Moaners

[rumbellow]

Unbeaten in 14 games, Only 3 defeats in 28 games, 2 points off the top, A teamspirit that has rarely been seen since the heady days of 1976.

Re-Johnson:-

Can't understand his substitutions, His signings are crap, Why does he play Jeavons or his son, Basso is a clown and then question is asked "does he actually like us", Well I doubt it very much.

To answer one criticism look at some of the signings pre-Johnson and ask yourself how many of them went on to bigger and better things, Lever (the worst player I have ever seen in a City shirt), Miller, Heffernone, Goodfellow, Dinning, Gillespie, Just to mention a few.

Wilson had 4 years (a lot of money, Huge wages) and took us nowhere (Johnson has had a year (and little money) so far) and some of the criticism on here is unbelievable, What do some of you people want?, Amongst others who did'nt go on to bigger and better things are Danny Bloody Wilson, But, There are still people on here who defend his record and put the boot into Johnson at every opportunity.

Even away fans are picking up on it, Mentioning the atmosphere and moaning.

[robins72]

Unbeaten in 14 games, Only 3 defeats in 28 games, 2 points off the top, A teamspirit that has rarely been seen since the heady days of 1976.

Re-Johnson:-

Can't understand his substitutions, His signings are crap, Why does he play Jeavons or his son, Basso is a clown and then question is asked "does he actually like us", Well I doubt it very much.

To answer one criticism look at some of the signings pre-Johnson and ask yourself how many of them went on to bigger and better things, Lever (the worst player I have ever seen in a City shirt), Miller, Heffernone, Goodfellow, Dinning, Gillespie, Just to mention a few.

Wilson had 4 years (a lot of money, Huge wages) and took us nowhere (Johnson has had a year (and little money) so far) and some of the criticism on here is unbelievable, What do some of you people want?, Amongst others who did'nt go on to bigger and better things are Danny Bloody Wilson, But, There are still people on here who defend his record and put the boot into Johnson at every opportunity.

Even away fans are picking up on it, Mentioning the atmosphere and moaning.

Exactly agree with all that but I guess most city fans are fed up with being let down season after season and league 1 football isnt appetising enough for them. However like you have stated we havent lost since Yeovil and have a fantastic chance of getting through to the 4th round of the Fa cup Jpt final and promotion. All good stuff. Always believe always believe

[rumbellow]

Exactly agree with all that but I guess most city fans are fed up with being let down season after season and league 1 football isnt appetising enough for them. However like you have stated we havent lost since Yeovil and have a fantastic chance of getting through to the 4th round of the Fa cup Jpt final and promotion. All good stuff. Always believe always believe

Thank you, But, My point is that Johnson has only been in charge for ONE of these bleak years.

[robins72]

Thank you, But, My point is that Johnson has only been in charge for ONE of these bleak years.

True so we have been the underachievers for about 27 years then? Maybe football in Bristol is improving a little this season for both city and rovers?

[Dorset_Cider]

True so we have been the underachievers for about 27 years then? Maybe football in Bristol is improving a little this season for both city and rovers?

Well, I hope it is for Bristol City FC anyway

[Tales From The Front]

Thank you, But, My point is that Johnson has only been in charge for ONE of these bleak years.

Answer me why then, that Liverpool fans moan that they havn't won a league title for 17 years and were fuming this week with Raffa The Gaffer. He hasn't been there for that long and has won the Champions League!!! If they honeslty think that that is not acceptable, then several thousand West Country folk, who would like some success for their club, relativily speaking is not to big an ask.

It never ceases to amase me what a section of Bristol City fans (aided and abetted by the local media) will put up with, and then blame the "moaning" fans as a cheap get out clause for years of under achievement. That is the reason fo the stay away fans. Price of tickets is a factor but only when the individual asseses the level of the team City are playing.

