bringbacktherobin Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Brilliant mate, I can't believe some of the effort some of you fans are doing for the EE, but I admire it. Keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EASTEND WURZEL Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 FORZA EASTEND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmpowell Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I agree in the most, however I do not agree with the polycarbonate fence. A polycarbonate fence is solid and will therefore stop the noise we make from traveling across to the away fans and vice versa when we need to react to dampen their singing. Part of the EE objective is to intimidate the away fans into remaining quiet which on the whole we have managed to do quite well this season. I personally like having the netting and don't mind having a line old bill there because on the whole it stops the idiots from running towards the netting and also keeps the away fans at bay. Can you just imagine all the young chavs running up to a fence thinking they're hard, safe in the knowledge that they are safe! Sorry but a fence of any kind is a step backwards IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Can you just imagine all the young chavs running up to a fence thinking they're hard, safe in the knowledge that they are safe! Sorry but a fence of any kind is a step backwards IMO. With cctv etc, ban anyone who is caught running towards the fence and ban them for life. It will then be realised that that attitude isn't wanted in the east end. Also with a polycarbonate fence, run at it all day long, could be made bullet proof, then all they could do is run into and hurt themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I don't want to see any fences in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcshorey Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 FORZA EASTEND, getting a season ticket with my dad next season in the EE, after putting up with the odd overflow. Haven't bought it yet, anybody know how many they have sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Didn't hear a peep out the east end against wolves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmpowell Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 With cctv etc, ban anyone who is caught running towards the fence and ban them for life. Easier said than done. That simply won't work in practice, especially if you get your wish and have less stewarding. That's only my secondary concern though, my main concern is the noise as I highlighted above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Didn't hear a peep out the east end against wolves... Was one the of the worst of the season, problem with having it overflow people who don't want to be in there are and it breaks up the groups that wish to sing. And this isnt about how great or poor the east end was, it was for suggestions on the letter being sent to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Easier said than done. That simply won't work in practice, especially if you get your wish and have less stewarding. That's only my secondary concern though, my main concern is the noise as I highlighted above. A five foot fence would not stop fans singing and works abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Don't like the megaphone idea either. Think it would be annoying and really can't see it adding to the atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Don't like the megaphone idea either. Think it would be annoying and really can't see it adding to the atmosphere. Works in Europe really well, could have fans with the megaphone acting in a role that Europeans call "capo". Taken from, http://www.glosk.com/GM/Bayern/-2442038/pa...as/47673_en.htm In most cases, a capo, or group leader, often using a megaphone, coordinates the various activities of the entire group, including chants, songs, and banner drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portishead Red Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 With cctv etc, ban anyone who is caught running towards the fence and ban them for life. It will then be realised that that attitude isn't wanted in the east end. Also with a polycarbonate fence, run at it all day long, could be made bullet proof, then all they could do is run into and hurt themselves. superb letter mate. I have been in the east end when i can this season but now have my season ticket in there!! My BCFC red cross with Portishead BS20 will be in attendance next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 We're not in Europe, I have my doubts it would work here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 We're not in Europe, I have my doubts it would work here. Last time i checked the map we were, just look at grounds in Europe atmosphere wise and it puts us to shame. Also if you don't try you never know if its going to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Last time i checked the map we were, just look at grounds in Europe atmosphere wise and it puts us to shame. Also if you don't try you never know if its going to work. Last time I checked the map, there was a a sea between us. Maybe global warming has dried it out overnight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 to seperate the two sets of fans in the wedlock you could maybe say to use a type of sheild wall thing << ? like they have at ground like Amsterdam Arena to block out even visual views of the EE ! the only thing they would be able to do is throw things over ( buut wouldn't be able to reach because of however many blocks we use now to seperate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 We're not in Europe, I have my doubts it would work here. A fence of any kind would work better than things did v Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 A fence of any kind would work better than things did v Cardiff. When there was a fence, we all wanted it down and blamed it for youngsters getting over excited. Cardiff fans aside **** all has happened this year, which I belive is purely because there isn't a barrier to hide and pusture behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmpowell Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 like they have at ground like Amsterdam Arena to block out even visual views of the EE ! I'm sorry, but if something like that happens, I'm out of there. A fence of any kind increases the likelihood of idiots and a solid fence defeats the whole point of the EE. We are there to be seen and heard to maximum effect. The netting and a line of old bill works just fine, so lets not try and fix something that's not broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 When there was a fence, we all wanted it down and blamed it for youngsters getting over excited. Cardiff fans aside **** all has happened this year, which I belive is purely because there isn't a barrier to hide and pusture behind. QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QPR Posturing. No one crossed any boundries did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Posturing. No one crossed any boundries did they? apart from the 1 bottle thrown and the steward chucked down the micra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 wish you all the best with it but i don't think the megaphone idea would work here, the fans who use megaphones stand on the fencing at the front of the terraces, facing the block of fans - that isn't a possibility in the east end, i think. it can work really well with the right fencing and positioning, but i doubt it'd work too well at city. also the club may be weary, that it'd be used to shout louder abuse at visiting fans/ police... whether you think the latter is a good thing or not doesn't change the legality/ feasability of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Posturing. No one crossed any boundries did they? According to the club yes this did happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4eveREDDy Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 According to the club yes this did happen. I think no matter what you do there will always going to be a very small minority that will spoil it for others, but what do you do, give up on trying to make something better, if so then the idiots have won, i don't know the answers but anybody doing anything to improve the e/e gets my vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyntaxtheRed Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Megaphones IMO is a terrible idea, when i've heard this on TV at European games i've always thought them an embarrasment for the club involved. It would sound terrible from everywhere else in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Megaphones IMO is a terrible idea, when i've heard this on TV at European games i've always thought them an embarrasment for the club involved. It would sound terrible from everywhere else in the ground. If it us that loud i suppose the crowd could chant "turn the volume, turn volume down". It did say trial period and if it works brilliant and if not does it really matter so much that fans are really trying to improve things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyntaxtheRed Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 If it us that loud i suppose the crowd could chant "turn the volume, turn volume down". It did say trial period and if it works brilliant and if not does it really matter so much that fans are really trying to improve things? I guess not, but i think the sound of it would irritate me, but then again obviously i'm not everyone so if most people liked it then i would have to get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 If anyone has any ideas for the east end etc, visit the forza east end subforum at www.ziderheads.co.uk Megaphones wouldnt be able to be heard from elsewhere in the ground, they are not that loud. Now in the east end, different songs are being sang at different times, this could be a way of stopping that. When they were used in the block on the left of the family stand, i was in E Block dolman and i couldnt hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 What the hell...the future of football... Deathly silence in all stands, no freedom of speech, people of all ages huddled together, fences seperating everyone, sirens going off, someone speaking through a megaphone... Sounds like a concetration camp! :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blagdon red Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I guess not, but i think the sound of it would irritate me, but then again obviously i'm not everyone so if most people liked it then i would have to get over it. Good letter in general. Hope you get much of what you're asking for. On megaphones, I support the idea of giving it a try. As Herman says, they work very well in Germany, where it is almost a position of honour on the home kop to be chosen by your peers to be the Vorsaenger (the guy leading the singing). As, like Herman says, this guy stands for most of the game with his back to the pitch (often on a platform at the front of the block integrated for that purpose by the club into the perimeter fence) everything they chant is directed back into the stand towards the fans that want to sing ... the sound of the megaphone itself is thus rarely heard in other parts of the ground - what do you hear in the other parts of the ground, however, is loud, well coordinated chanting spurring on the home team. I say give it a go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 no freedom of speech Isnt this all about free speech? Putting the letter up so people can say their views on the matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4eveREDDy Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 What the hell...the future of football... Deathly silence in all stands, no freedom of speech, people of all ages huddled together, fences seperating everyone, sirens going off, someone speaking through a megaphone... Sounds like a concetration camp! :noexpression: Sounds like a concetration camp! Ever been to one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Isnt this all about free speech? Putting the letter up so people can say their views on the matter? don't worry, I was talking in jest about the AG crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Being temporarily bereft of any better ideas and therefore disinclined to criticize those who do, I wholeheartedly applaud such a positive letter and the imagination and commitment that has gone into the Forza Eastend idea. Good work fella!! I envy the atmosphrere created by some of the Ultras accross