Xiled Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Here's a picture of those managers. I get the idea that they want to give LJ as much time as possible. Sometimes managers and coaches are sacked too early. We know there is a weird family-like relationship between the majority shareholder and first team coach. But where do they think this will end? It's clearly gone really, really badly wrong. I can't think of a single example where a manager who has overseen such an unprecedented run (that will now probably result in relegation) has reversed the direction of travel and taken the club back to where it was or ideally higher than before. If Steve Lansdown's stated ambition is to reach the Premer League in the near future then how can we possibly attain that from a coach who has managed 2 wins in the last 22 league matches? It just doesn't happen in football. Those squad players are now mostly Lee Johnson's choices and he has failed with them. Whatever loyalty and support the board of Bristol City think they are showing Lee Johnson, they are only prolonging the problem. The die is cast and it's the next coach or manager who will have a realistic chance to take us upwards. We can debate Lee Johnson's ability as a coach forever and a day but the inescapable truth is that since October he has not been able to stop us losing most of our matches. Sentiment is winning out over realism. Naivety is beating reality. Bloody mindedness is brushing aside the hard facts. Sadly Bristol City win very little. I'm not a football historian but I'm struggling to think of a comparable situation where excellent form has followed an extended period of terrible form. Genuine question, has this ever happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 37 minutes ago, Xiled said: Here's a picture of those managers. I get the idea that they want to give LJ as much time as possible. Sometimes managers and coaches are sacked too early. We know there is a weird family-like relationship between the majority shareholder and first team coach. But where do they think this will end? It's clearly gone really, really badly wrong. I can't think of a single example where a manager who has overseen such an unprecedented run (that will now probably result in relegation) has reversed the direction of travel and taken the club back to where it was or ideally higher than before. If Steve Lansdown's stated ambition is to reach the Premer League in the near future then how can we possibly attain that from a coach who has managed 2 wins in the last 22 league matches? It just doesn't happen in football. Those squad players are now mostly Lee Johnson's choices and he has failed with them. Whatever loyalty and support the board of Bristol City think they are showing Lee Johnson, they are only prolonging the problem. The die is cast and it's the next coach or manager who will have a realistic chance to take us upwards. We can debate Lee Johnson's ability as a coach forever and a day but the inescapable truth is that since October he has not been able to stop us losing most of our matches. Sentiment is winning out over realism. Naivety is beating reality. Bloody mindedness is brushing aside the hard facts. Sadly Bristol City win very little. I'm not a football historian but I'm struggling to think of a comparable situation where excellent form has followed an extended period of terrible form. Genuine question, has this ever happened? Only our very own 'magician' (enter your own description of choice) Lee Johnson who turned around a diabolical run at Barnsley, so I'm led to believe by the hype machine, to make sure they were promoted even though he left 5 months before they were. He was also responsible for them winning the JP trophy also (even though he hadn't been there for 2 months). So we're in really safe hands. Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, lenred said: Only our very own 'magician' (enter your own description of choice) Lee Johnson who turned around a diabolical run at Barnsley, so I'm led to believe by the hype machine, to make sure they were promoted even though he left 5 months before they were. He was also responsible for them winning the JP trophy also (even though he hadn't been there for 2 months). So we're in really safe hands. Not. He learnt a lot from that losing run. Or so he used to say...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 49 minutes ago, Xiled said: Here's a picture of those managers. I get the idea that they want to give LJ as much time as possible. Sometimes managers and coaches are sacked too early. We know there is a weird family-like relationship between the majority shareholder and first team coach. But where do they think this will end? It's clearly gone really, really badly wrong. I can't think of a single example where a manager who has overseen such an unprecedented run (that will now probably result in relegation) has reversed the direction of travel and taken the club back to where it was or ideally higher than before. If Steve Lansdown's stated ambition is to reach the Premer League in the near future then how can we possibly attain that from a coach who has managed 2 wins in the last 22 league matches? It just doesn't happen in football. Those squad players are now mostly Lee Johnson's choices and he has failed with them. Whatever loyalty and support the board of Bristol City think they are showing Lee Johnson, they are only prolonging the problem. The die is cast and it's the next coach or manager who will have a realistic chance to take us upwards. We can debate Lee Johnson's ability as a coach forever and a day but the inescapable truth is that since October he has not been able to stop us losing most of our matches. Sentiment is winning out over realism. Naivety is beating reality. Bloody mindedness is brushing aside the hard facts. Sadly Bristol City win very little. I'm not a football historian but I'm struggling to think of a comparable situation where excellent form has followed an extended period of terrible form. Genuine question, has this ever happened? Nice parquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 20 minutes ago, lenred said: Only our very own 'magician' (enter your own description of choice) Lee Johnson who turned around a diabolical run at Barnsley, so I'm led to believe by the hype machine, to make sure they were promoted even though he left 5 months before they were. He was also responsible for them winning the JP trophy also (even though he hadn't been there for 2 months). So we're in really safe hands. Not. You forgot to add he is also responsible, despite not being there, for Barnsley's excellent run this season. He did of course lay all the ground work - just some other lucky sod got to take all the glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mendip City said: He learnt a lot from that losing run. Or so he used to say...... I've certainly learnt a lot from this losing run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said: You forgot to add he is also responsible, despite not being there, for Barnsley's excellent run this season. He did of course lay all the ground work - just some other lucky sod got to take all the glory. It happens or will happen at every club but like in real life there are lucky people and unlucky people look in the mirror and see which you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, Mendip City said: He learnt a lot from that losing run. Or so he used to say...... Learnt how to repeat it - with more on top !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Gary Johnson had a pretty bad start- how long would said losing streak/failing streak have to be to qualiy for this? There must be someone though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Gary Johnson had a pretty bad start- how long would said losing streak/failing streak have to be to qualiy for this? There must be someone though... Brian Clough only won 12 from 32 games at Brighton (including a 4-0 loss to Walton and Hersham). At least he had the spine to resign though... we all know what happened next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted March 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Gary Johnson had a pretty bad start- how long would said losing streak/failing streak have to be to qualiy for this? There must be someone though... Seven defeats in a row during Oct/Nov 2005. And if I remember correctly there were definitely people calling for him to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, Xiled said: Seven defeats in a row during Oct/Nov 2005. And if I remember correctly there were definitely people calling for him to go! Indeed. And it was worse than that- after a mini revival we lost a few more and were in the relegation zone approaching mid February! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Fergie 1990 didn't win in 8 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC J Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Sir Alex Ferguson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Sir Alex had a horrible rocky period at Man United...fans were screaming for him to be sacked. That didn't end too badly. Alan Dicks seemed to work out OK in the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 I believe also Cotts start wasn't as amazing as remembered- though we were ultimately on the right road, an upward trajectory- we were in the drop zone that season in late February. Sir Alex is the banzai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 18 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: Brian Clough only won 12 from 32 games at Brighton (including a 4-0 loss to Walton and Hersham). At least he had the spine to resign though... we all know what happened next In Clough's day it was only 2 points for a win, but if we apply today's 3 points per win, that's 36 points from 31 league games! That's supercalifragilisticexpialidocious compared to LJ's record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 minute ago, pongo88 said: In Clough's day it was only 2 points for a win, but if we apply today's 3 points per win, that's 36 points from 31 league games! That's supercalfralistic compare to LJ's record. true, but the 4-0 whipping by the mighty Walton and Hersham must've had Seagulls fans frothing at the mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellspokenman Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: Brian Clough only won 12 from 32 games at Brighton (including a 4-0 loss to Walton and Hersham). At least he had the spine to resign though... we all know what happened next On the basis that we have won 5 from our last 32 (and only 2 from our last 23) league games, these results would have elevated the Manager onto a pedestal at the Gate right now.... My thinking is that we should all support a more success team, such as the Faroe Islands, or San Marino... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Why the heck do people keep bringing up Sir Alex when discussing LJ. Its insulting to Sir Alex. When Fergie had the bad run in 1990 lets not forget the experience and respect he already had in the game. He broke the duopoly of Celtic and Rangers, winning the SPL multiple times, Scottish Cup and beat Real Madrid to take the Cup Winners Cup. His time at Aberdeen is seriously underrated. What has LJ done? Nothing, just average in the third tier of English football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B block Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Does anyone know the last manager to be employed the whole season and get relegated, normally their sacked half way through ? also who is the last manager to do the whole season get relegated and still start the next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Xiled said: Here's a picture of those managers. I get the idea that they want to give LJ as much time as possible. Sometimes managers and coaches are sacked too early. We know there is a weird family-like relationship between the majority shareholder and first team coach. But where do they think this will end? It's clearly gone really, really badly wrong. I can't think of a