[rumbellow]

Answer me why then, that Liverpool fans moan that they havn't won a league title for 17 years and were fuming this week with Raffa The Gaffer. He hasn't been there for that long and has won the Champions League!!! If they honeslty think that that is not acceptable, then several thousand West Country folk, who would like some success for their club, relativily speaking is not to big an ask.

It never ceases to amase me what a section of Bristol City fans (aided and abetted by the local media) will put up with, and then blame the "moaning" fans as a cheap get out clause for years of under achievement. That is the reason fo the stay away fans. Price of tickets is a factor but only when the individual asseses the level of the team City are playing.

You've answered you're own question, Johnson has been here a year and has had no money to speak of.

[Tales From The Front]

You've answered you're own question, Johnson has been here a year and has had no money to speak of.

And you answered yours, as neither have the other 23 managers. But he has a wages budget the envy of all bar one or two.

I am not having a go a Johnson, believe me. But I am a little tired of the self righteous on here, that moan as much as the so called moaners. The point I am making is that the higher you progress up the football ladder the more demanding are the expectations of the football club's fans.

Gary Johnson, unless he is a Radio 4 listner and lived in the middle of Bodmin Moor, whilst he was at Yeovil, knew full well what the level of expectation was at Bristol City. He is a highly paid professional, who I happen to think has a chance of delivering what is expected. But several performances of late have been below what is required if he is to fulfill, what he himself proclaimed when taking the job.

Wanting success for your club is not a crime!

[Dolman Block B]

And you answered yours, as neither have the other 23 managers. But he has a wages budget the envy of all bar one or two.

I am not having a go a Johnson, believe me. But I am a little tired of the self righteous on here, that moan as much as the so called moaners. The point I am making is that the higher you progress up the football ladder the more demanding are the expectations of the football club's fans.

Gary Johnson, unless he is a Radio 4 listner and lived in the middle of Bodmin Moor, whilst he was at Yeovil, knew full well what the level of expectation was at Bristol City. He is a highly paid professional, who I happen to think has a chance of delivering what is expected. But several performances of late have been below what is required if he is to fulfill, what he himself proclaimed when taking the job.

Wanting success for your club is not a crime!

Bloody good post mate

[Nibor]

And you answered yours, as neither have the other 23 managers. But he has a wages budget the envy of all bar one or two.

I am not having a go a Johnson, believe me. But I am a little tired of the self righteous on here, that moan as much as the so called moaners. The point I am making is that the higher you progress up the football ladder the more demanding are the expectations of the football club's fans.

Gary Johnson, unless he is a Radio 4 listner and lived in the middle of Bodmin Moor, whilst he was at Yeovil, knew full well what the level of expectation was at Bristol City. He is a highly paid professional, who I happen to think has a chance of delivering what is expected. But several performances of late have been below what is required if he is to fulfill, what he himself proclaimed when taking the job.

Wanting success for your club is not a crime!

Spot on.

[rumbellow]

"The higher you progress up the football ladder, The more demanding are the expectations of the football clubs fans".

How high up the ladder do you consider us?, Yes the wage budget is tasty for a club in this division, But signing players with the right attitude is very important, Something sadly lacking in the past (which is now being addressed), Also I agree about the singular expectations of BCFC fans (which I am sure as you are that GJ is aware of).

I really find it hard to stomach comments I read yesterday, "even if GJ gets us promoted, I don't think he is the man to keep us there". My god if the Brian 'The Legend' Tinnion had gotten us to a similar position this time last year, His glee club would be petitioning the Pope to have him canonised, All I am saying is let's have the post mortem when the season is dead and it is far from that.

[timh59]

And you answered yours, as neither have the other 23 managers. But he has a wages budget the envy of all bar one or two.

I am not having a go a Johnson, believe me. But I am a little tired of the self righteous on here, that moan as much as the so called moaners. The point I am making is that the higher you progress up the football ladder the more demanding are the expectations of the football club's fans.

