downendcity Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 In today's press talk, there is a feature from the EP/WDP during which GJ is asked about criticism on phone-ins and fans forums. GJ's closing comment is "if we are sucessful we'll remember those who are being negative now!". How will "we" remember them? Will they receive a "reject" letter when they try to renew season tickets? Will they fail in attempts to apply for tickets for the games againts Arsenal, Man U , Liverpool, etc? Will they wake up to find a horses head in the bed? Will they be gunned down when they stop off to buy fruit and veg at the local greengrocers? Remember Gary Corlione is watching you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 No, his detractors will wake up with GJ's arse next to them in the bed. Well, you were all asking for it for four months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 According to the EP Johnson also said that being a City fan is for life, not just for christmas. Sometimes I wonder whether managers really understand the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DonnerKebab Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I think he's talking more about the fair weather fans who will appear if we get to the Prem on that quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 According to the EP Johnson also said that being a City fan is for life, not just for christmas. Sometimes I wonder whether managers really understand the fans. That's interesting, 'because sometimes I wonder if fans understand managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest greyfriars red Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Could be down to that the club have over achieved this year and beaten all expectations set and the team still get a lot of criticism for sometimes under performing or letting the standards drop. I guess Johnson hate negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seend Red Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 He doesn't take criticism well does he. He's a good manager and has done wonders at our club but he has to realize you have to take the rough with the smooth and take the responsibillity for Saturdays debacle which was his fault. My only surprise was that he didn't blame Saturday's performance on the fans for not making enough noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatWill Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 My only surprise was that he didn't blame Saturday's performance on the fans for not making enough noise. Likewise, our support - bar the first 15 minutes - was abysmal. We were louder on the train home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yessir Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 According to the EP Johnson also said that being a City fan is for life, not just for christmas. Sometimes I wonder whether managers really understand the fans. most fans are not for turning on gj just yet, but then you have your own reasons for having a pop at gj at every opportunity, thankfully those opportunities are few and far between, another flea in yer ear by gj me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StapleHillPhil Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 According to the EP Johnson also said that being a City fan is for life, not just for christmas. Sometimes I wonder whether managers really understand the fans. I don't understand your point, but I don't suppose I should be surprised as you've spouted nonsense on here for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 most fans are not for turning on gj just yet, but then you have your own reasons for having a pop at gj at every opportunity, thankfully those opportunities are few and far between, another flea in yer ear by gj me thinks. Indeed, how ludicrous that would be with the team still top of the table and not out of the top six all season!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 That's interesting, 'because sometimes I wonder if fans understand managers. Managers aren't that hard to understand. They have job to do.They get paid for doing it.The more succesfull they are the more prestige and personal glory there is for them. Its a results driven buisness.If they fail then they get sacked - usually with a handsome pay-off. What many managers revel in is the support and praise of the fans and when all is rosey thats usually forthcoming. What managers don't like is critism from the fans when the wheels are coming off. Then the fans whose praise they accepted suddenly don't know anything about how manageing a football team. Its a fickle buiness.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DonnerKebab Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Its a fickle buiness.... As fickle as some of our fans?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Managers aren't that hard to understand. Coming from you RR, with your post history with THAT post, it made I laugh! They have job to do.They get paid for doing it.The more succesfull they are the more prestige and personal glory there is for them. Its a results driven buisness.If they fail then they get sacked - usually with a handsome pay-off. What many managers revel is the support and praise of the fans and when all is rosey thats usually forthcoming. What managers don't like is critism from the fans when the wheels are coming off. Then the fans whose praise they accepted suddenly don't know anything about how manageing a football team. I think that most of us mere mortals don't know much about managing a professional football team. We all have opinions about players and how we think we should play but thats rather different than managing the side in real life. Its a fickle buiness.... Or even 'a funny old game' Saint......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 most fans are not for turning on gj just yet, but then you have your own reasons for having a pop at gj at every opportunity, thankfully those opportunities are few and far between, another flea in yer ear by gj me thinks. I'm not having a pop at Johnson and ever since my now infamous 'Conference manager' thread I've been very supportive. I'm the first to admit that I was wrong at the time and that since then Johnson has done a fantastic job. As for a 'flea in yer ear' - I nor any City fans need to be told off by the headmaster and I do wonder whether Johnson (and many other managers) really do understand the fans. Today is not the first time that Johnson has publically critised the City faithfull and I question the benefits of such a tactic. If any manager wants the fans to turn on him (why?) then the best way to go about it is to critise them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 As much as I rate Johnson, in fact I'd go so far as to say he is up there with Dicks as the best manager this club has ever had, I still feel that he needs to appreciate the views expressed on here a little better. We all of us, every single one, want Bristol City to succeed. We were here before Gary Johnson and we will be here after him as well. I think the job he is doing in fantastic but I also think he's made errors and there's nothing wrong with us mentioning it and talking about where we can improve. It's not necessarily negative - its opinions on our club. Spot on. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexPest Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I nor any City fans need to be told off by the headmaster GJ has every right to hit back at those who insist on leaving no stone unturned in an effort to pick pedantic holes after such an impressive 12 months for the club. He's as bemused by it as the rest of us. and I do wonder whether Johnson (and many other managers) really do understand the fans. I doubt successful managers (Johnson, Strachan, Sir Alex) do understand the fans who always take a negative slant, and I don't blame them. Today is not the first time that Johnson has publically critised the City faithfull and I question the benefits of such a tactic. He hasn't criticised 'the faithful'. He's criticised the 'unfaithful' minority, and the majority would applaud him for doing so. Such a tatctic would be geared towards having everybody who has this club's best interests at heart signing from the same hymn sheet while we still stand on the cusp of great things - and doing that can only be beneficial can't it! If any manager wants the fans to turn on him (why?) then the best way to go about it is to critise them. Fans are quick to dish out criticism so they need to accept it when it comes their way, especially when it's justified. But he's only having a pop at a misguided few, not 'the fans' per se. And I'm not going to turn on him for doing that, nor I suspect will others. If anything he'll go up in my estimation for having the stones to tell these Herberts to do their job (ie roaring on the team) and let him do his. Give me strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunningdalered Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 The irony is that anyone posting a negative comment on this forum tends to get shot down pretty quickly - so it is self policing to a great extent, even though its fair to assume that anyone taking the trouble to come on here does really care about, and want the best for, the team. I see nothing wrong with OTIB members expressing an opinion - none us think we have a better understanding of, or insight into, what's needed than GJ do we? apart from sharing information about travel, ticketing etc there remains the possibility that someone will come up with a point of view that makes you think about something, eg formations, players strenghts and weaknesses etc, slightly differently - Gaffer posted a good note today, 'away from the forum for 2 days' or something similar, which is well worth a read. Keep telling it how you see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 According to the EP Johnson also said that being a City fan is for life, not just for christmas. Sometimes I wonder whether managers really understand the fans. I think he does, he talks of fuse lighters not the big bang itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m42 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 GJ's closing comment is "if we are sucessful we'll remember those who are being negative now!". I think Downendcity understands this is a GJ wind-up but do the rest of you posters really think he's serious? It's another classic Garyism folks, that needs recording on Sir Colby Tits thread! Yes we will remember the negative eejits by thumbing our noses & blowing raspberries at them. Gary The Don? Love it!! Come on you REDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayer Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Fans can criticise as much as they want on a forum, its all about opinions. Freedom of speech. Especially this site as it has no ties with the club anymore. If fans have views, they can express them any way they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 8, 2008 Author Share Posted April 8, 2008 I think Downendcity understands this is a GJ wind-up but do the rest of you posters really think he's serious? It's another classis Garyism folks, that needs recording on Sir Colby Tits thread! Yes we will remember the negative eejits by thumbing our noses & blowing raspberries at them. Gary The Don? Love it!! Come on you REDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! Sarf London's answer to Don Corlione - "I'm going to make him an offa' he cant refuse - luvly jubbly! Yes, my original post was tongue in cheek. For goodness sake who would honestly think GJ would put a horses head in the bed of all the posters who have been negative about him - there aren't that many horses available! However, I did smile at the thought of posters on her frantically emailing the administrators to get their posting history deleted ASAP and before GJ had a chance to read through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 The irony is that anyone posting a negative comment on this forum tends to get shot down pretty quickly - so it is self policing to a great extent, even though its fair to assume that anyone taking the trouble to come on here does really care about, and want the best for, the team. I see nothing wrong with OTIB members expressing an opinion - none us think we have a better understanding of, or insight into, what's needed than GJ do we? apart from sharing information about travel, ticketing etc there remains the possibility that someone will come up with a point of view that makes you think about something, eg formations, players strenghts and weaknesses etc, slightly differently - Gaffer posted a good note today, 'away from the forum for 2 days' or something similar, which is well worth a read. Keep telling it how you see it! Well said sir.. I appreciate all GJ has done for this club in a short space of time but that wont stop me picking holes where in my opinion he/players have let down those who not only pay their wages but spend a large amount of money following them around the country (and probably have done for years) GJ has openly criticised/Blamed several things for bad results or performances this season but I am still waiting for the day when GJ says it was his fault - his tactics went wrong - his selection incorrect I thought the Southampton game might just have prompted it but no...it was the chairmans apparently for stating the obvious about needing better players to compete in the prem I have said it before and will say it again he is not GOD and there are many better managers out there but until we have gone as far as we can with him then he is Mr Right now if not IMO Mr Right full stop Sorry if this POPs! a few rose coloured baloons but we are letting a great chance slip away and if its not down to management decisions & tactics then what is it down to? And please don't say it is because of moaning fans for chrissake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 GJ has every right to hit back at those who insist on leaving no stone unturned in an effort to pick pedantic holes after such an impressive 12 months for the club. He's as bemused by it as the rest of us. As I say - do managers really understand the fans? I doubt successful managers (Johnson, Strachan, Sir Alex) do understand the fans who always take a negative slant, and I don't blame them. 