Guest DrFaustus Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Can someone please explain the rationale behind limiting membership to a supporters club and furthermore, why new members have to be sponsored? It sounds like a masonic golf club to me, not an organistaion trying to give support, funding and free time to the club.Just asking questions out of genunine interest and bemusement rather than malice or with any intend to stir things up, before anyone gets their boxers tangled.
Admin Maesknoll Posted February 3, 2006 Admin Posted February 3, 2006 One of the reasons is that they only have a small club room and thus cannot cater for the masses who need to take liquor, to get through a game. It must be a bugger to be teetotal and have to watch our lot sober......................
Guest DrFaustus Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 It must be a bugger to be teetotal and have to watch our lot sober......................Not a problem to concern me or those I watch Rovers with
Guest sprout1883 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 One of the reasons is that they only have a small club room and thus cannot cater for the masses who need to take liquor, to get through a game. It must be a bugger to be teetotal and have to watch our lot sober......................Surely that is something they should approach the football club about, to get a bigger area that they can open up and actively encourage people to join and take part.This is probably where your trust will take off, and make the impact of the Supporters club to an extent redundantAt the Gas we have something like 3500 members off the top of my head
Guest DrFaustus Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 At the Gas we have something like 3500 members off the top of my headHow do they all balance? You must have mighty strong neck muscles.
Sirben Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 At the Gas we have something like 3500 members off the top of my headBlimey you must have a good memory if you can remember all those people!!
Admin Maesknoll Posted February 3, 2006 Admin Posted February 3, 2006 Surely that is something they should approach the football club about, to get a bigger area that they can open up and actively encourage people to join and take part.This is probably where your trust will take off, and make the impact of the Supporters club to an extent redundantAt the Gas we have something like 3500 members off the top of my head I wonder if they want to?AFAIK they always have a full bar before every home game and I guess were quite content to leave things as they are. I have been a regular at the Gate since the sixties and have never been approached about joining - I did ask once, but there were stipulations about using the bar ( it was 10 or 15 years ago) and as you couldn't be guaranteed entry to the clubroom/bar on matchdays I never pursued the matter.
RedTop Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Surely that is something they should approach the football club about, to get a bigger area that they can open up and actively encourage people to join and take part.Although I'm not a member, I believe they are one step ahead of you on this.
Guest sprout1883 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Although I'm not a member, I believe they are one step ahead of you on this.Why would that because of the launch of the trust and they feel 'threatened' or do they really want more members?(Not trying to start an argument)
Guest Dan C Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Surely that is something they should approach the football club about, to get a bigger area that they can open up and actively encourage people to join and take part.This is probably where your trust will take off, and make the impact of the Supporters club to an extent redundantAt the Gas we have something like 3500 members off the top of my head I've heard somewhere that they have been offered the Red and white bar from next season.
Admin Phantom Posted February 3, 2006 Admin Posted February 3, 2006 I've heard somewhere that they have been offered the Red and white bar from next season.I may be wrong but do the supporters club have to move as their current area is being used for this new executive club that is being formed.I think that may be why the supporters cub are moving?
Sirben Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 They are going in the new executive suite thats opening in the new stand they started building at the start of the season
StapleHillPhil Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 I may be wrong but do the supporters club have to move as their current area is being used for this new executive club that is being formed.I think that may be why the supporters cub are moving? Thats how I understand it to be. I've also read that the SC have been given the R&W on an initial two year basis so long as they show themselves capable of bringing in X amount of income to City.I've no idea how accurate this rumour is and I would be delighted if Robbored or Richie would bring us up to date with what the SC is planning. I have asked twice on the other SC thread but they've obviously missed them .
Robbored Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Its in my capacity as Supporters Club Chairman that I write this reply....If any City fan wants to join the SC then they are welcome to apply.Its straighforward enough and you don't need to have a sponsor.Obviously if you know someone who is a member then it would be common sense to ask them to support your application but if you don't know any members then you can write your own letter out lining why you want to join,how long you've been a City fan ect...All applications go before the committee on a monthly basis for approval.We have to follow procedures largely because we are a members club but also at the request of the football club.That said membership applications will be changing from next season.Its true that the Supporters Club will be moving to the Red and White bar in the Dolman Hall on matchdays next season after its refurbishment.The reasons are that this gives the SC the opportunity to expand its membership and it also allows the fooball club to make better more lucrative use of the our current club room which is essentially too small for our purposes.As far as I am aware there is no time limit nor conditions about income ect regarding the Supporters Club use of Dolman Hall.