Europe, and a little bit more of that spirit at AG could provide the players with a huge boost next season, even before a ball is kicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 i'm all for the persepex screens/fences, i've seen them on my travels across holland and they work fine, no need for a line of expensive policemen and women that could be better put to use elsewhere (ie stopping people robbing our cars) a small amount of netting would prevent people banging the screens, but if they did broach the netting its hardly the end of the world they'ed soon get bored here is a pic of the screens at willem ii in action here you can see the away end and the screens in action, above the screens hang a fine netting to stop things being exchanged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I agree in the most, however I do not agree with the polycarbonate fence. A polycarbonate fence is solid and will therefore stop the noise we make from traveling across to the away fans and vice versa when we need to react to dampen their singing. Part of the EE objective is to intimidate the away fans into remaining quiet which on the whole we have managed to do quite well this season. I personally like having the netting and don't mind having a line old bill there because on the whole it stops the idiots from running towards the netting and also keeps the away fans at bay. Can you just imagine all the young chavs running up to a fence thinking they're hard, safe in the knowledge that they are safe! Sorry but a fence of any kind is a step backwards IMO. who is interested in intimidating away fans? that's not what we are about our noise is to lift the team and for our own amusement the netting hardly kept the cardiff fans at bay i distinctly saw them move it and then trample all over what was left. A bit of polycarbonate fencing and they can do what they like without the need for robocop and the A Team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 This shows what we are on about, not from the bottom of the east end to the top. We would be (i think) the first in England to use it, so officials from other teams will come to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmpowell Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 who is interested in intimidating away fans? that's not what we are about our noise is to lift the team and for our own amusement I think you may have mistaken my meaning. I don't mean to intimidate them in a way that causes trouble, I mean intimidate in a way that will drown out their singing or stop them singing period. There have been many occasions this season where opposite fans have been VERY loud, but once we started singing to combat it, they soon stopped. Putting a perspex fence up in the east end will stop sound from traveling and they can continue getting behind their team without worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 I think you may have mistaken my meaning. I don't mean to intimidate them in a way that causes trouble, I mean intimidate in a way that will drown out their singing or stop them singing period. There have been many occasions this season where opposite fans have been VERY loud, but once we started singing to combat it, they soon stopped. Putting a perspex fence up in the east end will stop sound from traveling and they can continue getting behind their team without worry. How will it stop it travelling? Its what 8ft tall? With netting along the top, of course the sound will travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmpowell Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 How will it stop it travelling? Its what 8ft tall? With netting along the top, of course the sound will travel. Sound travels vertically does it, or all all the East Enders over 8ft tall? Sound will bounce off the roof, of course, however the full impact of the EastEnd against visiting fans would be lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Sound travels vertically does it, or all all the East Enders over 8ft tall? Sound will bounce off the roof, of course, however the full impact of the EastEnd against visiting fans would be lost. So your saying 1000 east enders in full voice, wont be able to be heard by the away fans because of a 8ft plastic fence with netting on? Some might be lost, but i don't think it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I think you may have mistaken my meaning. I don't mean to intimidate them in a way that causes trouble, I mean intimidate in a way that will drown out their singing or stop them singing period. There have been many occasions this season where opposite fans have been VERY loud, but once we started singing to combat it, they soon stopped. Putting a perspex fence up in the east end will stop sound from traveling and they can continue getting behind their team without worry. nah, this does not happen when they are in use the sound travels up not six feet sideways from where you are standing the best bit about the eastend is that the low roof bounces the noise back down have no fear, perspex screens are the way forward, they work well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Sound travels vertically does it, or all all the East Enders over 8ft tall? Sound will bounce off the roof, of course, however the full impact of the EastEnd against visiting fans would be lost. Sound travels in waves which is why you can hear fans at the opposite end of the East End from the other side of the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmpowell Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Sorry guys, but I'm still not convinced. I'm open to the idea, but I'm an 'old school' east-ender who grew up on there right up to the closure in 94. I remember the intimidating atmosphere that can be created in there at full voice, so I guess I'm just wary of ruining what we've worked so hard to get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest motty Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 FORZA EASTEND, getting a season ticket with my dad next season in the EE, after putting up with the odd overflow. Haven't bought it yet, anybody know how many they have sold. we sold 400 to date wen i brought mine that was just renewals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 As one of the founder members of the original East End, well