New ticket distribution idea

[Chivs]

T'internet!!! I'm not sure but this new Internet thingy might just take off.

I don't understand why City can't distribute all of their tickets via the Internet.

All they need is a big set of tin (which can be expensive but it's a one-off capital outlay) lieing in the corner of the ticket office. Then, for all games, they say to everyone that you must use the on-line shop to purchase your tickets. For games like Boro, ST holders get two days to reserve their tickets after which they go on general sale. It wouldn't be too hard for the on-line site to know who has purchased tickets in the past and to reward the people who have been to the most games previously e.g. people who bought tickets for York get first choice at boro tickets.

The only downside is for people without access to the Internet. However, with publically available internet booths I think this argument is weak. I'm sure there are far more people who don't live near AG or aren't allowed time off work, and so can't get tickets currently, than there are people without access to the Internet.

It seems to me that the selling of tickets which is, afterall, just an automated process, is ideally suited to computers and the Internet.

The airline industry is doing this (I even booked a ticket recently and printed off my own check-in ticket ) with success. I can see a day when you can hover over the particular seats you want and then book them directly.

[cidercity1987]

At the moment we have a choice of buying over the internet, in person or over the phone. That's got all the bases covered in terms of people helping who don't have the internet or live far away from Ashton Gate.

The problems this time seem to stem from the fact ST holders couldn't reserve their seats online. The sooner technology is implemented to help them do this, the better.

[Guest North Street]

T'internet!!! I'm not sure but this new Internet thingy might just take off.

I don't understand why City can't distribute all of their tickets via the Internet.

All they need is a big set of tin (which can be expensive but it's a one-off capital outlay) lieing in the corner of the ticket office. Then, for all games, they say to everyone that you must use the on-line shop to purchase your tickets. For games like Boro, ST holders get two days to reserve their tickets after which they go on general sale. It wouldn't be too hard for the on-line site to know who has purchased tickets in the past and to reward the people who have been to the most games previously e.g. people who bought tickets for York get first choice at boro tickets.

The only downside is for people without access to the Internet. However, with publically available internet booths I think this argument is weak. I'm sure there are far more people who don't live near AG or aren't allowed time off work, and so can't get tickets currently, than there are people without access to the Internet.

It seems to me that the selling of tickets which is, afterall, just an automated process, is ideally suited to computers and the Internet.

The airline industry is doing this (I even booked a ticket recently and printed off my own check-in ticket ) with success. I can see a day when you can hover over the particular seats you want and then book them directly.

Have a think about all the people in society this may exclude. That is if you were serious. Are you serious?

There is a goverment white paper called valuing people which may even make the above illegal.

[Chivs]

Have a think about all the people in society this may exclude. That is if you were serious. Are you serious?

There is a goverment white paper called valuing people which may even make the above illegal.

I am serious.

I think the people who may be excluded include the seriously impoverished, the disabled and the mentally challenged. Am I missing any other group of people? Surely, these people will not be hindered by my approach (i.e. poor people can get to the Internet from free terminals in public libraries, there are ways of speaking websites for blind people...).

I might add (since it is tediously fashionable) that my approach is very green in that it will cut out many car trips to AG.

[Guest North Street]

I am serious.

I think the people who may be excluded include the seriously impoverished, the disabled and the mentally challenged. Am I missing any other group of people? Surely, these people will not be hindered by my approach (i.e. poor people can get to the Internet from free terminals in public libraries, there are ways of speaking websites for blind people...).

I might add (since it is tediously fashionable) that my approach is very green in that it will cut out many car trips to AG.

You have gone into negative stereotyping now & true discriminatory practice which is illegal.

It is the duty of many services to provide by law information in a variety of formats & a service that is accessible to all. The internet is anything but accessible for great swathes of society.

Mentally challenged should read learning difficulties, i would be slaughtered at work for that one.

[WhistleHappy]

You have gone into negative stereotyping now & true discriminatory practice which is illegal.

It is the duty of many services to provide by law information in a variety of formats & a service that is accessible to all. The internet is anything but accessible for great swathes of society.

Mentally challenged should read learning difficulties, i would be slaughtered at work for that one.

surely this pc correctness has gone too far? - if pc correctness entitles the 'slaughtering at work' of the 'incorrect'..

[Chivs]

Earth to North Street. This is Planet Earth calling North Street.

I guess from your comments that you work in a public service dealing with members of the public. I surmise this because you clearly have a misunderstanding about communicating with real people.

You have gone into negative stereotyping now & true discriminatory practice which is illegal.

Que? What does this mean?

