Bristol Boy Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Strange that at the start of this season we had a plethora of right wingers........or so we thought: WilsonBetsyMurraySproule All competing for one place. It wass said that Nicky Carle could also play there, which, clearly, he cant. Odd that the second half at Stoke saw a player whose Mother wouldn't claim was a wide, pacey player in that position. That's one position that definetly needs looking at next season and I really like Liam Lawrence.Carlos Edwards at Sunderland would have been a terrific loan. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 It is our weakest area, the last 3 games have seen 3 different starters. No idea from the current squad who could "do a job" for our last 2, if pushed I'd move Skuse there for Sheff U, but it has to be addressed in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhyde Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 I wouldn't have described Sproule as either mentally weak or a bottler before this season looking at how he woked his ass off to get from Irish leagues to us. And what do GJ do last summer, he addressed all of our problems and strengthened in every area. I expect him to do the same, and i expect SL to back him again. We do need a right winger, so we'll get one as we will a striker, a left back etc. I'd like to see some guys with Prem experience and certainly promotion experience who maybe haven't cut it there yet come in, an Edwards an Earnshaw (he has if you look at his record) etc Do you think it's likely we can buy good players who start off other championship clubs? I don't, that worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Do you think it's likely we can buy good players who start off other championship clubs? Who knows, but if we do I'd like to see GJ put a bid in for Lee Croft of Norwich. Really impressed in front of the Dolman a few weeks ago, dribbling at speed, beating his man, and consistently good crossing ability. Looked a class above anyone currently at AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Strange that at the start of this season we had a plethora of right wingers........or so we thought: WilsonBetsyMurraySproule All competing for one place. It wass said that Nicky Carle could also play there, which, clearly, he cant. Odd that the second half at Stoke saw a player whose Mother wouldn't claim was a wide, pacey player in that position. That's one position that definetly needs looking at next season and I really like Liam Lawrence.Carlos Edwards at Sunderland would have been a terrific loan. Thoughts? It's not necessarily the right wingers that we have thats at fault (admittedly they have played poor), but more so the instructions they been getting from GJ to play narrow. The number of times we win the ball in midfield and there is no outlet on either wing is really really frustrating. Unfortunately, GJ doesn't like us playing like that because it's too cavalier and we're not solid enough. Seems to be working for the likes of West Brom and Stoke though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenun Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Strange that at the start of this season we had a plethora of right wingers........or so we thought: WilsonBetsyMurraySproule All competing for one place. It wass said that Nicky Carle could also play there, which, clearly, he cant. Odd that the second half at Stoke saw a player whose Mother wouldn't claim was a wide, pacey player in that position. That's one position that definetly needs looking at next season and I really like Liam Lawrence.Carlos Edwards at Sunderland would have been a terrific loan. Thoughts? Although it's another square peg in a round hole, loaned out left-winger Jennison-Myrie Williams will be available if we reach the play-offs, because Tranmere can't make the top 6 in League 1. Could young Jennison give us fresh impetus on the right-flank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Although it's another square peg in a round hole, loaned out left-winger Jennison-Myrie Williams will be available if we reach the play-offs, because Tranmere can't make the top 6 in League 1. Could young Jennison give us fresh impetus on the right-flank? I was thinking the same the other day, he couldnt do any worse than the current lot even on his wrong side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 That's one position that definetly needs looking at next season and I really like Liam Lawrence. Thoughts? Now that is Heresy. Lawrence will never play for City, not after yesterday's £30 million pound dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 0738parkway Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Strange that at the start of this season we had a plethora of right wingers........or so we thought: WilsonBetsyMurraySproule All competing for one place. It wass said that Nicky Carle could also play there, which, clearly, he cant. Odd that the second half at Stoke saw a player whose Mother wouldn't claim was a wide, pacey player in that position. That's one position that definetly needs looking at next season and I really like Liam Lawrence.Carlos Edwards at Sunderland would have been a terrific loan. havnt seen him much this season watched a few res games last year , poss plummer but like everyone else says needs to be adressed in the summer Thoughts? poss plummer , for now new signing in summer though poss