People Slagging Off Johnson

[Super Scotty Murray]

When Johnson came to this club, 100% and i mean 100% of fans on THIS FORUM voted that they were happy that he was made manager.

All those muppets saying they had doubts about his appointment are talking absolute rubbish.

What can Johnson do? He had the team set up brilliantly today, for the first 20 minutes we were brilliant. He cannot be solely to blame for this team collapsing defensively every game.

Our defence is AWFUL, and if he gets a chance to sign some good defenders, a holding midfielder and maybe a new striker, then we can judge him.

The players he has are the muppets that tinnion has signed (apart from wilkshire, brooker and scott brown who are good enough in my opinion)

I don't agree with all his loan signings but he is doing what he can.

This club has been in decline for one and a half years, it is not because of him. He needs time. If we are still in this state at the end of the season, then I am willing to accept some peoples criticism of his management.

Now you moaners can just try and start getting behind the team, fans were great today - lets sing like that from the first minute, and not just when we go 4-1 behind.

[England]

Hey, fans can voice their opinions in any way they wish so they are not hypocrites because they have an opinion different to yours - I have not voiced an opinion on GJ so far but generally I suspect he is a better manager than Tins because he has been there and done it.

Many on this forum kept on about giving Tins time to bring in his own players - would it not be fair to allow GJ the same time, assuming SL can drag his hand out of his pocket in January.

[Guest Niall]

When Johnson came to this club, 100% and i mean 100% of fans on THIS FORUM voted that they were happy that he was made manager.

Its true, I was happy.

Just proves how little I know about professional football. (Insert your witty retort here )

[Guest citytop]

In answer to your question that the defence is awful, hasn't he signed 3 already and put in a new goalie, to my reckoning that's 4 out of 5

[redmeanie]

he is the man to turn things around. keep the faith.

gary johnsons cider army

[leadman]

i think if anyone wants gj out or starts slagging him, then they need there head examined.

my only little moan, concerns the fact he aint realy tried anything else out, i realize that what hes got is what hes got and thats that, i would like to see us go with 5 at the back at the moment, 3 centre halfs and stick with a left back and a right back, ok its negative but we do ship more goals than anyone else in england, browns tackling is better suited in the centre, not wide left, skuse should be dropped, get a tough tackler on loan and leave 2 up front, it can be a bit long ballish but with brooker upfront and wilks coming from midfield we could still get a goal or 2, anythings better than getting trounced every week, I'm sure by feb gj will have us going in the right direction, we still need to pick up points before then.

just a thought.

[Guest ziderfarmer]

to add to that o luck we have not the rub of the green lately if we get one lucky result ican turn around very quickly

[Super Scotty Murray]

In agreement with one of your replys, I do think he could give some young players a go rather than loaning players who don't really care about the club.

However, if anyone thinks partridge, carey or fortune would have done any better out there today I am happy to argue that point!!

[Chivs]

Errrr, make that 99.9%. I said on this forum I wasn't happy with his appointment.

That's not meant as a "told-you-so" as I sincerely hope to be proved wrong.

[B1ackbird]

"Even the bad times are good.."

OK. They aint..

GJ will do the biz, promise. The snag being that Huddersfield Town came to AG Three years ago and looked like us when they went one nill down, they sank like a stone..

[Chappers]

I always had a few reservations about GJ, he reminds me too much of Barry Fry. As I have said on other posts, sometimes you just get the wrong Manager for the circumstances. What I have not liked so far is-

Public criticism of individual players

Bringing in loan players who do not improve the side

Releasing 3 strikers, and Quinn, leaving us short of cover

Dropping Phillips

Talking garbage about hand-grenades

We needed experienced defenders and got 2 youngsters

We need pace up front and got Quinn

Playing Quinn as a lone striker

Playing Grant Smith at left back (I think that was where he was today)

I hope he proves me wrong, but I am having serious doubts. He keeps on about re-building in January, by then we might be ensconsed in the bottom 4, and then it will take the team time to gel, by which time we may be too far adrift. Perhaps he should have tried to rebuild at a slower pace, and less randomly. My suspicion is that he will get tapped up for another job, and then resign from us so that the City Board can save face, and GJ can save his cv. It just looks like the Pulis scenario all over again.

