Fans Who Booed At Half Time

[Super Scotty Murray]

Absolutely disgusts me, we are not in good form at the moment and i am sure gary and the players know that, without the usual bunch of morons booing at half time. Don't get me wrong, the support in the 2nd half was excellent, but that minority actually makes me embarresed to be a bristol city fan

And people wonder why we are still a smal club.... I sometimes think some bristol city fans have no clue about football i really do.

[robins72]

People will boo if they arent happy though. I remember under the days of Ward we were losing at half time to York. The fans booed the team off. Second half they came out and won the game and then went on a long winning run to take us up to the championship. I don't like booing but the performance was unacceptable for a team that want to be promoted to the promised land. They need to motivate themselves as a team to win, the fans during the 90minutes made enough noise to back the team.

[Will Rollason]

This ones been done to death before mate. I don't understand booing yer own team either but thats the way i am.

Noticed McCombe walking off at half time ( he'd had a stinker mind) asking the away fans to be positive.

[Guest devonrobin]

People will boo if they arent happy though. I remember under the days of Ward we were losing at half time to York. The fans booed the team off. Second half they came out and won the game and then went on a long winning run to take us up to the championship. I don't like booing but the performance was unacceptable for a team that want to be promoted to the promised land. They need to motivate themselves as a team to win, the fans during the 90minutes made enough noise to back the team.

i think booing of the players is disgrace.

its not going to motervate players its going to make them feel like shit.

we are not bottom off the bloody league,if we were in colchesters positon i could i understsnd.

[Guest ciderhead456]

i think booing of the players is disgrace.

its not going to motervate players its going to make them feel like shit.

we are not bottom off the bloody league,if we were in colchesters positon i could i understsnd.

Even if we were bottom i wouldn't understand. A supporter is supposed to SUPPORT the team, unbelievable booing the players after the season we've had....

[robins72]

i think booing of the players is disgrace.

its not going to motervate players its going to make them feel like shit.

we are not bottom off the bloody league,if we were in colchesters positon i could i understsnd.

Like I said I don't boo players but sometimes it can kick the players up the backside. At least we saw 25 minutes of competing in the second half yesterday. There was lots of clapping at the end of the game yesterday too even though the players seemed to not want to respond.

[havanatopia]

Not my style. Did not hear the booing anyway.. must be going deaf then! :noexpression:

[Guest DanC]

I'm not one to boo and prefer the encouragement route. I was there encouraging them after the first goal and then we still played badly and then after the 2nd I encouraged again and they were still poor. So when they were walking off the pitch I did something I very rarely do and booed them off. I didn't like doing it but I felt they deserved to know that that was just not good enough.

[Super Scotty Murray]

Not my style. Did not hear the booing anyway.. must be going deaf then! :noexpression:

Well apparantly the sky comentators heard it aswell and were saying it was ridiculous, just makes our fans look like idiots to everyone else. Same vs QPR got noticed in the media.

[Will Rollason]

I'm not one to boo and prefer the encouragement route. ....... So when they were walking off the pitch I did something I very rarely do and booed them off.

[Guest DanC]

What I mean is I did so much encouraging in the first half as did many but that had no effect so like Johnson I changed my tactics I tried a different form of encouragement.

[Collis]

I didn't hear any booing at half time. Mind you I was in the bar.

[petehinton]

(2 all of those booers)

go out there and do a better job then those proffesional footballers in which a few (vasko,sproule) are internationslas representing their country !

[dezgimed]

(2 all of those booers)

go out there and do a better job then those proffesional footballers in which a few (vasko,sproule) are internationslas representing their country !

Sproule is hardly an international, and he didnt play.

Your argument is flawed mate. Booers don't think they are better than the City players.

[petehinton]

Sproule is hardly an international, and he didnt play.

Your argument is flawed mate. Booers don't think they are better than the City players.

I'm not trying to say that I'm trying to say that if they think they are playing bad if they tried to play the same Stoke side they would realise how hard and how much pressure there is

[dezgimed]

I'm not trying to say that I'm trying to say that if they think they are playing bad if they tried to play the same Stoke side they would realise how hard and how much pressure there is

Undoubtedly but again, they arent professional footballers so its a given.

Criticising someone for doing their job poorly doesnt mean you think you can do it better. It probably means they arent doing their job to a level near their potential.

[Guest BASSO]

I think sometimes people have good reason to boo the players if they show a lack of passion and motivation it might help them to play better. I didn't boo yesterday and I was disappointed when I heard it though. We are in a great position at the moment and there was no need for it. I think the support given to the team was excellent yesterday so who really cares about one minor incident.