ronoldo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh_red Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 I really like Liam Lawrence.Carlos Edwards at Sunderland would have been a terrific loan. Thoughts? Liam Lawerence? Stokes best players and one of the best midfielders in the division? and Carlos Edwards? one of Sunderland's Best players and a regular in the prem (albeit missed alot of the season with a broken leg) personally I quite like that David Bentley and Chris Ronaldo, but doubt we will get them either personally I still would have started Sproule, despite not being on form, still felt he would have put out a better performance than Wilson, who as a Right Back is great, but once again proved he isn't a right winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 0738parkway Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Liam Lawerence? Stokes best players and one of the best midfielders in the division? and Carlos Edwards? one of Sunderland's Best players and a regular in the prem (albeit missed alot of the season with a broken leg) personally I quite like that David Bentley and Chris Ronaldo, but doubt we will get them either personally I still would have started Sproule, despite not being on form, still felt he would have put out a better performance than Wilson, who as a Right Back is great, but once again proved he isn't a right winger. Agree wilson has not done a thing playing right wing he is too safe a player and hides, he should demand the ball and be adventurous, to me it would be goodbye to him this summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Boy Posted April 20, 2008 Author Share Posted April 20, 2008 It's not necessarily the right wingers that we have thats at fault (admittedly they have played poor), but more so the instructions they been getting from GJ to play narrow. The number of times we win the ball in midfield and there is no outlet on either wing is really really frustrating. Unfortunately, GJ doesn't like us playing like that because it's too cavalier and we're not solid enough. Seems to be working for the likes of West Brom and Stoke though. Then what's the point in having wingers at all, if they don't give you width & crosses? Although it's another square peg in a round hole, loaned out left-winger Jennison-Myrie Williams will be available if we reach the play-offs, because Tranmere can't make the top 6 in League 1. Could young Jennison give us fresh impetus on the right-flank? Very left sided however, I suggested weeks ago that he could play as a striker as he has what we don't.............pace! Liam Lawerence? Stokes best players and one of the best midfielders in the division? Yes and just what we need to get us out of the CCC and Carlos Edwards? one of Sunderland's Best players and a regular in the prem (albeit missed alot of the season with a broken leg) A decent loan target when he returned from injury and, once again, whilst he's a quality player, he won't set the Prem alight and could be available depending on how Keane spends his warchest in the summer. personally I quite like that David Bentley and Chris Ronaldo, but doubt we will get them either. Well Bentley began his career on loan and we all know they don't work-I mean look at Bednar at WBA or Cambell at Hull or that mob Stoke.Nah let's not change anything and then thing's will just get better, won't they? Having said that we could always sign more players that are of equal ability to the ones we have at present and then we're sure to improve, aren't we?? personally I still would have started Sproule, despite not being on form, still felt he would have put out a better performance than Wilson, who as a Right Back is great, but once again proved he isn't a right winger. So is your theory let's play a bloke that's completly out of form,with no confidence, in a formation that doesn't work- as opposed to playing another bloke out of position? Yes I can see where you're coming from, however, I'd like to leave out some players who haven't been doing it for moths, change the formation and try that. As far as I know you can't score less than nil or do worse than lose, so why not try & surprise our opposition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh_red Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Liam Lawerence? Stokes best players and one of the best midfielders in the division? Yes and just what we need to get us out of the CCC Not going to happen, if Stoke stay down, they will be fending off prem interest and not selling their best player to a rival and Carlos Edwards? one of Sunderland's Best players and a regular in the prem (albeit missed alot of the season with a broken leg) A decent loan target when he returned from injury and, once again, whilst he's a quality player, he won't set the Prem alight and could be available depending on how Keane spends his warchest in the summer. Yes. But when he "returned from injury" he went straight back into the team, has been one of Keane's best signings for sunderland and was looked at as a key player from them this season, prior to his broken leg, still has a future up there without a doubt personally I quite like that David Bentley and Chris Ronaldo, but doubt we will get them either. Well Bentley began his career on loan and we all know they don't work-I mean look at Bednar at WBA or Cambell at Hull or that mob Stoke.Nah let's not change anything and then thing's will just get better, YES. but as