next_year_I_hope Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 i am getting right fed up with all the players going on undisclosed how about the club actually letter supporters who have followed the club no how much/little the players are going for
Guest OmegaSnake Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 i am getting right fed up with all the players going on undisclosed how about the club actually letter supporters who have followed the club no how much/little the players are going forwhy is it any of our buisness? sure its nice to know how much we're spending on a player and how much there worth, but its still none of our buisness.
RedTop Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 i am getting right fed up with all the players going on undisclosed how about the club actually letter supporters who have followed the club no how much/little the players are going forIf it's in the club's best interest not to disclose the fee - for fear of other clubs knowing we have money to spend and inflating their asking prices - then that's what should happen.It's nice to know what has been spent, but it doesn't always outweigh other factors.
Guest st_jude_here Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 why is it any of our buisness? sure its nice to know how much we're spending on a player and how much there worth, but its still none of our buisness.How do you work that one out? May I remind you that SL is still a custodian of this club and surely informing the loyal Paying fans about decisions he is making about the future is of paramount importance! Who specifically pays the wages at this club???
RedTop Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 How do you work that one out? May I remind you that SL is still a custodian of this club and surely informing the loyal Paying fans about decisions he is making about the future is of paramount importance! Who specifically pays the wages at this club???Specifically? The shareholders, I guess.Informing the loyal paying fans about decisions is not of paramount importance. It is of importance, I agree, but it can and must be superceded by the interests of the club. Telling us loyal fans how much money we've been given for players, thus informing other clubs how much we may have to spend on their players in the transfer market, is like showing your rivals in a game of poker one of your cards. It puts them at an advantage and therefore does not help the club secure the services of players at the best price. Thus, it stands to reason that it is not in the interests of us, the supporters, however nosey we might be.So while I agree it is important to keep fans informed, this should only happen if this does not affect the wider interests of the club.In short, stop moaning!
Guest st_jude_here Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 Specifically? The shareholders, I guess.Informing the loyal paying fans about decisions is not of paramount importance. It is of importance, I agree, but it can and must be superceded by the interests of the club. Telling us loyal fans how much money we've been given for players, thus informing other clubs how much we may have to spend on their players in the transfer market, is like showing your rivals in a game of poker one of your cards. It puts them at an advantage and therefore does not help the club secure the services of players at the best price. Thus, it stands to reason that it is not in the interests of us, the supporters, however nosey we might be.So while I agree it is important to keep fans informed, this should only happen if this does not affect the wider interests of the club.In short, stop moaning!So you're saying the shareholders are paying the wages - so where is the money from gate receipts and season ticket holders then? Are you saying that all the money in the club is provided by the shareholders only? The poker analogy seems to fit in with SL's handling of the recent transfer activity ie. bluff bluff and more bluff. You see the undisclosed fee agreed for Scott Goldbourne (according to my sources 160k plus add-ons) was well below what SL stated "anything less than 200k" etc. would be acceptable, it makes me want to know what the hell he is doing with clubs money! Again he is a CUSTODIAN of the club and there are some of us who think he is and has not been looking after the interests of the club.This smacks of 'cover up and tell the fans nothing' because they are not worthy and couldn't possibly understand the running of a football club.And as for 'securing the services of players at the best price' under its current stewardship the club will find it hard to secure any decent players unless they are desperate and that comes from a player almost signed recently!Stop moaning - don't get me started!
old spot Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 I would have thought any person at other clubs that are responsible for dealing with transfers, would have a prestty good idea of the state of finances at clubs they are dealing with!! The football world is not that big!!Even i know that we are massively in debt and even if we were to sell our whole squad for the best possible money we would still be in debt!!Whatever money we have got for fringe players like Gillespie will never make any significant difference to what we are able to spend. That is down to wether the directors want to repay any of the loans, or continue to put the future of the club in jeapordy!!Also, what is often quoted as the "fee" is not always what is actualy paid. Look at the Walcott deal at arsenal, £12 million is often bandied about, but i have also heard that it is really £5 million now with the rest in add ons that may or may not happen. The people in the know in football will know exactly what is being paid and when!!
SE23Red Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 Most transfer fees are undisclosed these days - It's not just City doing this.See today's transfers as an example:http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/g...ers/4573712.stm
BCAGFC Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 Why the UNDISCLOSED SELL ON FEE for Gillespie?.WTF is that all about?. It is getting ridiculous.BCAGFC
SE23Red Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 Why the UNDISCLOSED SELL ON FEE for Gillespie?.WTF is that all about?. It is getting ridiculous.BCAGFCThen just ignore the word undisclosed! I can't remember any sell on fee being disclosed, other than that Leroy's was 'significant'.
Guest leepeacock's50phead Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 Then just ignore the word undisclosed! I can't remember any sell on fee being disclosed, other than that Leroy's was 'significant'.surely this information regarding undisclosed fees should come out in the end of year accounts at least?i find it quite annoying too!