[Guest DanC]

i heard it, it was a small group of no hopers, i went absolutely skits wen i heard it, these people have no place in football, go support someone else if you want to boo a team that has given its all for us this year, shame on them all.

it makes me feel sick

Shut up. Come stand next to me at a game and you will see I support them until the final whistle at every game I attend be it home or away and I very rarely booed. In fact up till yesterday I can't remember the last time I booed. But yesterday at HT it was clear all the singing was doing nothing so a different approach was needed.

[Dollymarie]

Surely booing the team when we are already losing is kind of counter-productive. I understand peoples frustrations, but I still don't think booing them off the pitch is helpful.

[Bristol Boy]

Well apparantly the sky comentators heard it aswell and were saying it was ridiculous, just makes our fans look like idiots to everyone else. Same vs QPR got noticed in the media.

We were abysmall at QPR in the first half, as we were yesterday.

No booing?

Christ, I can rememeber City fans booing the team on years ago.

Joking apart, all this positive thinking doesn't actually seems to be getting us anywhere, does it?

Tell you what, here's a radical suggestion.

Stick the candles where the sun don't shine.

If the players really perform and give 100% in terms of the quality of which they are individually & collectively capable and in terms of commitment, I'm 100% certain the fans, who, overall, have been magnificent this season, not to mention very patient, will respond in kind.

When the players are timid, reticent and look like they don't believe, that provokes the same reaction and anger amongst supporters who have been described as paying customers when it suits.Following football isn't convenient or cheap and when highly paid players "BOTTLE IT" (GJ's words not mine) that's not on and bl00dy embarassing on national TV.

This nonsense has been going on for months and is worse away from the Gate:

• QPR
  
• Palace
  
• Leicester
  
• Soton
  
• Stoke-first half
  
• Norwich at home
  

The players and the management HAVE to turn it around, I can't and neither can you even if we light a million candles and believe like a cult.......that's CULT

GJ said that both he & Millen can do no more and it's up to the players-He is clearly devastated by their drop in form & belief.

The "LET'S STOP THIS $HIT RIGHT NOW & GET STUCK IN" campaign should start right here and now and you know what you can do with those candles!

[Super Scotty Murray]

We were abysmall at QPR in the first half, as we were yesterday.

No booing?

Christ, I can rememeber City fans booing the team on years ago.

Joking apart, all this positive thinking doesn't actually seems to be getting us anywhere, does it?

Tell you what, here's a radical suggestion.

Stick the candles where the sun don't shine.

If the players really perform and give 100% in terms of the quality of which they are individually & collectively capable and in terms of commitment, I'm 100% certain the fans, who, overall, have been magnificent this season, not to mention very patient, will respond in kind.

When the players are timid, reticent and look like they don't believe, that provokes the same reaction and anger amongst supporters who have been described as paying customers when it suits.Following football isn't convenient or cheap and when highly paid players "BOTTLE IT" (GJ's words not mine) that's not on and bl00dy embarassing on national TV.

This nonsense has been going on for months and is worse away from the Gate:

• QPR
  
• Palace
  
• Leicester
  
• Soton
  
• Stoke-first half
  
• Norwich at home
  

The players and the management HAVE to turn it around, I can't and neither can you even if we light a million candles and believe like a cult.......that's CULT

GJ said that both he & Millen can do no more and it's up to the players-He is clearly devastated by their drop in form & belief.

The "LET'S STOP THIS $HIT RIGHT NOW & GET STUCK IN" campaign should start right here and now and you know what you can do with those candles!

Problem is that people need to put this whole situation into context. Clearly we are punching above our weight, look at our goal difference. We have managed to win a lot of games we shouldnt have (eg away to Sheff Wed, Burnley. home to Blackpool, Norwich just to think of a few). The reason i get so annoyed by people booing and moaning all the time is for us to even be in this situation is incredible. We have one of the smallest squads in the league, are one of the smaller clubs in the league, and are still in with a chance of automatic promotion with 2 games to go. I am proud of every single player, the manager and the chairman for giving us such a great season no matter what happens.

I really think if we were 20th and batting relegation fans like you would be happier than where we are now because you wouldnt have ridiculous expectations. I am not some happy clappy either, I know we were awful first half vs Stoke and a lot of players froze, but I'm not going to start booing and shouting obscenities at them because they simply do not deserve it.