done for what you've acheived to date and, looking to the future, the letter contains some great ideas. Please forget the megaphone though ... cringeworthy.... as much as an assault on the ears as those friggin horns at the Millstad (no doubt to be repeated at Wembley). Now standing ... that's a different matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 FORZA EASTEND, getting a season ticket with my dad next season in the EE, after putting up with the odd overflow. Haven't bought it yet, anybody know how many they have sold. Got one 7.00am this morn; cant be about 50 left max now get a wiggle on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest the 'Ster Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 They'll move us all to F block i'd imagine. Fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 As one of the founder members of the original East End, well done for what you've acheived to date and, looking to the future, the letter contains some great ideas. Please forget the megaphone though ... cringeworthy.... as much as an assault on the ears as those friggin horns at the Millstad (no doubt to be repeated at Wembley). Now standing ... that's a different matter Moor2Sea, its not going to be a million fans yelling down a megaphone like the air horns. The air horns piss me off aswell. Did you read Blagdons Red reply? That is what we are on about, coordinating chants not yelling aimlessly down the thing. Also they are not that loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 They'll move us all to F block i'd imagine. Fine by me. Looks like it as 1000 will be gone soon if not already; so can see em taking f block and putting a fence up; its all about the money and I hope the club will get every penny; (IT HOLDS 5000 at present 1000 City even up the split Steve) they can in THE NEW HOME END :noexpression: THE EAST END and make a few more HOME fans happy; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collis Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Can you add to the letter that it still says there are tickets left but won't let me buy one online! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Can you add to the letter that it still says there are tickets left but won't let me buy one online! and 50/50 split home and away; give it back; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalky Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Great letter, here's hoping the club allow all our wishes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Yeah, hopefully the East end will be opened for City fans again!!!! Vocal support is so important and have an hughe impact on results. For Premier seating, YES MISS, it's an exotic contribution to a game they don't have a clue about. Vocal support by passionate fans is what football is all about. Violence is cancer killing the game. FORGET IT MISS!!!!! Real die hard fans who dare to call themselfes City fans don't tollerate violence. They sing to death. Piss off. The East end should bear it's own costs, home and away. No problem couse we are not idiots. er.. you been on that absolut again Mr Sweden? I actually think this should be our motto for next season: They sing to death. Piss off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest walshy-shuffle-carl-shutt Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Works in Europe really well, could have fans with the megaphone acting in a role that Europeans call "capo". Taken from, http://www.glosk.com/GM/Bayern/-2442038/pa...as/47673_en.htm In most cases, a capo, or group leader, often using a megaphone, coordinates the various activities of the entire group, including chants, songs, and banner drops. No i have to agree that megaphones would not add anything it would remind me of some far away European place. Let them do there thing and we do ours. If we have lasted 80yrs without them then why would need em now. However i would be in favour of bringing back the air horn there must be a way of doing that in a way that would'nt upset those silly health and saftey pc mad idiots. Airhorns i always miss them never reall understood the ban. Bayern probably need it have you seen the size of there stadium hardly any direct comparison to AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 No i have to agree that megaphones would not add anything it would remind me of some far away European place. Let them do there thing and we do ours. If we have lasted 80yrs without them then why would need em now. worth a try though? the eastend since overspill has been poor can't be any worse than it is now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 No i have to agree that megaphones would not add anything it would remind me of some far away European place. Let them do there thing and we do ours. If we have lasted 80yrs without them then why would need em now. However i would be in favour of bringing back the air horn there must be a way of doing that in a way that would'nt upset those silly health and saftey pc mad idiots. Airhorns i always miss them never reall understood the ban. Bayern probably need it have you seen the size of there stadium hardly any direct comparison to AG. In Europe its often a microphone not a megaphone provided by the club linked to the pa system. Have to say the megaphone used in the Dolman a couple of seasons ago really did raise a few smiles which really is not so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted May 27, 2008 Author Share Posted May 27, 2008 This letter was sent to Mr Lansdown and Mr Sextone over a month ago. Taken From Bristol City's own charter CUSTOMER SERVICE The Club will acknowledge contact from a customer within a five working days. However every endeavour will be made to address any concern raised by a supporter at the initial point of contact. The Club will respond by telephone, email, fax or letter depending on the most appropriate means. If a customer requests a written response, one will be provided. Bristol City are not following their own Charter, The letter has now been sent to Dave L both via PM and via the good old Postal System. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 A megaphone would work with individual chants like ''give us a C (crowd C) etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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