Gary Johnson, unless he is a Radio 4 listner and lived in the middle of Bodmin Moor, whilst he was at Yeovil, knew full well what the level of expectation was at Bristol City. He is a highly paid professional, who I happen to think has a chance of delivering what is expected. But several performances of late have been below what is required if he is to fulfill, what he himself proclaimed when taking the job.

Wanting success for your club is not a crime!

Of course it's not, but it's also not a divine right! After all, 95% of football clubs in English professional football spend 95% of the time failing - perhaps we should just be grateful when it's our turn to have a bit of success the other 5% of the time.

[Tales From The Front]

Of course it's not, but it's also not a divine right! After all, 95% of football clubs in English professional football spend 95% of the time failing - perhaps we should just be grateful when it's our turn to have a bit of success the other 5% of the time.

Talk about use the floor for a ceiling!

So we wait until it's our turn, christ weve been doing that since 1980. I'm affraid it's that attitude that is ingrained in the British sporting mentality and certianly in a proportion of the City fan base. I don't doubt everyone on this forum is City through and through, but I do wonder at the ambition of some.

[timh59]

Talk about use the floor for a ceiling!

So we wait until it's our turn, christ weve been doing that since 1980. I'm affraid it's that attitude that is ingrained in the British sporting mentality and certianly in a proportion of the City fan base. I don't doubt everyone on this forum is City through and through, but I do wonder at the ambition of some.

It's called realism! If I was ambitious, I would support whoever is top of the premiership this week, whereas if I really lacked ambition, I would support the Gas!

[bartolona]

Louis Carey interview on world praising the fans for getting behind the team at the start of the second half,could'nt be us we all moan and boo.

[Bristol Boy]

Unbeaten in 14 games, Only 3 defeats in 28 games, 2 points off the top, A teamspirit that has rarely been seen since the heady days of 1976.

Haven't won away in nearly four months.Six points out of 12, whilst playing three of the bottom clubs over Xmas.Gone behind six games on the trot & couldn't beat Orient, Cheltm or Bournemouth. It depends whether you just look at stats or actually attend the matches and lots of people don't BELIEVE and ain't coming, like it or not.

Re-Johnson:-

Can't understand his substitutions,

That's a common view

His signings are crap,

I don't think I've heard any criticism of his permanent signings so that one's a mystery

Why does he play Jeavons or his son,

Both haven't been in great form, so it's a fair question and the fact that LJ's his son gives those with an axe to grind some ammo

Basso is a clown and then question is asked "does he actually like us", Well I doubt it very much.

His popularity or lack of it could be a reason why the place isn't packed.....along with about a dozen other factors

To answer one criticism look at some of the signings pre-Johnson and ask yourself how many of them went on to bigger and better things, Lever (the worst player I have ever seen in a City shirt), Miller, Heffernone, Goodfellow, Dinning, Gillespie, Just to mention a few.

That's history and nothing to do with Johnson

Wilson had 4 years (a lot of money, Huge wages) and took us nowhere

Agreed, but what's that got to do with Johnson?In fairness to DW he did manage two third place finishes in seasons 3 & 4 and if we get as many points this season as he did, we'll probably go up second or win it.That's what would have happened last season.He also won an LDV and got to the play off final

(Johnson has had a year (and little money) so far) and some of the criticism on here is unbelievable, What do some of you people want?, Amongst others who did'nt go on to bigger and better things are Danny Bloody Wilson, But, There are still people on here who defend his record and put the boot into Johnson at every opportunity.

I don't think any stick that GJ gets.....and I'll tell you that Rafa Benitez gets more stick from the local media and fans in a week than GJ gets in a season on here and from the EP/WDP, is related in any way to DW.If it is, I haven't seen it

Even away fans are picking up on it, Mentioning the atmosphere and moaning.

Going behind in virtually every game we've played recently and playing some very average stuff isn't the way to get people jumping about and there are other reasons for the lack of atmposphere that HAVE been discussed Ad Nauseum.