The reason the media don't like us is because we are such a mickey mouse club at times, and booing at a game like this just makes it worse. I am sorry, but you just cannot condone it in the situation we are in.

I booed when Pulis was in charge because I refused to pay to watch that pilth, but there is no way while the players are doing what they are doing at the moment, i would even contemplate that thought, as i said before, it disgusts me.

[sunningdalered]

I thought the boo-ing was directed towards Lawrence - for being a cheating **** - well thats who I was boo-ing anyway. Couldnt see any reason to boo the City players, they were just being outplayed by a better, more organised, more confident team (sometimes you've just got to accept that in the CCC I think).

[Maesknoll Red]

I'm not trying to say that I'm trying to say that if they think they are playing bad if they tried to play the same Stoke side they would realise how hard and how much pressure there is

I think you'll find that many fans do understand what pressure is, holding down a job, meeting increasing targets, as well as the expectations of senior managers and shareholders. Paying the mortgage and bills.

Then Saturday, the chance to forget all of that, let of steam and if that steam can't come out in celebration, in some folk it will come out as frustration, there can't be anyone who wasn't frustrated by Saturdays first half showing.

[Bristol Boy]

Problem is that people need to put this whole situation into context. Clearly we are punching above our weight, look at our goal difference. We have managed to win a lot of games we shouldnt have (eg away to Sheff Wed, Burnley. home to Blackpool, Norwich just to think of a few). The reason i get so annoyed by people booing and moaning all the time is for us to even be in this situation is incredible. We have one of the smallest squads in the league, are one of the smaller clubs in the league, and are still in with a chance of automatic promotion with 2 games to go. I am proud of every single player, the manager and the chairman for giving us such a great season no matter what happens.

"If you think or say we've overacheived that's disrespectful to the players"-GJ 21.9.08 You may be proud but you are very disrespectful Secondly we don't have a small squad, however we do have a squad where young players don't get a cahance and of very average quality.

How can you say we have a smalll squad and then farm 6/7 players at a time out on loan? If it's small why not sign some more?

I really think if we were 20th and batting relegation fans like you would be happier than where we are now because you wouldnt have ridiculous expectations.

Fans like me-You mean fans who travel to S****horpe, Middlesborough, Barnsley & Hull for night games-How dare you criticise me and I wasn't booing ********************.My expectations, unlike yours, do not insult our players and they were based on reaching the play offs.That was stated in August, however, from where we were eight games ago and at 5.20pm on Saturday I was disappointed

The reason the media don't like us is because we are such a mickey mouse club at times, and booing at a game like this just makes it worse. I am sorry, but you just cannot condone it in the situation we are in.

Now we're a micky mouse club

I booed when Pulis was in charge because I refused to pay to watch that pilth,

So when you don't like it, you can boo, but others can't? Hypocrite!

but there is no way while the players are doing what they are doing at the moment, i would even contemplate that thought, as i said before, it disgusts me.

Physician heal thyself

[Guest]

We were abysmall at QPR in the first half, as we were yesterday.

No booing?

Christ, I can rememeber City fans booing the team on years ago.

Joking apart, all this positive thinking doesn't actually seems to be getting us anywhere, does it?

Tell you what, here's a radical suggestion.

Stick the candles where the sun don't shine.

If the players really perform and give 100% in terms of the quality of which they are individually & collectively capable and in terms of commitment, I'm 100% certain the fans, who, overall, have been magnificent this season, not to mention very patient, will respond in kind.

When the players are timid, reticent and look like they don't believe, that provokes the same reaction and anger amongst supporters who have been described as paying customers when it suits.Following football isn't convenient or cheap and when highly paid players "BOTTLE IT" (GJ's words not mine) that's not on and bl00dy embarassing on national TV.

This nonsense has been going on for months and is worse away from the Gate:

• QPR
  
• Palace
  
• Leicester
  
• Soton
  
• Stoke-first half
  
• Norwich at home
  

The players and the management HAVE to turn it around, I can't and neither can you even if we light a million candles and believe like a cult.......that's CULT

GJ said that both he & Millen can do no more and it's up to the players-He is clearly devastated by their drop in form & belief.

The "LET'S STOP THIS $HIT RIGHT NOW & GET STUCK IN" campaign should start right here and now and you know what you can do with those candles!

Sorry but you seem quite an important fan who is considerably more important than most of us; but geeze you aint that important; (and mods do what you like; attack the post not the poster yeah yeah;)

[CHIPLEY RED]

I thought the boo-ing was directed towards Lawrence - for being a cheating **** - well thats who I was boo-ing anyway. Couldnt see any reason to boo the City players, they were just being outplayed by a better, more organised, more confident team (sometimes you've just got to accept that in the CCC I think).