single example where a manager who has overseen such an unprecedented run (that will now probably result in relegation) has reversed the direction of travel and taken the club back to where it was or ideally higher than before. If Steve Lansdown's stated ambition is to reach the Premer League in the near future then how can we possibly attain that from a coach who has managed 2 wins in the last 22 league matches? It just doesn't happen in football. Those squad players are now mostly Lee Johnson's choices and he has failed with them. Whatever loyalty and support the board of Bristol City think they are showing Lee Johnson, they are only prolonging the problem. The die is cast and it's the next coach or manager who will have a realistic chance to take us upwards. We can debate Lee Johnson's ability as a coach forever and a day but the inescapable truth is that since October he has not been able to stop us losing most of our matches. Sentiment is winning out over realism. Naivety is beating reality. Bloody mindedness is brushing aside the hard facts. Sadly Bristol City win very little. I'm not a football historian but I'm struggling to think of a comparable situation where excellent form has followed an extended period of terrible form. Genuine question, has this ever happened? Rosler, who is not an unpopular next choice of coach with a few City fans I know had a terrible run with in either the season before or the season he got Brentford to the play-off final. To say mangers never turn round poor runs is incorrect. Many aren't given time to do do these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, lenred said: Only our very own 'magician' (enter your own description of choice) Lee Johnson who turned around a diabolical run at Barnsley, so I'm led to believe by the hype machine, to make sure they were promoted even though he left 5 months before they were. He was also responsible for them winning the JP trophy also (even though he hadn't been there for 2 months). So we're in really safe hands. Not. Would you like any actual statements or just going to spin everything as much as you can? No one said LJ got Barnsley promoted or won them the JPT. It has been said he turned their form around to start their promotion run (fact) and he got them to the JPT final (fact). Never mind, twist what has been said just so you can make a sarcastic comment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said: Would you like any actual statements or just going to spin everything as much as you can? No one said LJ got Barnsley promoted or won them the JPT. It has been said he turned their form around to start their promotion run (fact) and he got them to the JPT final (fact). Never mind, twist what has been said just so you can make a sarcastic comment... No need for 'spin' or 'twisting' here JBCFC. If you think LJ was instrumental in Barnsley getting promoted or winning the JPT then fair play to you. That's your prerogative. I think their current incumbent Paul Heckingbottom may have something to say about that, and would be backed up by the vast majority Barnsley fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted March 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Would you like any actual statements or just going to spin everything as much as you can? No one said LJ got Barnsley promoted or won them the JPT. It has been said he turned their form around to start their promotion run (fact) and he got them to the JPT final (fact). Never mind, twist what has been said just so you can make a sarcastic comment... Trying to be objective but from a coaching point of view, Lee Johnson's Barnsley team have done much better since he left. It could be argued that he was holding them back from their true potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Fergie had bad/dry spells every now and then Wenger always has a bad spell in January/February Conte's start to the season didn't go well, he saw what needed to be changed. Look where Chelsea are now Liverpool this season year have been poor so far, look to be picking up form now. Pulis is doing well with WBA now, one stage WBA fans wanted him out. In this league, Leeds had a dreadful start. Monk made changes, they're flying now. I've always said don't judge a Head Coach/Manager when they are flying high. Judge them when the results are not going well, and what changes they made to reverse their fortunes. LJ has demonstrated he cannot turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angmering Red Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 In the first season after promotion to the top division in 1976/77, Alan Dicks as manager saved us from relegation with a 5 match unbeaten run ending in the famous draw away at Coventry and also included beating Leeds and Liverpool. This after a run of 9 games without a win (including 6 on the trot) from September to November, as well as a run of 3 defeats and a draw on the trot and another run of 3 consecutive defeats at other periods of the season. As we all know he kept us in the top division for a few seasons afterwards before it ended with relegation, him getting the sack and ultimately 1982 and all that....... So not as bad a run as we are on now however he did turn it around, we avoided relegation and we ended up with the unforgettable night at Coventry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Xiled said: Seven defeats in a row during Oct/Nov 2005. And if I remember correctly there were definitely people calling for him to go! 8 including the FA Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 58 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: true, but the 4-0 whipping by the mighty Walton and Hersham must've had Seagulls fans frothing at the mouth And the 8-2 home defeat by some other team, who's name we dare not speak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 It's fine, chill. We have a young, hungry, dynamic assistant coach now, who is also a great communicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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