'Big' managers like Ferguson,Wenger and so on rarely pass comment about their fans other than to say how fantastic they are.They rise above any critism - ignore it in other words. He hasn't criticised 'the faithful'. He's criticised the 'unfaithful' minority, and the majority would applaud him for doing so. Such a tatctic would be geared towards having everybody who has this club's best interests at heart signing from the same hymn sheet while we still stand on the cusp of great things - and doing that can only be beneficial can't it! Imo managers should not make any negative comments about the fans. Such comments can easily be misconscrued.Better to say how great they are. Fans are quick to dish out criticism so they need to accept it when it comes their way, especially when it's justified. But he's only having a pop at a misguided few, not 'the fans' per se. And I'm not going to turn on him for doing that, nor I suspect will others. If anything he'll go up in my estimation for having the stones to tell these Herberts to do their job (ie roaring on the team) and let him do his. Taking praise and taking stick is part of any managers job. Benitez wins the European Cup and still some Liverpool fans slag him off. You don't hear him coming out and passing negative comments about them. Maybe some other managers could learn from him, Wenger and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Johnson will go, he's sick of the boring whinging nomarks who insist on moaning at games, online and on the radio. Who can blame him, there's so many City fans with unrealistic expectations it's untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Johnson will go, he's sick of the boring whinging nomarks who insist on moaning at games, online and on the radio. Who can blame him, there's so many City fans with unrealistic expectations it's untrue. Nail on the head there for me Mooboy. When he came in, we were facing relegation to league two. Two years on, he has got us to to touching distance of the Premier League. And instead of enjoying the ride, we expect success to the richest and most successful league in the world. Things don't happen overnight I'm afraid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Johnson will go, he's sick of the boring whinging nomarks who insist on moaning at games, online and on the radio. Who can blame him, there's so many City fans with unrealistic expectations it's untrue. What nonsense! Johnson will leave City at some point in the future but when he does it won't be because he got sensative over what some fans are saying. Any manager who walks away because some fans are giving him stick whether justified or not should think of a career change. If you can't stand the heat - get out of the kitchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZepperin Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I personally find all this talk of misconscruing critism very confusing. :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest walshy-shuffle-carl-shutt Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I think the GJ has every right to make those comments cos i know for i fact none of us could do his job just as much as he would know nothing bout mine. He's right we can all voice our opnions thats football but he is spot on when he say's that we should remain positive. As far as I know not a single good thing ever came from negativity. So i guess what he is saying is if you don't have anything good to say or positive don't say it at all !!!!! Don't be supprised if a few of the doubters get barred from this site Just kidding. GJ his back room staff and the squad have all done a magnificent job, time to stop gripping and get behind the lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 What nonsense! Johnson will leave City at some point in the future but when he does it won't be because he got sensative over what some fans are saying. Any manager who walks away because some fans are giving him stick whether justified or not should think of a career change. If you can't stand the heat - get out of the kitchen. Of course it's not nonsense, it's a very worrying possibility. Still as long as #### on Radio Bristol get their ill educated moan every week, and comeplete tosspots on here can come out with their unqualified b***ocks, it's ok eh! There's far too many City fans who find it easy to moan, and make knee Jerk reactions. Lets not forget that classic "conference manager" post, geez that fella must be a right fool head. Do they still post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayer Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Fans are quick to dish out criticism so they need to accept it when it comes their way Fans pay alot of money and have been at a club alot longer so they deserve to have a voice . So those who get paid alot at the club should think before attacking the hand that feeds them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 'Big' managers like Ferguson,Wenger and so on rarely pass comment about their fans other than to say how fantastic they are.They rise above any critism - ignore it in other words. Really? Ferguson Hits Out At Fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest walshy-shuffle-carl-shutt Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Of course it's not nonsense, it's a very worrying possibility. Still as long as #### on Radio Bristol get their ill educated moan every week, and comeplete tosspots on here can come out with their unqualified b***ocks, it's ok eh! There's far too many City fans who find it easy to moan, and make knee Jerk reactions. Lets not forget that classic "conference manager" post, geez that fella must be a right fool head. Do they still post? Yeah i'd imagine they do cos it was the Chairman of the Supporters club that actually called for GJ head bet they feel a right left knocker now don't they. Never stop BELIEVING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Its important to have