BCAGFC Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 I can understand the arguement regarding not disclosing the actual fees but what difference does it make not to disclose the sell on fee, it is just petty IMO whoever wanted it not disclosed.BCAGFC
Guest AndrewTN Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 Maybe it's undisclosed so it doesn't give other teams a clue as to how much dosh we got when we go shopping?Clearly the fee received for a player such as Gilly will be nominal anyway. He's not exactly worth millions. We could all probably guess pretty close to what we are actually getting so it's not going to make a huge difference to the bank balance so why the big fuss?
Guest i remember dickie rooks Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 I totally agree about the undisclosed fees, players contracts, SL forum etc.I went into MacDonalds last weekend and bought a Big Mac. However, when I tried to phone MacDonald's Chairman to ask him how much profit they made on my Big Mac, what the wages of the managers were, and what were their strategic plans for the future, I couldn't get through. Why don't they have a website to discuss these things openly? I bought my sandwich, that makes me a paying customer and I consider it my right to know this.And don't start me on why they refused to discuss opening up the Eastern end of the restaurant that was closed for cleaning. I used to stand in that part of the restaurant when I was a boy, but now I have to sit elsewhere. I will not rest until the Chairman grants me a personal meeting to listen to my views and then agrees with me.
megansdad Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 I remember him too that thin blond whisp a la Bobby Charlton (I think) - excellent post sums it up really and made me laugh at the same time- hope RedM reads it bas he needs cheering up!!!!!!!!!!!!and neithe Gazareth's animal pictures or Dr F's advances seem to have succeeded!
Redtilldead Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 I totally agree about the undisclosed fees, players contracts, SL forum etc.I went into MacDonalds last weekend and bought a Big Mac. However, when I tried to phone MacDonald's Chairman to ask him how much profit they made on my Big Mac, what the wages of the managers were, and what were their strategic plans for the future, I couldn't get through. Why don't they have a website to discuss these things openly? I bought my sandwich, that makes me a paying customer and I consider it my right to know this.And don't start me on why they refused to discuss opening up the Eastern end of the restaurant that was closed for cleaning. I used to stand in that part of the restaurant when I was a boy, but now I have to sit elsewhere. I will not rest until the Chairman grants me a personal meeting to listen to my views and then agrees with me. So basically using your theory, the supporters of this Club should not be allowed to have any input, or need to know anything that is going on inside our Club??
Guest i remember dickie rooks Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 So basically using your theory, the supporters of this Club should not be allowed to have any input, or need to know anything that is going on inside our Club??I admit that my post was tongue in cheek, and I know football clubs are different.I am not saying that we should not have an input, I just think that a difficult job is made more difficult if the board have to continually explain and justify every commercial decision.
Guest st_jude_here Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 I admit that my post was tongue in cheek, and I know football clubs are different.I am not saying that we should not have an input, I just think that a difficult job is made more difficult if the board have to continually explain and justify every commercial decision.I think they should have to explain and justify every commercial decision, especially when it comes down to the sale and purchase of the clubs players, they are, after all, a major contributary factor in the success or lack of with regards the club.Having witnessed the debacle of Rosenior's departure and the sale of Golbourne and Ayinsah for fees well below value we should question every decision the club makes regarding signings and sales - I am sick of our talent being sold to play in teams we should and could be competing against, if we didn't sell them.
Guest Ron Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 How do you work that one out? May I remind you that SL is still a custodian of this club and surely informing the loyal Paying fans about decisions he is making about the future is of paramount importance! ********, while informing the loyal paying fans he is also informing the opposition. Yes, great idea
Guest st_jude_here Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 ********, while informing the loyal paying fans he is also informing the opposition. Yes, great idea Informing the opposition how much we paid for a player? As in already signed! What will they do with this information the deal has already taken place - it's when we are SELLING players far below what they are worth and hiding it from the fans until the end of the year - SL didn't hide the Lita Million from the fans although it would be nice to know who he bought for the money hahaha. We will eventually find out what they went for - but if we don't know for a little while we'll forget because we're stupid football fans. I don't think any of the players sold were anything to alert other clubs we got money - do you?Just makes some of us think SL is hiding something!!
Guest Ron Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 Informing the opposition how much we paid for a player? As in already signed! What will they do with this information the deal has already taken place - it's when we are SELLING players far below what they are worth and hiding it from the fans until the end of the year - SL didn't hide the Lita Million from the fans although it would be nice to know who he bought for the money hahaha. We will eventually find out what they went for - but if we don't know for a little while we'll forget because we're stupid football fans. I don't think any of the players sold were anything to alert other clubs we got money - do you?Just makes some of us think SL is hiding something!! Because if we state how much we are prepared to pay for a player this will dictate transfer bids involving clubs that have picked up on this....
Guest st_jude_here Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 Because if we state how much we are prepared to pay for a player this will dictate transfer bids involving clubs that have picked up on this....Not what we are prepared to pay for a player, why would we? - It's how much we pay or sell for after it has happened! Why then keep it undisclosed?
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