ever you totally miss the point on loans LONG TERM LOANS WORK similar to Brum last season, and they still take a while to settle in, but short-term loans generally don't ala Bothroyd, Ameobi, Lita etc.........) if we were going to bring in players it had to be start of the season or upto around November time) panic signings in Jan/Feb don't generally make a difference, which is why GJ didn't bother as he couldn't find the right player. personally I still would have started Sproule, despite not being on form, still felt he would have put out a better performance than Wilson, who as a Right Back is great, but once again proved he isn't a right winger. So is your theory let's play a bloke that's completly out of form,with no confidence, in a formation that doesn't work- as opposed to playing another bloke out of position? Yes I can see where you're coming from, however, I'd like to leave out some players who haven't been doing it for moths, change the formation and try that. yes, he is totally out of form, but yet despite his performance against Wolves, he still provided more in that game as an attacking outlet, than I think I've ever seen from wilson while he has played right wing (I like wilson, but as a full back over Orr as he has a much better range of passing) as a right sided player, Wilson just doesn't attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evy11_BCFC Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Wade Elliot, out of contract at Burnley in the summer. Say no more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff65 Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Why replace when we can fix what we got. McIndoe - why do we like him? He's comfortable to receive the ball, take on the player and deliver crosses, if we hit the diagonal ball to his wing he has the pace to get onto it. If McAllister hits one over the top of the opposition's right back then McIndoe has the pace to get on to it. All working fine makes for a confident player. Sproule - why have we had issues because earlier in the season he could do the same as McIndoe but as time has gone by his confidence has gone and he's not comfortable receiving the ball and taking his player on but the other options i.e. diagonal balls from midfield and over the top from Bradley haven't been there either. Has our magical passing midfielders and full backs forgotten that just passing it to our wingers with the opposition's full back in close attendance is just one option and if it isnt working with our right flank then they need to try the ball for Sproule to run onto is a very valid and affective tactic too. I don't think we should try to buy our way out of each problem that we get - we have two of the most highest qualified coaches in GJ and Keith and they need to put the time into the players and let their coaching skills come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 It's funny how once we get a decent left winger( I know lacked a bit of being a winger at times this season but is good with set peices and always puts 100% in) that our right wing fails us, it was always going to be hard for Muarry to play as well in the championship this season as he did last season though. Then sproule starting upfront/holding behind the striker and looked pacey(maybe it's worth putting him back there if Noble isn't up to it?) So like a few others on here have said maybe it's worth putting Skuse on the right even though he's not a right sided midfielder even if it's just keep that side well defended more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kieran07 Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 i know would cost alot but would be spot on right winger barnsley's Campbell-Ryce ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 should probably just play Sporule there last 2 games. get back to Mcindoe--l.johnson---Elliot---Sproule, carle and dele upfront ...if we can get people fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Robin Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Lee croft from norwich was outstanding on the right wing & he only came on at half time for them, best player ive seen from away team at AG this season by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest always hoping Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 should probably just play Sporule there last 2 games. get back to Mcindoe--l.johnson---Elliot---Sproule, carle and dele upfront ...if we can get people fit Could always try out Ribeiro from the subs bench. Whenever he plays for GJ, he is used as a running F back looking to get behind the opposion full back at every occasion. With his pace he may be an option to bring on at Right wing to create some chances for the front pairing. Certainly be a more attcaking option than many we've seen lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunningdalered Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I was thinking the same the other day, he couldnt do any worse than the current lot even on his wrong side. Thats gotta be wild optimism and clutching at straws to an off-the-scale extent hasn't it???????? If we're into that level of fantasy, what about sending Scotty back on with a remit not to come more than 5 feet in from the chalk (unless its coming in at the angle and slotting past a helpless keeper for his hat-trick!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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