perspective. The fans who moan and cry all the time will moan and cry all the time irrespective of position or league, they are simply born *****. GJ should not worry about this as they are not a true representation of the City fans, far from it, they are about 1%, but becuase they wind people up they will get more air time and wind even more peoplel up. GJ needs to understand about these 'few' **** idiots, 99% of City fans are 100% behind the clubs/squad/chairman/everything! This is all what is important, i would even go as far to say that the uneducated drivel i hear from these moaning drips are actually Sags trying to sabotage us from within. This season has been a total sucess, to think otherwise means you're a cocksucking Sag and you can **** off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 How will "we" remember them? I wouldn't put it past GJ to print out and store some of the real vile stuff on here that was/has been aimed at him. Nor would I put it past him to scorn upon some members and give them a nickname Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff65 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Gary Johnson is urging Bristol City fans to keep the faith during what promises to be a tense run-in to the Championship campaign. Confidence has been eroded among City's supporters following a disappointing record of one win in seven games, which has undermined the club's quest for automatic promotion to the Premier League. The manager and players have been on the receiving end of criticism from a minority of fans unhappy with the nature of Saturday's 2-0 defeat at the hands of relegation-threatened Southampton. Article Continues Click here! City were a pale shadow of the side that stormed to the top of the table last month and Johnson admitted the limp showing at St Mary's was probably the worst his team had performed all season. Yet City remain in the top two with four games to play and still have an opportunity to claim automatic promotion for a second season in succession. Johnson says he and assistant Keith Millen are doing everything they can to bring a turnaround in fortunes ahead of Saturday's home clash with play-off hopefuls Wolves - and he is urging City fans not to desert their team now. When asked about criticism on radio phone-ins and internet fans' forums, Johnson said: "That's just human nature and there's not much you can do about it. "There are some who are almost willing us to fail and they are the ones who make most noise when we lose a game like we did against Southampton. "If we're successful at the end of the season, we'll remember those who are being negative now." Referring to Saturday's display at Southampton, Johnson added: "All I can do is apologise to the supporters and promise to do everything possible to turn things around before we play Wolves. "The supporters should know that everything they probably want to say to the players has already been said by me. They have to trust me to get things right. "Generally the supporters have got behind us and been brilliant this season. We really appreciate the backing they have given us and I want them to stick with us during these last four games. "We're still in a good position and they have to remember that. Most of our fans would have settled for a mid-table position at the start of the season. It was the players and staff who set their sights higher and who wanted a bit more. "I just want our supporters to remember that they are fans for life, not just for Christmas." Johnson is refusing to admit defeat and is determined to keep things on an even keel this week. He said: "What happened at Southampton was very disappointing, but people have to realise that can happen in a league where any team can beat any other on a given day." Johnson has escaped punishment following his recent sending-off against Cardiff at Ninian Park. City's manager was reported by referee Keith Stroud following a touchline altercation with the fourth official, but the Football League have not pressed charges. City have sold their allocation of 2,994 tickets for the Championship game at Sheffield United on Saturday, April 26. The club are considering a request for additional tickets. Is the full article and once again the EP/WDP hugely impressive investigative journolists hunt out a great story by watching BCFC World and then adding whatever comments they want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I wouldn't put it past GJ to print out and store some of the real vile stuff on here that was/has been aimed at him. Nor would I put it past him to scorn upon some members and give them a nickname But GJ doesn't read this forum..... :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I wouldn't put it past GJ to print out and store some of the real vile stuff on here that was/has been aimed at him. Nor would I put it past him to scorn upon some members and give them a nickname Wouldn't he be better off ignoring this forum entirely, and concentrating on the next four games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WessexPest Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Robbo, you're getting into a nasty habit of taking the views of a minority of malcontents and projecting that on to our entire support. You persist in referring to 'the fans' on points where this is a misleading generalisation and gross exaggeration too. You may agree with the sentiments expressed by some fans, but that's not to say most do, and therefore GJ is not alienating the fans by having a pop at them. Constructive criticism is fair enough, but remarks like 'Same old City' and 'the most let down I've been in 10 years' beggar belief in the context of this season. Why should he dish out praise when it's undeserved? It just comes across as insincere, sycophantic and nauseating. He's pointing the finger at a handful of hyper-critical wallies. That won't turn the support against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bransonmo Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 I'm not having a pop at Johnson and ever since my now infamous 'Conference manager' thread I've been very supportive. I'm the first to admit that I was wrong at the time and that since then Johnson has done a fantastic job. As for a 'flea in yer ear' - I nor any City fans need to be told off by the headmaster and I do wonder whether Johnson (and many other managers) really do understand the fans. Today is not the first time that Johnson has publically critised the City faithfull and I question the benefits of such a tactic. If any manager wants the fans to turn on him (why?) then the best way to go about it is to critise them. Good to see you and Mrs GJ having a chat together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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