Have you ever considered that one of the reasons for negativity is postings like this MOANING about the moaners?

Other banal & predicatable offerings like "So, what do you think of...........(Insert Name)" now he's scored a goal or had one good game in six, are similarly likely to attract attack from those with an opposite view, thus raking over old ground.

I'd also say that constructive criticism isn't moaning and those who want to live in some happy clappy world where nobody boos or expresses disatisfaction are living in cloud cuckoo land.

If someone thinks, as I do for example, that we should play Noble & Skuse in central midfield, I don't consider that moaning or the behaviour of someone who seeks to undermine GJ.It's a valid viewpoint held after watching City try to get out of this season for the last eight years and there are those at the club who should remember that some of us have watched a lot more Third Divsion football than they have and we might just know what's required to exit this division or at least have a view on it that's genuinely held.

[Bristol Boy]

Louis Carey interview on world praising the fans for getting behind the team at the start of the second half,could'nt be us we all moan and boo.

Quite right and he wasn't prompted to say it.

We'd defended poorly, been wasteful in attack and were rightly (some would say) booed off.

The fans reacted properly after the break and the team responded which brought further support.It's a two way street and when the manager has to get stuck into the players at half time week in, week out, it's little wonder that the paying public gets frustrated.

I've lost count of the number of times we haven't turned up in the first half-Forest, Tranmere (90 mins) Rotherham, Cheltm, Orient, Bmth

[Bristol Boy]

You've answered you're own question, Johnson has been here a year and has had no money to speak of.

Johnson confirmed at the ST Dinner that at no time had SL knocked him back when he had wanted to sign a player.He said he hadn't spent much because he hadn't asked for it.He spent about £100k on Wilson-£50k on Fontaine & £5k on McCombe, plus, I would imagine, decent signing fees for the Hearts lads, Brookers new contract, Orrs new contract. etc, etc.

[Bristol Boy]

Thank you, But, My point is that Johnson has only been in charge for ONE of these bleak years.

And that's the mistake that all managers new to a job make.They fall into the trap that everything starts now from a kind of "year zero" standpoint.It doesn't and those of us who've been here for years longer than any manager will ever be have already seen and heard it all before.It's not GJ's fault that we've had "thirty years of hurt"......... or more, but he and any other new incumbent is saddled with it.

Fair?

Of course not, but then, life isn't.

[cider head]

And you answered yours, as neither have the other 23 managers. But he has a wages budget the envy of all bar one or two.

I am not having a go a Johnson, believe me. But I am a little tired of the self righteous on here, that moan as much as the so called moaners. The point I am making is that the higher you progress up the football ladder the more demanding are the expectations of the football club's fans.

Gary Johnson, unless he is a Radio 4 listner and lived in the middle of Bodmin Moor, whilst he was at Yeovil, knew full well what the level of expectation was at Bristol City. He is a highly paid professional, who I happen to think has a chance of delivering what is expected. But several performances of late have been below what is required if he is to fulfill, what he himself proclaimed when taking the job.

Wanting success for your club is not a crime!

GOOD POST THAT.

when we cross the promotion finishing line the unbeaten stats will mean something

untill then it's still a case of fingers crossed.

[Ian M]

In fairness to DW he did manage two third place finishes in seasons 3 & 4 and if we get as many points this season as he did, we'll probably go up second or win it.

.....and funnily enough, if we continue to pick up points in the final 19 games at the same rate we have in the opening 27 games we will either finish on 83 or 84 points (83.5 by extrapolation). Wilson's returns in seasons 3 & 4 were 83 & 82.

Is that such a stretch to "believe"?

[wybmadwity]

The one consistent factor ove the past 30/10/10/5 years has been:-

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us

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The fans

(The Moaners)

It's pretty good at the moment. We are genuine contenders. Right now.

We have many players who are championship class.

We have many fans who are championship class.

We're nearly there. Really.

Come on City