealistic at an international level.

Eriksson's days are numbered however because the press are setting him up to get fired if he doesn't win the world cup.

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You cannot compare the record of a manager at International level to that of a manager at our level.

I would hazard a guess that almost half those victories would be the equivalent of Chelsea taking on Colchester or Luton in games like England vs Azerbaijan or Macedonia.

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Sorry but in my opinion it would be in the best interest of the country if he left.

I've had the pleasure of being at 3 out of the last 4 games(missed NI away) and i understand people saying look at his record on paper.

But watching this last block of games starting in denmark, it looks like he's run out ideas and taken the team as far as he can.

One of the most frustrating things i've had to endure over the last couple of months(and this is saying alot after whats been happening with city) was spending over £500 to watch my country midweek in denmark.

I can take a defeat as good as any man, but when you've spent good money to see your team and you look at the bench and the manager is doing absolutely nothing but sit there with his legs crossed when your getting hammered really does make you wonder is his heart really in it.

And sadly the answer to that is no.

If your going down badly the least you can hope for is the manager trying at least to get the team going and get some shape back, not sit on his arse doing f all.

Bring someone in now who has passion for the job and not just looking for good wages.

In my opinion the best candidate at the moment is big sam at bolton.

He would do anything for his country and wouldnt take anything less from the players.

The players are getting away with too much under sven because they know they can get away with it, this would never happen under sam.

And before anyone says its too late now to do it, just look at what brazil did before the last world cup.

Didnt do them any harm!

:city: + :englandsmile4wf: forever.

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I'm Sick of Hearing that sven record is good here are the teams we have played Azerbaigan X2 Liechtenstein X 2 Macedonia X2 Albania X2 Slovakia X2 Wales X2 Northern Ireland X2 Finland

Turkey X2 Greece X2 Croatia Switerland Austria x2 Nigeria Germany France Portugal Denmark Argentina Poland Sweden Brazil

P32 Won 22 Drew 7 Lost 3

Looks Good on Paper Like the Team But Paper teams win Paper Cups and the World Cup is not Made out of Paper.

Looking at the teams England have faced id Fancy having the Record Sven Got and i don't get Paid 4 Million a YEAR 333,333 a Month 76,923 a Week and for What an Average Record will not even that an Below Average record GET HIM Out the best players we have had in years and 4 years on and we had not improved if anything gone Backwards.

P.S I think Sven Should be sacked by the way

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It isn't OTT to be calling for Sven's head and here's why.

1. We should have won every game in this mickey mouse group yet it looks like we will come 2nd.

2. Sven doesn't care whether we do well, only that he gets a big fat pay cheque and other things...

3. He does not take risks in games. Yesterday Austria were there to be had and we just sat back. We almost paid for it when we had Beckham sent off and were hanging on. How the hell are we going to come back against a top quality side in the World Cup.

4. The last 3 games have been even worse than ever. Wales, Northern Ireland and Austria are teams we should be beating by or 2/3 goals. Not losing or scraping past.

5. His record only looks impressive because we have barely had any decent teams to play. When you look at 'decent' results under him, how many can you name? Maybe winning 5-1 in Germany but you have to say that we didn't miss any chances that night. We were poor in Euro 2004 against Portugual and were lucky to take it to pens. We were poor in World Cup 2002 and deservedly lost to Brazil.

6. We have the players to do well next summer yet Sven doesn't know how to use them and how to fire them up.

The problem is we may not have anyone to come in immediately. Very depressing. We are just heading for a humiliating failure. Usually we have the dignified penalty shoot out exit in the 2nd round or Quarter final but I can't even see us getting out of the group stage with Sven in charge.

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It isn't OTT to be calling for Sven's head and here's why.

1. We should have won every game in this mickey mouse group yet it looks like we will come 2nd.

2. Sven doesn't care whether we do well, only that he gets a big fat pay cheque and other things...

3. He does not take risks in games. Yesterday Austria were there to be had and we just sat back. We almost paid for it when we had Beckham sent off and were hanging on. How the hell are we going to come back against a top quality side in the World Cup.

4. The last 3 games have been even worse than ever. Wales, Northern Ireland and Austria are teams we should be beating by or 2/3 goals. Not losing or scraping past.

5. His record only looks impressive because we have barely had any decent teams to play. When you look at 'decent' results under him, how many can you name? Maybe winning 5-1 in Germany but you have to say that we didn't miss any chances that night. We were poor in Euro 2004 against Portugual and were lucky to take it to pens. We were poor in World Cup 2002 and deservedly lost to Brazil.

6. We have the players to do well next summer yet Sven doesn't know how to use them and how to fire them up.

The problem is we may not have anyone to come in immediately. Very depressing. We are just heading for a humiliating failure. Usually we have the dignified penalty shoot out exit in the 2nd round or Quarter final but I can't even see us getting out of the group stage with Sven in charge.

This is the first time we have qualified for the world cup with on game to spare in 20 years......... Enough said...

P.s, can someone give me a decent name to replace Sven? Didnt think so

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Ok were scaping results, but were getting the results that we need, except for the N ireland game obviously. But don't people say its a sign of a good team if you scrape results? So why does this not apply for internationals?

Ok i'd like to see attacking football, but were getting the results, and were going to Germany!

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New manager MUST be English wether or not that person is on paper the best qualified for the job . Do you think the French or German national team would even consider a foreign coach ? I think not. Neither should we ! :englandsmile4wf:

'Hello Mr Tinnion? Yes it colonel Bradley Stokes here of the Football Association...no the ENGLISH Football Association...would you like the England managers job?

