PhatWill Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 The decisions that have led to the demise of Bristol City FC:- Hastily disposing of John Ward.- Employing a coach (Benny) as a manager.- Not waiting for David Moyes to get back from his holiday and going ahead and appointing Pulis.- Appointing Fawthrop after it was him, Burnside and Leroy that had done a great job.- Selling Murray- Re-signing Murray.- Sacking club psychologist Brian Jones.- Sacking Wilson.- Appointing Tinnion.- Re-signing Carey.- Tinnion hanging up his boots.- Selling Anyinsah.- Putting ridiculous clause in Matt Hill's contract.- Selling Heffernan.- Selling Leroy.There must be plenty more.....?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazareth Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 How many times must people post that the club agreed to sell Fortune? It was the player that rejected the move, not the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pirate100 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 the demise of bristol c*ty has only just begun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazareth Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 The decisions that have led to the demise of Bristol City FC:- Hastily disposing of John Ward. Agreed. He was just starting to turn things around as well.- Employing a coach (Benny) as a manager. Benny's record before and after us suggest that given time, he might have done a job as a coach. However, he was certainly not the right man to motivate and organise a team for a relegation dogfight in a league he wasn't familiar with. History shows that foreign managers often struggle when in control of a team that is near the bottom of the table (Alain Perrin, Christian Gross, there are more but I can't recall right now etc)- Not waiting for David Moyes to get back from his holiday and going ahead and appointing Pulis. Oh yes. It makes me tearful to think of where we might be now...- Appointing Fawthrop after it was him, Burnside and Leroy that had done a great job. I'm not sure how 3 managers at once would have worked in the long run. Think back to Houllier and Evans in combination at Liverpool...- Not selling Fortune. See above.- Selling Murray We were rather held to ransom on this issue. He wanted more money and to play in a higher division. We wouldn't offer him the former, and couldn't offer the latter.- Re-signing Murray. In light of the above it seems insane to go back and offer him similar terms. Then again at the time it seemed like a great signing. Sadly it hasn't worked out, and it's very easy to say that it was a bad move in hindsight.- Sacking club psychologist Brian Jones. Agreed- Sacking Wilson. Disagree - it was the right decision at the time. But...- Appointing Tinnion. Bingo.- Re-signing Carey. He's just not been the same. Whether that's because he can't be bothered anymore, or if he's a worse player, or he's not being coached as well is another matter...- Tinnion hanging up his boots. It was a necessity of management, and also of his increasing years. You can't blame the board for Tinnion getting old.- Selling Anyinsah. Maybe, but I'm not convinced he was going to be good enough anyway.- Putting ridiculous clause in Matt Hill's contract. How do you know that Hill would have signed the contract without the clause? Personally I think it's a good thing that Hill did this - otherwise he would have left for free.- Selling Heffernan. At the time I thought this was a bad move, but given what he's done at Doncaster, I don't think we've lost out here. He is a useful player in the box but he's not quick enough or strong enough to lead the line for a promotion-challenging side (which is what we were planning on being when he left).- Selling Leroy. Did we REALLY have much choice in this one?There must be plenty more.....?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Codfather 0312 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 The decisions that have led to the demise of Bristol City FC:- Hastily disposing of John Ward.- Employing a coach (Benny) as a manager.- Not waiting for David Moyes to get back from his holiday and going ahead and appointing Pulis.- Appointing Fawthrop after it was him, Burnside and Leroy that had done a great job.- Selling Murray- Re-signing Murray.- Sacking club psychologist Brian Jones.- Sacking Wilson.- Appointing Tinnion.- Re-signing Carey.- Tinnion hanging up his boots.- Selling Anyinsah.- Putting ridiculous clause in Matt Hill's contract.- Selling Heffernan.- Selling Leroy.There must be plenty more.....?! I think alot of that can be down to the board, because at the end of the day they are the ones that write the checks and make the big decision by sacking and appointing managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 The common denominator in all those events is the current board. Lansdown and Dawe have overseen every single one of those events since 98/99 season. Surely that can't be a coincidence??!! Under Davidson's forward thinking leadership of the club, both players and fans, were united in getting to Division One with a the much heralded feel good factor surrounding the club. The difference between Davidson and Lansdown's leadership is simple... Davidson speculated to accumulate to get City to the top. Now we've got one of the top 50 richest men in football, according to 442 magazine, and he calls ambition selling our best assets for next to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 the demise of bristol c*ty has only just begun and exactly how did your boys get on last saturday?? and the previous saturday for that matter??? hardly tearing up any trees yourselves are you???some of whats wrong about this city and its underachieving football teams is that fact that even though they are both poor we both take solice in the fact that the other half (one third in the case of the rovers) are just as tommy tank as us. depressing. :@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTop Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 The decisions that have led to the demise of Bristol City FC:- Hastily disposing of John Ward. True, he went too soon and appeared to have started turning it around, but there are as many versions of why he went and who made the decision as there are people involved. All in all, he's one of my favourite managers and it's a shame he went,.- Employing a coach (Benny) as a manager. His record was good before he came and the fashion of the moment was to go for a foreign manager. But he was put in a difficult position. It was a brave decision at the time and, no, it didn't work in the end. Undeniable.- Not waiting for David Moyes to get back from his holiday and going ahead and appointing Pulis. Don't know whether it was that simple but, yes, it may have been a better appointment if it was a genuine option. Having said that, Pulis has a decent record elsewhere before and after. Not that I'd want him back. And, of course, there's no proof that Moyes would have done the business here. Yes, his track record sincesuggests he might, but as we all know that stands for bugger all when you become manager at Ashton Gate!