Guest Dan C Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Its in my capacity as Supporters Club Chairman that I write this reply....If any City fan wants to join the SC then they are welcome to apply.Its straighforward enough and you don't need to have a sponsor.Obviously if you know someone who is a member then it would be common sense to ask them to support your application but if you don't know any members then you can write your own letter out lining why you want to join,how long you've been a City fan ect...All applications go before the committee on a monthly basis for approval.We have to follow procedures largely because we are a members club but also at the request of the football club.That said membership applications will be changing from next season.Its true that the Supporters Club will be moving to the Red and White bar in the Dolman Hall on matchdays next season after its refurbishment.The reasons are that this gives the SC the opportunity to expand its membership and it also allows the fooball club to make better more lucrative use of the our current club room which is essentially too small for our purposes.As far as I am aware there is no time limit nor conditions about income ect regarding the Supporters Club use of Dolman Hall. So if I want to go in the R&W next season I have to beg some old gits club to get in there.
Robbored Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 So if I want to go in the R&W next season I have to beg some old gits club to get in there. The SC is not an "old gits club".We have many members under 16 so you'd be amongst your own age group should you decide to apply - although you must be accompanied by an adult.
Guest sprout1883 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Why do you have to apply to be a member of the supporters club. Seems a bit masonic and clique to me.Obviously different teams have different set-ups but at the Gas you pay £5 and you are a member, get all the benefits, priority groups for tickets, coach service etc. and get to vote at the agms etc.
Robbored Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Why do you have to apply to be a member of the supporters club. Seems a bit masonic and clique to me.Obviously different teams have different set-ups but at the Gas you pay £5 and you are a member, get all the benefits, priority groups for tickets, coach service etc. and get to vote at the agms etc. As I said in my earlier post there are reasons why the application to the SC is currenty set up in the way it is - however there will be changes made to the application procedure in view of the new devlopments next season.As yet these details have to be finalised which is why I can't outline them at this moment in time.
Guest Dan C Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 The SC is not an "old gits club".We have many members under 16 so you'd be amongst your own age group should you decide to apply - although you must be accompanied by an adult. So me being a adult does not count then? That post from you summed up the SC really.
Robbored Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 So me being a adult does not count then? That post from you summed up the SC really. My apologese - I wrongly assumed from your earlier comment that you must be a juvenile.
richwwtk Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Isn't Dan C actually the person previously known as Codfather? Or have I got things horribly wrong?
Guest mike11 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 My apologese - I wrongly assumed from your earlier comment that you must be a juvenile.Touche'
Guest DrFaustus Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Its in my capacity as Supporters Club Chairman that I write this reply....If any City fan wants to join the SC then they are welcome to apply.Its straighforward enough and you don't need to have a sponsor.Obviously if you know someone who is a member then it would be common sense to ask them to support your application but if you don't know any members then you can write your own letter out lining why you want to join,how long you've been a City fan ect...All applications go before the committee on a monthly basis for approval.We have to follow procedures largely because we are a members club but also at the request of the football club.That said membership applications will be changing from next season.Its true that the Supporters Club will be moving to the Red and White bar in the Dolman Hall on matchdays next season after its refurbishment.The reasons are that this gives the SC the opportunity to expand its membership and it also allows the fooball club to make better more lucrative use of the our current club room which is essentially too small for our purposes.As far as I am aware there is no time limit nor conditions about income ect regarding the Supporters Club use of Dolman Hall.Robbo, thank you for your limited reply.Please tell me why yours SC is not open to all supporters of BCFC. I find it staggering that a closed shop exists in a situation where 'the more the merrier' would seem to be more appropriate!
