nester Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 What would happen in this scenario. Team A is awarded a free kick but before the kick is taken, a Team A player fouls a Team B player, which ordinarily would mean Team B being awarded a free kick? I am assuming a player can be fouled when the ball is not in play.
WTFiGO!?! Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 Yeah also, is there anything to prevent a player standing behind the byeline and waiting for his team to launch the ball forward to him as he runs onto the pitch to receive it with only the 'keeper to beat, thus not being offside as you can't be offside when you're not on the pitch? If not, why haven't teams thought up this demon tictac?ps/Nester, can't see this one remaining in this forum for too long.
cheshire_red Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 What would happen in this scenario. Team A is awarded a free kick but before the kick is taken, a Team A player fouls a Team B player, which ordinarily would mean Team B being awarded a free kick? I am assuming a player can be fouled when the ball is not in play.I don't know for definite but it's not like rugby where an earlier decision can be overturned if I remember correctly. However the second offence can be punished by Yellow or Red cards.
Guest Old Dazzler Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 What would happen in this scenario. Team A is awarded a free kick but before the kick is taken, a Team A player fouls a Team B player, which ordinarily would mean Team B being awarded a free kick? I am assuming a player can be fouled when the ball is not in play.Team A would still be able to take the free kick as the ball is dead when the other incident occurs. The ref could take action against the Team A player who "fouled" the Team B player ie a verbal warning or a card depending upon the type of foul. The offence could be ungentlemanly conduct, time-wasting, or violent conduct, I'm sure there could be others.Basically a foul cannot be committed whilst the ball is dead.But I'm no expert!
old_man_terry Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 Yeah also, is there anything to prevent a player standing behind the byeline and waiting for his team to launch the ball forward to him as he runs onto the pitch to receive it with only the 'keeper to beat, thus not being offside as you can't be offside when you're not on the pitch? If not, why haven't teams thought up this demon tictac?ps/Nester, can't see this one remaining in this forum for too long.didn't hernan crespo do that last season for chelsea at Arsenal? the goal stood I believe
Nibor Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 Team A would still be able to take the free kick as the ball is dead when the other incident occurs. The ref could take action against the Team A player who "fouled" the Team B player ie a verbal warning or a card depending upon the type of foul. The offence could be ungentlemanly conduct, time-wasting, or violent conduct, I'm sure there could be others.Basically a foul cannot be committed whilst the ball is dead.But I'm no expert! Believe that's correct but I'm not a ref either.didn't hernan crespo do that last season for chelsea at Arsenal? the goal stood I believeI believe the player isn't allowed to return to the field of play until the ref give him permission to. I reckon that ought to cope with it except in circumstances of extreme incompetency
SimplyRed Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 What would happen in this scenario. Team A is awarded a free kick but before the kick is taken, a Team A player fouls a Team B player, which ordinarily would mean Team B being awarded a free kick? I am assuming a player can be fouled when the ball is not in play.Play can only be restarted in the correct manner in direct relation to how the ball went out of play or became dead. Since play was stopped to award Team A a free kick, play can ONLY be restarted by the taking of a free kicj by Team A.Any offence that occurs before play is restarted is handled by the referee by an action appropriate to the offence. Since there can be no 'foul' when the ball is dead, I assume that an offence such as striking or kicking an opponent occured. This is serious foul play and should be dealt with by issuing a red card against the offender. Tripping or pushing an opponent while the ball is dead would be unsporting behaviour and a yellow card in this case would be appropriate.This would be dealt with before play resumes.
SimplyRed Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 Yeah also, is there anything to prevent a player standing behind the byeline and waiting for his team to launch the ball forward to him as he runs onto the pitch to receive it with only the 'keeper to beat, thus not being offside as you can't be offside when you're not on the pitch?Theoretically, a player may not leave the field of play without the referee's permission. If he does so, this is a cautionable offence (yellow card)If a player leaves the field of play and attempts to return without the referee's permission, this is also a cautionable offence and carries a yellow card.Therefore, in your scenario, the player leaves the field of play without the referee's permission, then returns without the referee's permission. This can result in 2 yellow cards and thus he would achieve nothing but a red card for trying to cheat.What is more likely to happen is that the assistant referee would probably signal offside.
WTFiGO!?! Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 Theoretically, a player may not leave the field of play without the referee's permission. If he does so, this is a cautionable offence (yellow card)If a player leaves the field of play and attempts to return without the referee's permission, this is also a cautionable offence and carries a yellow card.Therefore, in your scenario, the player leaves the field of play without the referee's permission, then returns without the referee's permission. This can result in 2 yellow cards and thus he would achieve nothing but a red card for trying to cheat.What is more likely to happen is that the assistant referee would probably signal offside.Oh, fair enough then. That'll teach me for being a smart arse.It's just I can remember both Thorpe and Murray having a habbit of standing the other side of it during close goal mouth action to prevent themselves from being called offside.S'pose it's different innit.
Nibor Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 Ah... is standing inside the goal considered off the field of play?
WTFiGO!?! Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 Ah... is standing inside the goal considered off the field of play?They used to do it on the outside of the posts as well.It is though surely, to answer your question.
SimplyRed Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 Ah... is standing inside the goal considered off the field of play?Good question. Theoretically, the area inside the goal is NOT within the field of play, as Law 1 states the field of play to be bounded by the two touch lines on either side of the field and the two goal lines at either end.Interestingly, the only time you can stand within 10 yards of a free kick is if it is an indirect kick less than 10 yards from the goal line. In this case, you must stand on the goal line, between the goal posts.
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 Theoretically, a player may not leave the field of play without the referee's permission. If he does so, this is a cautionable offence (yellow card)If a player leaves the field of play and attempts to return without the referee's permission, this is also a cautionable offence and carries a yellow card.Therefore, in your scenario, the player leaves the field of play without the referee's permission, then returns without the referee's permission. This can result in 2 yellow cards and thus he would achieve nothing but a red card for trying to cheat.What is more likely to happen is that the assistant referee would probably signal offside.So in theory does this mean when players cross the byline for example when shielding the ball out of play, they could get a red card?
Betelgeuse Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 So in theory does this mean when players cross the byline for example when shielding the ball out of play, they could get a red card?I think the rule is leaving the pitch voluntarily rather than by accident.
giles_23_bcfc Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 What would happen in this scenario. Team A is awarded a free kick but before the kick is taken, a Team A player fouls a Team B player, which ordinarily would mean Team B being awarded a free kick? I am assuming a player can be fouled when the ball is not in play.As the ball isnt in play, it would be considered an off the ball incident. Therefore some sort of card is usually required. As for the other suggestion about not being offside, an in-direct free-kick COULD be given for unsporting behaviour
SimplyRed Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 I think the rule is leaving the pitch voluntarily rather than by accident.Correct. The law states deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee's permission. Some discretion is allowed for occasions such as those attackers who stand behind the goal line during a sustained attack to avoid being offside, as long as they don't seek to gain an advantage.
Guest Kohlie Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 Well since you all seem to speak footballese... the following link will help you more then me... some things a girl just don't get in straight english... but I do think it covers your question http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/rules.htmHope it makes sense
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