Also, did anyone else think GJ looked very isolated at times today - He hardly spoke with the coaches, nor the players going on/ off and was far less animated than usual.

[Guest Ronmeister]

Yes people were happy, because he had managed something like 2 promotions with Yeovil in 3 seasons.

We didn't know at the time that we'd lose 7 in a row...

[mozo]

I don't know if they're hypocrytical, but I think they might be impatient and lacking understanding of how football works.

Managers need to be backed and given time at the start of their reign.

[Atticus]

Our defence is AWFUL, and if he gets a chance to sign some good defenders, a holding midfielder and maybe a new striker, then we can judge him.

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And of which, many have been abysmal Johnson loan signings, I'm sorry, but all iof his loan signings so far have been no better, if not worse then the players Tinnion has bought in.

Also, he has gotten rid of 3 of our strikers, meaning all we have is the abysmal loan signing of Quinn, Brooker (injury prone this season) and the half hearted Stewart left.

Not the smartest of moves at this stage of the season in my eyes, I'm sorry, but at the moment, anyone supporting Johnson whole heartedly needs there heads examined.

[old spot]

Wether people were happy with his appointment is not the point. When he first came to the club he had us playing pretty good football with the players at his disposal. Since then however he has brought in a lot of loan signings, sent out a fair few and had a few fallings out with players. He has had a lot of time now to work with the players and get his ideas across but the evidence on the pitch is damming.

Before TINS was sacked there weren't any serious suggestions about relegation, but now it is obvious that is a fight we are in, and one we are losing badly at the moment. We look cast iron certainties for the drop!!

Hoping for a miraculous turnaround in january is not an excuse. With the players at his disposal and the loans he has available, he should be able to field a team that at least looks capable of getting the odd result, but honestly we look like we would be turned over by a pub team at the moment!!

What are his permanent signings going to be like. If we spend any money to get anyone half decent, it will have to be borrowed money that the club will have to pay back with interest, and with nothing to play for this season except survival, who will want to come here!! The crowds are dwindling and we are out of the cups so it would be madness for the directors to lend any more money as the club simply can't afford the repayments.

The supporters trust won't generate any serious money for some time, so unless there is someone out there prepared to actually invest some substancial amounts into the club then how will we get enough players in january, when prices will be inflated, to really make a difference to this squad!!

Christ, i've depressed myself even more now. I really hope i am wrong, because as the dark side have proved, there is no guarantee that if you slide into the basement league, you will bounce straight back out!!!

Come on GJ, prove that you can motivate what is here now, and get some points on the board sharpish!!!!!!

[Guest Eamer]

How does your 100% add up then? I didn't want him in.

[Mr Roper]

I am beginning to get my doubts about GJ mostly because of the loans in & out .Also he seems to have lost the players loyalty to him by slagging them off in the press.He does have a bit of a desperate look about him at times ,a bit like Tinman near the end.

I would also love to know what the spirit is like between the players themselves ,it does look lacking on the pitch.

[Guest Ronmeister]

I think it's about time some people got down on their knees and begged to mrdc

[Markman]

Errrr, make that 99.9%. I said on this forum I wasn't happy with his appointment.

That's not meant as a "told-you-so" as I sincerely hope to be proved wrong.

That was my vote as well - I want him to succeed but it is simply not true that 100% backed his appointment - more likley 100% want (wanted) him to be a success which is not the same thing.

[SimplyRed]

When Johnson came to this club, 100% and i mean 100% of fans on THIS FORUM voted that they were happy that he was made manager.

All those muppets saying they had doubts about his appointment are talking absolute rubbish.

What can Johnson do? He had the team set up brilliantly today, for the first 20 minutes we were brilliant. He cannot be solely to blame for this team collapsing defensively every game.

Our defence is AWFUL, and if he gets a chance to sign some good defenders, a holding midfielder and maybe a new striker, then we can judge him.

The players he has are the muppets that tinnion has signed (apart from wilkshire, brooker and scott brown who are good enough in my opinion)

I don't agree with all his loan signings but he is doing what he can.