Thats what i thought was happening. Everybody around me clapped the players off. I didn't hear anyone shouting at the palyers or manager. Is this being blown out of proportion.

Yes we were all gutted at the result and the first half performance but i didn't hear too much moaning (certainly no more than any game recently) before, during or after thegame.

If people were booing city then who were you booing individuals or the whole team and how is that supposed to help.

[Riaz]

Personally i booed the scoreline, ref/lawrence and pulis!

[Super Scotty Murray]

"If you think or say we've overacheived that's disrespectful to the players"-GJ 21.9.08 You may be proud but you are very disrespectful Secondly we don't have a small squad, however we do have a squad where young players don't get a cahance and of very average quality. How can you say we have a smalll squad and then farm 6/7 players at a time out on loan? If it's small why not sign some more?

I am not being disrespectful, GJ is not going to say to a newspaper that we have overachieved and he is a great motivator but you cannot for one second say that you expected us to be in this situation. We are farming 6/7 players on loan because they are not good enough for this level as you point out correctly. Look at the team Stoke put out, at least 5 of their players have prem experience! Of course we have a small squad, we are playing people like Elliott who are clearly carrying injuries because they are irreplaceable.

'Fans like me-You mean fans who travel to S****horpe, Middlesborough, Barnsley & Hull for night games-How dare you criticise me and I wasn't booing you self congratulatory, supersilious twerp.My expectations, unlike yours, do not insult our players and they were based on reaching the play offs.That was stated in August, however, from where we were eight games ago and at 5.20pm on Saturday I was disappointed'

Well done Mr Important, clearly you are the best fan in the world because you write match reports.

'So when you don't like it, you can boo, but others can't? Hypocrite!'

At what point did i condone booing at any time? What i said is, in the situation we are currently in, it disgusts me.

[Super Scotty Murray]

PS I had better not 'dare' to criticise you again Bristol Boy.

Clearly your opinion is much better than mine, as I have only attended 42 games this season.

[Bristol Boy]

"If you think or say we've overacheived that's disrespectful to the players"-GJ 21.9.08 You may be proud but you are very disrespectful Secondly we don't have a small squad, however we do have a squad where young players don't get a cahance and of very average quality. How can you say we have a smalll squad and then farm 6/7 players at a time out on loan? If it's small why not sign some more?

I am not being disrespectful, GJ is not going to say to a newspaper that we have overachieved and he is a great motivator but you cannot for one second say that you expected us to be in this situation.

Read the article on the ST Site.I set out what I expected with the promotion team & the players in pre-season.

We are farming 6/7 players on loan because they are not good enough for this level as you point out correctly.

If you look at the players on loan, Keogh, for example, he was offered a new contract & JMW is still under contract.Betsy was signd last year and, contrary to popular opinion, still has a year to run on his contract, so I don't know what happened to "signing players for the next level" They are farmed out to save on the wage bill and to get fit as we have insufficient reserve team football of any quality.The point being that if we had a very small squad, we couldn't loan out players

Look at the team Stoke put out, at least 5 of their players have prem experience! Of course we have a small squad, we are playing people like Elliott who are clearly carrying injuries because they are irreplaceable.

Then why not do something really radical & unheard of like sign some more players perm & on loan, sell the "ones that aren't good enough", in your view? It's hardly rocket science.

Fans like me-You mean fans who travel to S****horpe, Middlesborough, Barnsley & Hull for night games-How dare you criticise me and I wasn't booing **********************.My expectations, unlike yours, do not insult our players and they were based on reaching the play offs.That was stated in August, however, from where we were eight games ago and at 5.20pm on Saturday I was disappointed'

'So when you don't like it, you can boo, but others can't? Hypocrite!'

At what point did i condone booing at any time? What i said is, in the situation we are currently in, it disgusts me.

When you said you'd booed in the past-You can't have it both ways

[Bristol Boy]

PS I had better not 'dare' to criticise you again Bristol Boy.

Clearly your opinion is much better than mine, as I have only attended 42 games this season.

Criticise as much as you like, but talk sense

[tinman-is-god]

Criticise as much as you like, but talk sense

Super_Scotty_Murray is raising valid points about the fans' booing on Saturday which, although i know you think is perfectly acceptable, the vast majority of fans, players, ex-pros and media would deem ridiculous. And correctly so.