I'm sorry?

Who exactly is Doherty and why should he do that to himself? Mr Tinnion this is a reasonable and sensible request. No Mr Tinnion I don't hear anyone called Leroy laughing in the background. He can do what to himself?

Twice?

Hello? Hello? Mr Tinnion....hello?'

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Alex_BCFC

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This is the first time we have qualified for the world cup with on game to spare in 20 years......... Enough said...

P.s, can someone give me a decent name to replace Sven? Didnt think so

Most managers in the Premiership would do a better job. We should have won every game in the group- no excuses.

Yes we scraped results- the last 3 games in fact have been scrappy and we ended up losing. Can anyone remember the last time we played well and won well? Azerbijian at home doesn't count! We're getting the results because we are playing the blind school.

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I agree, Sven has to go. Yeah his record seems good, only lost three but look at the teams we've beat and with the players we have at our disposal, its no great achievement. The time to judge is in the major tournements, World Cup 2002, poor against Nigeria and well beaten by Brazil (yeah 2-1, but never looked like getting another goal), Euro 2004, splutted through the group stage after losing to France, then got absolutely destroyed by Portugal for a 120 minutes.

Sven is to laid back and he picks the wrong players constantly. If Crouch had gone to Sunderland in the Summer, would he be in the squad?? no. Heskey used to be a squad regular, he moves to Birmingham and he doesnt get in the squad again. Danny Murphy has been a different class this year, yet cant even make the squad....why? because he plays for Charlton, and not a "big" club.

Another reason is he is to afraid to drop one of the big names. Either Lampard of Gerrard needs to step aside for Carrick or Parker, some one who can hold the middle of the park and boss the midfield.

As for Owen, needs to be dropped. But because his anmes Michael Owen, he wont.

One more thing, anyone who thinks we need an English manager, rubbish. Allardyce or Curbishley would be a mistake

Martin O'Neil for England!!!!!

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I agree, Sven has to go. Yeah his record seems good, only lost three but look at the teams we've beat and with the players we have at our disposal, its no great achievement. The time to judge is in the major tournements, World Cup 2002, poor against Nigeria and well beaten by Brazil (yeah 2-1, but never looked like getting another goal), Euro 2004, splutted through the group stage after losing to France, then got absolutely destroyed by Portugal for a 120 minutes.

Sven is to laid back and he picks the wrong players constantly. If Crouch had gone to Sunderland in the Summer, would he be in the squad?? no. Heskey used to be a squad regular, he moves to Birmingham and he doesnt get in the squad again. Danny Murphy has been a different class this year, yet cant even make the squad....why? because he plays for Charlton, and not a "big" club.

Another reason is he is to afraid to drop one of the big names. Either Lampard of Gerrard needs to step aside for Carrick or Parker, some one who can hold the middle of the park and boss the midfield.

As for Owen, needs to be dropped. But because his anmes Michael Owen, he wont.

One more thing, anyone who thinks we need an English manager, rubbish. Allardyce or Curbishley would be a mistake

Martin O'Neil for England!!!!!

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Danny Murphy has been awesome this season yet hasn't had a look in. As for Owen, he may not be anywhere near as quick as he was and not have that spark like he did at World Cup 98, but we have no one better than him. He still gets a fair amount of chances and has a good reecord. I don't think Defoe is better than him at the moment.

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Erikson has ther best set of players at his disposal since?

He has a good record in qualifying for tournaments but look beneath the surface and results like drawing v Macedonia and defeat v Northern ireland stand out alongside the night in Munich.

When it really matters Sven seemingly cannot alter his tactics or motivate his players to get that extra 10%hence those defeats v Brazil and Portugal. Ultra cautious and dull, Rooney on the wing, Johnson on the wing, anybody on the left, David James, sitting back on a 1-0 lead after twenty minutes v Portugal :grr:

Agreed. Sven has a good record against poor teams.

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I have thanks but some others don't seem to.

ok...mate.

When we start losing badly then start complaining , you are just knarked off because people do not share the same views as you........

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When we start losing badly then start complaining , you are just knarked off because people do not share the same views as you........

We did lose badly to N.Ireland. You should be complaining now because we are going to beat badly if we keep Sven for next summer. I don't mind if people have the different views. But to say Sven has a 'good record' is rubbish considering the teams we have beaten.

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We did lose badly to N.Ireland. You should be complaining now because we are going to beat badly if we keep Sven for next summer. I don't mind if people have the different views. But to say Sven has a 'good record' is rubbish considering the teams we have beaten.

He has got us to the Finals , job done.........

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Agreed. We will be wasting our time seeing us lose to Angola.

Now you really are getting stupid , i hear the Saghead site is looking for pesimists .........

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Alex_BCFC

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What Argentina and Germany are poor sides are they, don't think so

Germany were when we beat them. Argentina was a good if unconvincing win. When you look at games importnat games we haven't done well enough. Portugual- Euro 2004. Nigeria, Sweden, Brazil- World Cup 2002.

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Germany were when we beat them. Argentina was a good if unconvincing win. When you look at games importnat games we haven't done well enough. Portugual- Euro 2004. Nigeria, Sweden, Brazil- World Cup 2002.

Oh shut up please , stop being so negative.........

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You mean talented players. And a talented Manager otherwise he wouldn't have got the job in the first place

Kevin Keegan managed to get the job. Doesn't mean he was talented. Sven did well intially but now is poor. We do have talented playerS, yes. The manager is the weak link.

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