This club has been in decline for one and a half years, it is not because of him. He needs time. If we are still in this state at the end of the season, then I am willing to accept some peoples criticism of his management.

Now you moaners can just try and start getting behind the team, fans were great today - lets sing like that from the first minute, and not just when we go 4-1 behind.

I'm sorry but your assumption is incorrect. I, for one, stated that Johnson was not my first choice as manager. And I do believe that there were others who were not phased by the hype and euphoria that surrounded his arrival.

Johnson's success with the legacy players and also his own loan signings has been seriously lacking. Is that the player's fault of the man in charge?

A manager is meant to select the team, determine the tactics or gameplan and motivate the players to go out and perform. It seems to me that he's not doing any of that at the moment and confidence of the players is at an all-time low.

Is that because the players don't want to play or because the players have no confidence in his or Millens approach?

I find it hard to believe that players do not want to play football, because they certainly don't like it when they're on the bench or not even in the squad.

You can only conclude then that the players are either too stupid to understand what Johnson wants from them or Johnson is not providing them with a gameplan that they find is easy to execute or within their own abilities.

[Guest Neo]

Actually, I scoffed and ridiculed this forum for the ridiculous "magic" tag.

But, I haven't slagged him off on here either, so totally irrelevant. However, if I choose to, I won't be a hypocrite. OK?

[redmeanie]

Well I was over the moon with his appointment - and still backing him. How can you doubt his ability after just 7 weeks? Look what he's achieved with Yeovil for christs sake.

To all the people that say they weren't happy with his appointment...

Remind me, who did you suggest as an alternative again?

[SimplyRed]

Well I was over the moon with his appointment - and still backing him. How can you doubt his ability after just 7 weeks? Look what he's achieved with Yeovil for christs sake.

To all the people that say they weren't happy with his appointment...

Remind me, who did you suggest as an alternative again?

Can you tell me what experience Johnson has had at this level?

...and I didn't say I was unhappy at his appointment, I said he wasn't my first choice.

I didn't actually specify a preference but if my arm was being twisted, I would have said Dave Bassett or someone similar. Someone who REALLY has 'been there, done that'.

[Irishred]

My big problem with Gary Johnson is that he is a mouth. Last year I took over as manager of an under 18 football team. We lost the first two games after I took over and looking at the team I thought they were pretty useless. However I didnt tell them what I was thinking and I constantly tried to build up their confidence and build on what they were good at. We won the league and we were only beaten again in the semifinal of the cup. Man management and confidence building are the first priorities in football management that is why so many people who never played at a top level often make the best managers.

I first had serious doubts about Johnson when he boasted that he threw the captains armband on the table and encouraged the players to wrestle for it because he didnt think any of them were worth it. My alarm bells are still ringing. A sackable offence in my opinion and certainly not a matter to boast about to the press.

[redmeanie]

Simply his way of shaking things up a bit and identifying the character in the squad and individuals. The beginning of a plan that will be praised when we start climbing out of this division under his management.

And SimplyRed, you say 'this level' as if he's out of his depth compared to successes in the conference and div 2. Div 1 isn't a superleague! I'm sure the same management skills apply.

[Guest jonny k]

When Johnson came to this club, 100% and i mean 100% of fans on THIS FORUM voted that they were happy that he was made manager.

All those muppets saying they had doubts about his appointment are talking absolute rubbish.

What can Johnson do? He had the team set up brilliantly today, for the first 20 minutes we were brilliant. He cannot be solely to blame for this team collapsing defensively every game.

Our defence is AWFUL, and if he gets a chance to sign some good defenders, a holding midfielder and maybe a new striker, then we can judge him.

The players he has are the muppets that tinnion has signed (apart from wilkshire, brooker and scott brown who are good enough in my opinion)

I don't agree with all his loan signings but he is doing what he can.

This club has been in decline for one and a half years, it is not because of him. He needs time. If we are still in this state at the end of the season, then I am willing to accept some peoples criticism of his management.

Now you moaners can just try and start getting behind the team, fans were great today - lets sing like that from the first minute, and not just when we go 4-1 behind.