Bristol Boy, just because you go to every game and write match reports it does not make you the authority on our expectations for the season, or give you a God-given right to attack posters who argue, justifiably, with a sound use of logic, which you choose to ignore, as you know all.

Ask GJ about what he thinks about booing the team? Answer me one question: Will that help him want to stay and build on the (come on, we have) overachievment that we have had this season or leave WHEN a (albeit lower) Premier League team offers him a job?

[Portishead Red]

Personally i booed the scoreline, ref/lawrence and pulis!

I booed you cos you wernt singing.

The guy next to you was giving it a damn good go though!

[Riaz]

I booed you cos you wernt singing.

The guy next to you was giving it a damn good go though!

boooooooo!

[Portishead Red]

boooooooo!

hahahaha!

[robins72]

boooooooo!

I was laughing at my mate who text me that Stoke would blow their 2 goal lead at half time. She was in the opposite stand to me!!

[Super Scotty Murray]

''When you said you'd booed in the past-You can't have it both ways''

I hate to have to repeat myself but I did not at any stage I condone booing at any time. If you read what i said, rather than the bits that you choose to comment on, I said that booing IN THE SITUATION WE ARE CURRENTLY IN disgusts me.

Booing is only useful if it is productive ie. the team is playing awful football with a manager who doesnt fit (eg. Pulis at City, Allardyce at Newcastle) or when things are going so badly wrong that the club needs a change.

Do people not realise that the best managers are those that are given time to work with a squad and build a rapport with the players, chairman and fans (Ferguson, Wenger). If we boo every time we have a bad performance then this is not exactly going to make Gary want to stay is it? Accept that now and then we will have a bad run, but that is all it is

[robins72]

''When you said you'd booed in the past-You can't have it both ways''

I hate to have to repeat myself but I did not at any stage I condone booing at any time. If you read what i said, rather than the bits that you choose to comment on, I said that booing IN THE SITUATION WE ARE CURRENTLY IN disgusts me.

Booing is only useful if it is productive ie. the team is playing awful football with a manager who doesnt fit (eg. Pulis at City, Allardyce at Newcastle) or when things are going so badly wrong that the club needs a change.

Do people not realise that the best managers are those that are given time to work with a squad and build a rapport with the players, chairman and fans (Ferguson, Wenger). If we boo every time we have a bad performance then this is not exactly going to make Gary want to stay is it? Accept that now and then we will have a bad run, but that is all it is

Not entirely true that. Ive watched Premier League games this season and heard fans booing the team and theyre not struggling. Its called having a knee-jerk reaction. People do it out of anger or frustration. I don't condone it because theres productive ways of being unhappy. Ive gone and spoken to players and even Brian Tinnion when we were struggling before his sacking a few years ago. If you asked a person why they booed I'm sure they would say its because they were angry and not for the reasons that you have stated above.

[Super Scotty Murray]

Not entirely true that. Ive watched Premier League games this season and heard fans booing the team and theyre not struggling. Its called having a knee-jerk reaction. People do it out of anger or frustration. I don't condone it because theres productive ways of being unhappy. Ive gone and spoken to players and even Brian Tinnion when we were struggling before his sacking a few years ago. If you asked a person why they booed I'm sure they would say its because they were angry and not for the reasons that you have stated above.

That is a fair point. I am maybe being a little harsh on our fans in general because a lot of football fans are fickle. I understand the frustration, paying a lot of money to follow your club round the country and people have a right to their opinion. I just wish people would think before their actions, as you did, and have more productive ways of dealing with the situation.

Picture this Gary team talk, come on lads, the fans are there for you, our 12th man (if we score) but if we go 2-0 down at half time in the playoffs they will encourage you by booing you off the pitch, leaving early at half time because a pint is more important, then leaving early at the end because beating the traffic is more important.

[Maltshoveller]

''When you said you'd booed in the past-You can't have it both ways''

Booing is only useful if it is productive ie. the team is playing awful football with a manager who doesnt fit (eg. Pulis at City, Allardyce at Newcastle) or when things are going so badly wrong that the club needs a change.

May be the fans who were booing

think the club needs a change!!

Allardyce at newcastle was the right man

problem was most of their fans think thier club

is allott bigger than it really is (that sounds a bit close ot home!!)

[Super Scotty Murray]

May be the fans who were booing

think the club needs a change!!

Allardyce at newcastle was the right man

problem was most of their fans think thier club

is allott bigger than it really is (that sounds a bit close ot home!!)

Hope you are joking.

[Redtilldead]

Hope you are joking.