- Appointing Fawthrop after it was him, Burnside and Leroy that had done a great job. I'm ambivalent on that one.- Selling Murray Not a 'decision' as such. The board's hand was forced by the player and his agent. - Re-signing Murray. Most of us were happy to see him return. Seemed a good idea at the time, so we can't really blame anyone for making that decision. If we hadn't, the board would currently be reading postings about how we should have re-signed Murray when we had the chance...- Sacking club psychologist Brian Jones. I was a big supporter of getting in a psychologist, but when we didn't go up we had to face financial reality, and which would you rather lose - a player or the club shrink? A pity we can't afford one, though.- Sacking Wilson. Nope, he'd had long enough and he had to go.- Appointing Tinnion. Yep, with hindsight the decision didn't improve things so it's hard to argue that it was the right one.- Re-signing Carey. All down to the player's attitude. We know he can do it. It's just he can't seem to be bothered. Blame the player and no-one else.- Tinnion hanging up his boots. His choice and inevitable sooner or later. If he'd delayed it where would it have got us, ultimately?- Selling Anyinsah. Anyinsah decided to go. Nothing the club could have done to stop him, so ultimately not a bad decision because it wasn't a decision at all.- Putting ridiculous clause in Matt Hill's contract. We're told that it was the only way we could have persuaded him to re-sign when he did. So I disagree. The guy played his heart out for us, he deserved a chance to move on and the club let him go when it had to. - Selling Heffernan. Yep, bad decision and I predicted at the time that it would come back to haunt us.- Selling Leroy. If I was chairman, knew what I knew now and someone offered me £1m in the summer would I still take it? Yes, because the only way you could justify turning it down would be to suggest he'd get us promotion instead, and not even Leroy could get us promotion in this team. So no, not a bad decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatWill Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 RedTop - you've slightly missed the point. The title of my post is 'In Hindsight' therefore I'm looking back and saying these were 'big' decisions that have led to our current plight.I haven't said any of them were necessary wrong decisions and I'm not blaming anyone for those decisions.Therefore, with hindsight do you still think it was the right decision to get rid of Wilson? To let Leroy go? Not to give the job to Moyes?In my opinion, CLEARLY not on all three decisions for example. We'd be in a much better position now if many of the decisions had gone the other way...How I would kill to have Tinnion's passion and direction in our side now, Anyinsah providing pacy wing play, no back-track signings Murray and Carey holding us back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTop Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 RedTop - you've slightly missed the point. The title of my post is 'In Hindsight' therefore I'm looking back and saying these were 'big' decisions that have led to our current plight.I haven't said any of them were necessary wrong decisions and I'm not blaming anyone for those decisions.Therefore, with hindsight do you still think it was the right decision to get rid of Wilson? To let Leroy go? Not to give the job to Moyes?In my opinion, CLEARLY not on all three decisions for example. We'd be in a much better position now if many of the decisions had gone the other way...How I would kill to have Tinnion's passion and direction in our side now, Anyinsah providing pacy wing play, no back-track signings Murray and Carey holding us back...My apologies...In hindsight, then:1. Yes, it was the right decision to get rid of Danny Wilson. He'd had long enough and spent enough money. It was time he moved over. There's no reason to think he would have got us promoted if he had stayed, and even though things are taking a while to sort out, if GJ turns out to be the man who can get this club back in shape then it would never have happened unless we'd got rid of DW. It's the old old adage about having to take a step backwards (or four) to go forwards.2. As stated above, it was the right decision to let Leroy go. I made clear my reasoning: "If I was chairman, knew what I knew now and someone offered me £1m in the summer would I still take it? Yes, because the only way you could justify turning it down would be to suggest he'd get us promotion instead, and not even Leroy could get us promotion in this team. So no, not a bad decision."3. Assuming Moyes was available, then yes it was the wrong decision in hindsight not to give Moyes the job.I too would kill for Tinman's passion and direction in our side, but his decision to hang up his boots and make a go of management was his own. Maybe he made a bad decision, but who knows how long he'd have been able to cut it in our division as a player? I don't blame him for wanting to have a go at management.As for Anyinsah, well as I said, that wasn't a decision. We had no choice because of the contract situation, so off he went. In retrospect, though, I agree that both Carey and Murray returns have not worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTauntonian Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Selling Anyinsa? Think you'll find that he left when he was out of contract! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petelekg Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 I remember going to Newport County thinking it was the last game city would play and in the old 4 div lost away to Northampton 7-1 they was the lowest point i can rembemberwe came back football always go in cycles stop moaning and start supporting STOP looking Back Look Forward get behind the team unless you have the money to change things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB. Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 The decisions that have led to the demise of Bristol City FC:- Hastily disposing of John Ward.- Employing a coach (Benny) as a manager.- Not waiting for David Moyes to get back from his holiday and going ahead and appointing Pulis.- Appointing Fawthrop after it was him, Burnside and Leroy that had done a great job.- Selling Murray- Re-signing Murray.- Sacking club psychologist Brian Jones.- Sacking Wilson.- Appointing Tinnion.- Re-signing Carey.- Tinnion hanging up his boots.- Selling Anyinsah.- Putting ridiculous clause in Matt Hill's contract.- Selling Heffernan.- Selling Leroy.There must be plenty more.....?!You forgot one! What about that terrible formation in the 1909 F.A Cup Final against Man Utd? And why did we sell *insert name* to *insert club* in 1923??? What might have been! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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