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So come on then @fisherrich explain the facepalm, which bit do you not agree with? or rather you stalked my posts like a little child just to put on the reaction

Think that should happen, but does not really address the issue as that money shared between all the non PP clubs would have little impact.

Sorry not sure I really get the point, if all you are doing is taken what is done now, i.e giving a prem club money so they can afford players contracts with no consequence, but we all agree this gives them a big advantage over non PP clubs, by introducing a penalty to level the playing field makes sense. The clever bit will be getting the points deduction so its not to severe that any prem club will be looking at relegation, but also taking away the huge advantage they have now and making it fairer to the rest of the division. I have not looked over the last few seasons, so would need a lot more calculation, but if you said that a prem clubs takes 100% of PP so starts the season on -20 points the 3 relegated clubs would still have been around the playoffs, so perhaps deduction needs to be 25 points, but a formula could be worked that gives a deduction but with a good season would still be near the top and promoted back. Of course a lot of number crunching will go on to work out if I am better off with 50% and lower deduction, or 25% of PP, but this will encourage the prem clubs to come in line

I have made this point a number of times before and cannot see why it would not be a solution- You allow the parachute payments as it is now or modify slightly, but if the relegated club takes the offer of the payments they start the season with a points deduction, (would be simple to work a formula that equates PP to points). The amount they take can be on a sliding scale, so the bigger the PP the bigger the deduction. This simply puts the onus on the relegated club to decide can they afford to keep players or sell them, it may help to encourage clubs to put a trap door clause in players contracts This then levels the playing field and non PP clubs will be on more of an equal footing, or relegated clubs can cut the cloth to suit their business plan. It works in golf and horse racing with handicaps, why not football?

Fair point I just lump all those horrible areas together, not welcome in brummie land then

Not sure Rooney should show his face around the black country, they were 6th and playing good football in October before he was appointed

Watching Argyle now tense Las minute, Plymouth safe

Why what's that

They have been very clinical and we have been useless in front of goal

Skyes had a mare, but playing on the wrong side Roberts struggling without Pring in front of him Tanner been caught out of position so many times Sloppy passing, to many poor long balls Some great finishes by Stoke but given the freedom of the city by our defence, which is a shame after having the 3rd best defence in the league

Roberts and Tanner exposed out of position

Plymouth winning

Lots of terrible long balls being played by us today

not for me

Looked good to me watching several replays

Might do that but have Bournemouth on as both Scott and Semenyo starting

Don't disagree but felt I needed to defend myself after putting a post wishing Kingy well, having it attacked as a cheek as I was one of NP's biggest critics which could not be further from the truth

So the negative stalking **** from weston knocks someone else's one line comnent, but does not respond to my reply other than a facepalm Oh well you will run out of those soon, as unlike others who pay to support the forum you don't.

No shit sherlock, we all know that he may BUT, you stated So nothing of the sort or anything different to what's been said, just you trying to put your normal bullshit negative spin. He may stay, he may not but nothing said, apart from a player being ambitious

Go find where I was a one of NP's biggest critics, I will save you the time, I never have been, in fact you can find where I have said he is one of my favourite managers and did not want him sacked. I have said as much as I liked Nige and loved his fan engagement, the football was not always as good as people make out. I have also said I think Nige may have forced the issue to be sacked, knowing he was not getting a new contract after the nest egg situation, having an ongoing struggle with illness and knowing he had a nice contract to be looked after. I also said I did not think Manning had the experience, but unlike some I accept a lot more goes on behind the scenes than we see as fans and prepared to accept it, go along for the ride and not chuck my dummy out the pram over matters I have no control over. So more swalking bullshit from weston.

Model pro, best wishes for the future wherever that may be

Shock horror young player shows ambition and says he wants to play at a highest level possible, which must mean he is not signing a contract and leaving in the summer As usual mr negative from Weston squawked and decided to twist what was actually said What TC actually said - "Success for me is doing the best you can at the highest level, I think you want to play at the highest level possible, ever player wants to play at the highest level possible. So every day I am striving for that and striving for success, I don't think success is you get there, I think you can always strive for more, hopefully I can keep going from strength to strength and the success will follow" Playing at the highest level does not mean necessary next season, TC seems bright enough not know that will take time, as he said at the end "hopefully I can keep going from strength to strength and the success will follow"

James had a great season, but not sure we will keep both Williams and James and even if we did unless it was a 1 year contract it would be a no. Lots have been said that we don't have the right players to play the way Manning wants, and assume Matty is one of those, so why would we keep, we can't be sentimental about it.

He was forever getting targeted by taller wingers and beaten and cost us a number of times. Was much quicker before the injury, was ok going forward, but no way a defender. Sorry it has to be more than just having a good song to be a good player

Never rated JD, too small so no good defensively, OK going forward I would like to see Pring & Roberts switched, as I think Cam is the better defender and Roberts is better going forward, its a nice problem to have