RedTop Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Robbo, thank you for your limited reply.Please tell me why yours SC is not open to all supporters of BCFC. I find it staggering that a closed shop exists in a situation where 'the more the merrier' would seem to be more appropriate!Perhaps more pertinently, it would be nice to know what reasons short of convictions for football violence are considered suitable for a candidate to be rejected. I must admit I had no idea one had to submit a letter explaining why you should be let in, or be recommended as if it were a golf club. I know plenty of clubs where members are not expected to submit to such things.Surely, for example, simply being a season ticket holder should be enough to guarantee admittance? After all, you wouldn't be allowed to have a season ticket if you were banned from the ground, and the ticket itself is evidence that the holder is a Bristol City fan - surely the only two preconditions for being a member of the Bristol City Supporters' Club.Does it also mean that only BCSC members will be allowed in the Red and White Bar and that as a Dolman season ticket holder I will no longer be able to take my daughter in there before games because I am not a member and, even if I were to join, my daughter would not be?
Guest DrFaustus Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Perhaps more pertinently, it would be nice to know what reasons short of convictions for football violence are considered suitable for a candidate to be rejected. I must admit I had no idea one had to submit a letter explaining why you should be let in, or be recommended as if it were a golf club. I know plenty of clubs where members are not expected to submit to such things.Surely, for example, simply being a season ticket holder should be enough to guarantee admittance? After all, you wouldn't be allowed to have a season ticket if you were banned from the ground, and the ticket itself is evidence that the holder is a Bristol City fan - surely the only two preconditions for being a member of the Bristol City Supporters' Club.Does it also mean that only BCSC members will be allowed in the Red and White Bar and that as a Dolman season ticket holder I will no longer be able to take my daughter in there before games because I am not a member and, even if I were to join, my daughter would not be?You see Brian...you can talk sense occasionally!
Robbored Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Robbo, thank you for your limited reply.Please tell me why yours SC is not open to all supporters of BCFC. I find it staggering that a closed shop exists in a situation where 'the more the merrier' would seem to be more appropriate! The Supporters Club is open to all Bristol City supporters.The problem is that untill now we have had only a very retricted clubroom (max 200).Therefore we have been unable to advertise or attract fans due to the limited capacity of our club room.With the move to the Dolman Hall we will be ble to expand considerably from the end of this season.
Robbored Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Perhaps more pertinently, it would be nice to know what reasons short of convictions for football violence are considered suitable for a candidate to be rejected. I must admit I had no idea one had to submit a letter explaining why you should be let in, or be recommended as if it were a golf club. I know plenty of clubs where members are not expected to submit to such things.This is so because we are historically a private members club and certain rules and regulations apply to such clubs and also because the football club wish us to "veto" all applications - for obvious reasons.Surely, for example, simply being a season ticket holder should be enough to guarantee admittance? After all, you wouldn't be allowed to have a season ticket if you were banned from the ground, and the ticket itself is evidence that the holder is a Bristol City fan - surely the only two preconditions for being a member of the Bristol City Supporters' Club.From next season this will be soDoes it also mean that only BCSC members will be allowed in the Red and White Bar and that as a Dolman season ticket holder I will no longer be able to take my daughter in there before games because I am not a member and, even if I were to join, my daughter would not be? The answer to your first point is no, you would not be allowed into the Dolman Hall unless you join the SC.If however you do join and subscribe your daughter as well then its no problem. Before you ask - the cost of joining the SC next season will be approx 65p per game per adult.There will be conscesions for OAP and under 16's. In other words around £15 per season per adult. Joining the Sc will be optional but membership will be offered to all ST holders.
Admin Ian M Posted February 4, 2006 Admin Posted February 4, 2006 Why is membership offered only to season ticket holders ?I took it by that comment it was meant that there will be an option on the Season Ticket application form to join the SC at the same time as buying your Season Ticket but that non-STHs are also welcome to apply separately.
Admin Phantom Posted February 4, 2006 Admin Posted February 4, 2006 Sorry to be thivk (again(,But what is your understanding as to what will happen with the people that go into the Red & White bar before games now ?Or are the SC going to use the smaller room (the original one that was used for ST holders), leaving the normal people in the bigger room ?