It is the duty of many services to provide by law information in a variety of formats & a service that is accessible to all. The internet is anything but accessible for great swathes of society.

Really? Name one swathe. I tried to cover the groups (are we allowed to "group" people in your world?) but you haven't elaborated.

Mentally challenged should read learning difficulties, i would be slaughtered at work for that one.

It should only read "learning difficulties" in your Politically Correct world. Don't your PC courses tell you that members of the public are allowed to use their own language? Or does your PC world mean that everyone is valued as long as they agree with you?

[Tom Fleuriot]

Earth to North Street. This is Planet Earth calling North Street.

I guess from your comments that you work in a public service dealing with members of the public. I surmise this because you clearly have a misunderstanding about communicating with real people.

Que? What does this mean?

Really? Name one swathe. I tried to cover the groups (are we allowed to "group" people in your world?) but you haven't elaborated.

It should only read "learning difficulties" in your Politically Correct world. Don't your PC courses tell you that members of the public are allowed to use their own language? Or does your PC world mean that everyone is valued as long as they agree with you?

Stop it now Chivs. Your idea's essentially pointless, and makes life more difficult for people.

Don't compound it by being offensive and ignorant.

No, I don't work anywhere near the public or voluntary sectors.

[Guest North Street]

Earth to North Street. This is Planet Earth calling North Street.

I guess from your comments that you work in a public service dealing with members of the public. I surmise this because you clearly have a misunderstanding about communicating with real people.

Que? What does this mean?

Really? Name one swathe. I tried to cover the groups (are we allowed to "group" people in your world?) but you haven't elaborated.

It should only read "learning difficulties" in your Politically Correct world. Don't your PC courses tell you that members of the public are allowed to use their own language? Or does your PC world mean that everyone is valued as long as they agree with you?

No, No, Nooooooo!

Some of the "real people" i know would size up the bridge of my nose if i described them as Mentally challenged.

Mentally challenged is not a phrase which would value anybody.

Is your Mother Mentally challenged or are you? Not nice, big or clever.

Lets put it down to a simple slip.

Time for me to go you as you are too far out of my league.

[Dollymarie]

anyone?

[Chivs]

Stop it now Chivs. Your idea's essentially pointless, and makes life more difficult for people.

Both you and North Street don't want to elaborate on why my idea is "pointless" (or discriminatory (NS))?

You throw these accusations about but can't back them up with justifications. I'm quite willing to be told why my idea is useless or whatever. I might have misjudged the situation i.e. I'm happy to have a debate and concede if your points are well made.

I think the Internet is a great tool for helping people rather than making life "more difficult". The Internet is also the best socialist, non-judgemental service around. It just sends packets up and down the wire irrespective of who you are.

Don't compound it by being offensive and ignorant.

I can't think of anything more offensive than telling people how to speak and, hence, by association, telling them how to think. This is oppression that affects us all.

[Guest North Street]

Both you and North Street don't want to elaborate on why my idea is "pointless" (or discriminatory (NS))?

You throw these accusations about but can't back them up with justifications. I'm quite willing to be told why my idea is useless or whatever. I might have misjudged the situation i.e. I'm happy to have a debate and concede if your points are well made.

I think the Internet is a great tool for helping people rather than making life "more difficult". The Internet is also the best socialist, non-judgemental service around. It just sends packets up and down the wire irrespective of who you are.

I can't think of anything more offensive than telling people how to speak and, hence, by association, telling them how to think. This is oppression that affects us all.

Your idea is not pointless

It certainly could be viewed as discriminatory or actually discriminatory by law [quite complex]. City as a service have to provide facilities which take into account disability e.g. learning disability. It would be unacceptable to only provide ticketing facilities on the internet as this excludes many of those who cannot read, have comprehension problems , the elderly, those with visual and spatial awareness difficulties, people with physical disabilities [millions] plus the million or so individuals with a learning disability in this country. Your idea would make many people less likely to attend matches at football hence exclusion/ discriminatory practice

Many people like some of the above cannot simply rely on others or be supported at all times. It does not happen for a great many. Society is changing but those with disabilities too often have virtually no community presence. Sticking ticket booking solely on the internet would make things worse!

At work it would be a part of my job description to tell people how to speak if necessary but it almost never happens. Outside most of the time I would not dream of it but my body language tends to give me away or it has reached the cider headed hour when self preservation has left me.

Of course the internet is a great tool for those who can use it. But less than ten per cent of communication is written or verbal and some people are never going to be able to use it. The internet can disempower and there is nothing socialist about that.

I will really go now as these Stilettos are killing me

[Guest wilksy]

What we really want is Talentsport or similar, like they use at alot of the 'big' clubs now.