Completely agree. The first 20 mins was fine - we looked good, battled hard and should of been 2 up. The big turning point was with Brooker going off which restricted our control of the ball in attack and we lost possession upfront all the time.

We now know as a squad we have not got the quality we need in depth which came to light again yesterday as it did at Swansea.

I am a bit disappointed in Gary loaning out players left right and centre leaving no back up, especially upfront - but also realise the HUGE task he has. He is trying to get it right andwe can really only judge him at the end of the season whereever we end up. For me 20th would be fine with the way things are at the moment.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions though - 'moaners' are only voicing their concerns which we all have but it's important we all get behind the team on matchdays as the majority did yesterday.

[Cider Army]

I'm 100% behind johnson,at the end of the day what can he do?

The squad he has is all he has,it starts with the previous manager in pre season getting a squad together that is strong enough to compete at least until january.

Its as simple as that the squad is weak there isnt a committed midfielder a leader thats worthy of a captains arm band.

I cant honestly see what johnson can do hes limited yes he can get loan signings but are they committed to getting the club out of trouble.

Lets get off his back johnson hasnt had chance to do anything lets judge him from the start of next season,give him chance to restructure the team which has been torn apart two or three times in the last two seasons,

Nows the time to back him and make sure we stay in this league!!!

Its hurting and we all are lets hope 3 points come are way very soon!

[SimplyRed]

Simply his way of shaking things up a bit and identifying the character in the squad and individuals. The beginning of a plan that will be praised when we start climbing out of this division under his management.

And SimplyRed, you say 'this level' as if he's out of his depth compared to successes in the conference and div 2. Div 1 isn't a superleague! I'm sure the same management skills apply.

No it's not, but it's a level higher than any club he's managed before (international football is NOT club football).

[redmeanie]

No it's not, but it's a level higher than any club he's managed before (international football is NOT club football).

Hmm, also a higher level than kenny jackett's ever managed before. can't accept your point.

[mozo]

Can you tell me what experience Johnson has had at this level?

...and I didn't say I was unhappy at his appointment, I said he wasn't my first choice.

I didn't actually specify a preference but if my arm was being twisted, I would have said Dave Bassett or someone similar. Someone who REALLY has 'been there, done that'.

Pulis had done well at this level, do you want him back? Wilson had success at a higher level as well as experience of the Premiership but he couldn't get us out of this division despite the four years he asked for.

Success in football's a complicated thing and there's no guarantee that Bassett or any other candidates would have come in and done any better.

[Guest Bristol Mick]

[SimplyRed]

Pulis had done well at this level, do you want him back? Wilson had success at a higher level as well as experience of the Premiership but he couldn't get us out of this division despite the four years he asked for.

Success in football's a complicated thing and there's no guarantee that Bassett or any other candidates would have come in and done any better.

Quite true, but I am not of those who keeps making excuses for Johnson by saying he is an experienced, successful manager...

As for Wilson, he had his chance, but I believe if we'd stuck with him we wouldn't be where we are now...

[mozo]

Quite true, but I am not of those who keeps making excuses for Johnson by saying he is an experienced, successful manager...

As for Wilson, he had his chance, but I believe if we'd stuck with him we wouldn't be where we are now...

I agree about Wilson, but nothing we can do about now.

The fact is that Johnson is highly rated and it's obvious to me why the board felt he had the right credentials. We've tried all different types of manager in the last ten years and none have got us where we want to be and kept us there.

Wilson needed four years to get us to challenging for promotion, Johnson will need equal patience. If we replaced him tomorrow, his successor would need the same.

[Portland Bill]

When Johnson came to this club, 100% and i mean 100% of fans on THIS FORUM voted that they were happy that he was made manager.

All those muppets saying they had doubts about his appointment are talking absolute rubbish.

Ummm excuse me , i wanted Martin Allen. Gary Johnson has a real problem sorting out a defence. Go and have a look at the amount of goals his Yeovil teams have conceded in the last 2/3 years. In this division you have to be tight at the back and he hasn't a clue how to do that.

I obviously hope he gets it right but I'm not holding me breath.