Why ?????

He was correct, Allardyce was the right man, they were a lot higher in the league under him than they are under Keegan, and yes they do think they are special !

[Super Scotty Murray]

Why ?????

He was correct, Allardyce was the right man, they were a lot higher in the league under him than they are under Keegan, and yes they do think they are special !

I was more talking about the first bit! But re: Allardyce it was about the standard of football. You remember what it was like with Pulis, we only lost something like 3 home games with him in charge but football was so dire he had to leave.

[Maltshoveller]

I was more talking about the first bit! But re: Allardyce it was about the standard of football. You remember what it was like with Pulis, we only lost something like 3 home games with him in charge but football was so dire he had to leave.

No i was not joking

The fans would not react with boos if they were happy Correct?

so they must think somthing has to change

For the record i think GJ has done a great job

and i have never booed the team off ever

[Bristol Boy]

Super_Scotty_Murray is raising valid points about the fans' booing on Saturday which, although i know you think is perfectly acceptable, the vast majority of fans, players, ex-pros and media would deem ridiculous. And correctly so.

Then a great deal of fans both of our club and others are ridiculous because it's happened for years.

Bristol Boy, just because you go to every game and write match reports it does not make you the authority on our expectations for the season, or give you a God-given right to attack posters who argue, justifiably, with a sound use of logic, which you choose to ignore, as you know all.

TOG, But it's OK for you to attack me, isn't it? Listening to some people is like listening to Gasheads who ring Twentyman saying "City think they're a big club" when actually, I've never heard a City fan say that, just Rovers fans.I've never said anything like that, it's your assumption and if you call what SSM said "sound logic" I would respectfully question your judgement.

Ask GJ about what he thinks about booing the team? Answer me one question: Will that help him want to stay and build on the (come on, we have) overachievment that we have had this season or leave WHEN a (albeit lower) Premier League team offers him a job?

It wasn't me who said that it was disrespectful of our players, it was GJ and it is debateable whether we have given that we reinforced a promotion team with eight new signings and £2.5m+ in transfer fees & signings.

''When you said you'd booed in the past-You can't have it both ways''

I hate to have to repeat myself but I did not at any stage I condone booing at any time. If you read what i said, rather than the bits that you choose to comment on, I said that booing IN THE SITUATION WE ARE CURRENTLY IN disgusts me.

Booing is only useful if it is productive

That flatly contradicts what you've said-Surely if it's counterproductive now, it's counterproductive, full stop?

ie. the team is playing awful football with a manager who doesnt fit (eg. Pulis at City, Allardyce at Newcastle) or when things are going so badly wrong that the club needs a change.

A manager who doesn't fit i.e. Pulis looks like taking Stoke to The Prem and who say's he doesn't fit-Me-You?? Awful football?What do you call what we've been playing for the majority of the last 2/3 months?

This Bristol City play great football is wearing a bit thin because we haven't done it consistently for months

Do people not realise that the best managers are those that are given time to work with a squad and build a rapport with the players, chairman and fans (Ferguson, Wenger). If we boo every time we have a bad performance then this is not exactly going to make Gary want to stay is it? Accept that now and then we will have a bad run, but that is all it is.

It's not a blip.It's gone on to long and the reason we're where we are is twofold-Earlier performances/results & the failings of others in the most winnable CCC in years.GJ sayd we bottled it in the first half at Stoke and he's dead right.We also bottled it at Leicester & Soton.They're not good sides look at their results since they beat us-Both may still go down.

I was more talking about the first bit! But re: Allardyce it was about the standard of football. You remember what it was like with Pulis, we only lost something like 3 home games with him in charge but football was so dire he had to leave.

Pulis left because he was offered a better job on a load more dough and he won't be the first or last to do that, I promise you.

[Super Scotty Murray]

To be honest we are going round in circles now so we will just have to agree to disagree. I don't believe our performances warrant booing in the light of the season we have had. You do not boo yourself but sympathise with those who do. I didnt want this to just end up in the slagging match that it has, but when you post on here you have to realise that you do have an heir of authority which in my opinion, is unjustified.

However, I am surprised you think the football we were playing under Pulis was like this. We have been playing more direct lately as a last resort because we have lost form, it is not the way we want to win football matches. I remember once Pulis actually said in a match program he was disappointed after an away defeat beacuse their physio hadnt been on once during the game. If you would happily have Pulis here, you would be in the minority of 1! Anyway, he has far more resources available at Stoke than he had here, the jobs are not comparable really.