Basically everybody registers for a smartcard and when you pay for games they get creditted to it, and you use the card to get through the turnstiles.

You also get a number of loyalty points for each game you go to.

Its brilliant for when you get a big game (ie Middlesbrough), as you can release tickets in stages dependant on the ammount of loyalty points the supporters have.

Monday - Season Ticket Holders

Tuesday - 500 points +

Wednesday - 400 points +

Thursday - 300 points +

etc etc....

It would mean season ticket holders could also order there tickets online too!

Can be used as a discount card in the club shop.

The are benefits for the club too...

- No need to post thousands and thousands of tickets out.

- It allows a far greater ammount of people into the ground, in a shorter period of time.

- Less staff needed to sell tickets and work the turnstiles.

- Allows the club access to all of your details, and can see your spending paterns etc.

[Guest North Street]

What we really want is Talentsport or similar, like they use at alot of the 'big' clubs now.

Basically everybody registers for a smartcard and when you pay for games they get creditted to it, and you use the card to get through the turnstiles.

You also get a number of loyalty points for each game you go to.

Its brilliant for when you get a big game (ie Middlesbrough), as you can release tickets in stages dependant on the ammount of loyalty points the supporters have.

Monday - Season Ticket Holders

Tuesday - 500 points +

Wednesday - 400 points +

Thursday - 300 points +

etc etc....

It would mean season ticket holders could also order there tickets online too!

Can be used as a discount card in the club shop.

The are benefits for the club too...

- No need to post thousands and thousands of tickets out.

- It allows a far greater ammount of people into the ground, in a shorter period of time.

- Less staff needed to sell tickets and work the turnstiles.

- Allows the club access to all of your details, and can see your spending paterns etc.

It is an interesting concept but what if ticket demand exceeds supply you now have, in effect, a compulsory membership scheme making loads of dosh through a fee for membership but still not guaranteeing tickets because the hierarchy is still there e.g. Season ticket holders, 2000 etc ?

There is also the thorny issue of will the club pass on your details to other clubs or organisations.

Ten years down the line the schemes merge and all are priced out by the by Premier membership card.

[RedTop]

I am serious.

I think the people who may be excluded include the seriously impoverished, the disabled and the mentally challenged. Am I missing any other group of people? Surely, these people will not be hindered by my approach (i.e. poor people can get to the Internet from free terminals in public libraries, there are ways of speaking websites for blind people...).

I might add (since it is tediously fashionable) that my approach is very green in that it will cut out many car trips to AG.

Even the thought of the two old ladies next to me in the Dolman trying to book their tickets on the Internet boggles my mind.

Sooner or later it will happen, I guess, and for those of us who have easy access to the web and understand how to use a computer then it makes sense. But there are still plenty of folk who wouldn't know how to use a computer if they had one.

There's one other serious disadvantage you've not thought of. In the event of playing the Gas in the Paintpot Trophy, they would be at a distinct advantage snapping up all the tickets online before we got the chance, since all those extra fingers presumably make them quicker on the keyboard...

[Chivs]

Your idea is not pointless

It certainly could be viewed as discriminatory or actually discriminatory by law [quite complex]. City as a service have to provide facilities which take into account disability e.g. learning disability. It would be unacceptable to only provide ticketing facilities on the internet as this excludes many of those who cannot read, have comprehension problems , the elderly, those with visual and spatial awareness difficulties, people with physical disabilities [millions] plus the million or so individuals with a learning disability in this country. Your idea would make many people less likely to attend matches at football hence exclusion/ discriminatory practice

Many people like some of the above cannot simply rely on others or be supported at all times. It does not happen for a great many. Society is changing but those with disabilities too often have virtually no community presence. Sticking ticket booking solely on the internet would make things worse!

At work it would be a part of my job description to tell people how to speak if necessary but it almost never happens. Outside most of the time I would not dream of it but my body language tends to give me away or it has reached the cider headed hour when self preservation has left me.

Of course the internet is a great tool for those who can use it. But less than ten per cent of communication is written or verbal and some people are never going to be able to use it. The internet can disempower and there is nothing socialist about that.

I will really go now as these Stilettos are killing me

Thanks for the considered response. I hadn't thought of people who cannot read so that at least throws a spanner in the works. The intention of this idea is to be fair to all in the distribution of tickets. Therefore, given your points above perhaps the Internet is too exclusionary.

I don't necessarily agree with all of your points (since when have the elderly not been able to use the Internet) but realise there's more to this than meets the eye. Who'd be CS or SL?!?