StapleHillPhil Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Sorry to be thivk (again(,But what is your understanding as to what will happen with the people that go into the Red & White bar before games now ?Or are the SC going to use the smaller room (the original one that was used for ST holders), leaving the normal people in the bigger room ? I get the impression that unless you pay £15 to join the SC, you won't be enjoying an overpriced pint from a plastic glass in the R&W next season.Maybe some entrepreneur will see this as an opportunity to reopen The Wedlocks.
Dolman Block B Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 So if I want to go in the R&W next season I have to beg some old gits club to get in there.I'm a member of the existing supporters club and can assure all that its a mix of young, middle and old age members. All are a nice bunch who create a good atmosphere before and after the game, and only hope that when we move , will be allowed to keep our own identityin the new place, and even more, keep the beer prices as they are now. (but i got a bad feeling about that one)
screech Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 It would be interesting to know what percentage of members of the current SC got in through knowing someone already in it.
Dolman Block B Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 It would be interesting to know what percentage of members of the current SC got in through knowing someone already in it.Most Sceech
deadratinmycider Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Most SceechSo you are a clique then?
Guest twaters Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I'm getting confused. the terms SC and ST, Supporters Club and Supporters trust, are they the same group???Whats the difference?
deadratinmycider Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I'm getting confused. the terms SC and ST, Supporters Club and Supporters trust, are they the same group???Whats the difference?Ask SL
RedUn Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 SC Head Honcho: This is so because we are historically a private members club and certain rules and regulations apply to such clubs and also because the football club wish us to "veto" all applications - for obvious reasons.I hope you meant "vet" ... or was that a Freudian slip?SC Head Honcho:The answer to your first point is no, you would not be allowed into the Dolman Hall unless you join the SC.Surely the answer to that question is "Yes" ... I'm getting confused here ... will there be a "Dolman Hall" and a "R&W Bar" in future or will they be the same thing?It seems to me that the upshot of all this will be just the same old SC but with a larger membership constrained by the fire limit on their expanded premises. Won't that favour people who pay £15pa for SC membership and cherry-pick their attendance at big games at the expense of those who've made the commitment to buy a ST?
tompo Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 SC=Supporters clubST=Season ticketST=Errm, Supporters Trust.I think ST in most posts on this thread are referring to Season Ticket holders having access to the Red and White Bar.
Guest twaters Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Is the Supporters Trust and the Supporters Club different organisations? Or is the Supporters club a section of the Supporters Trust?WHATS GOIN ON! and i said haaaaaay yaaaaay yaaaay yay, haaaay yaay yay, i said hey, Whats going on! ( i love the four non blondes!)
Robbored Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 The Supporters Trust and the Supporters Club are different organisations but work closely together.
RedUn Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 The Supporters Trust and the Supporters Club are different organisations but work closely together.... will there be a "Dolman Hall" and a "R&W Bar" in future or will they be the same thing?It seems to me that the upshot of all this will be just the same old SC but with a larger membership constrained by the fire limit on their expanded premises. Won't that favour people who pay £15pa for SC membership and cherry-pick their attendance at big games at the expense of those who've made the commitment to buy a ST?
Guest Dan C Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 The Supporters Trust and the Supporters Club are different organisations but work closely together. So if they work closly together would it not make sense that ext season to gain entry to the R&W you have to be a member of the SC or the ST.
Nibor Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 So if they work closly together would it not make sense that ext season to gain entry to the R&W you have to be a member of the SC or the ST.Since the number of season ticket holders dwarfs the combined membership of both I would beg to differ. Nibor
BB. Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 What is the Supporters Club? Is it the same sort of thing as the Supporters Trust?Is the Supporters Club just a social thing or like the Supporters Trust? In terms of having aims etc..? If you get me??Basically, what is the Supporters Club?
Guest Dan C Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Since the number of season ticket holders dwarfs the combined membership of both I would beg to differ. Nibor What I ment was to be able to gain entry you have to either be a member of the Sc or St, As there don't seem to be any plans to let in people who hold season tickets at present, Only members of the Sc.
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