Bar BS3 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: And several million pounds' worth of players more at his disposal. It could be said that he was able to attract that level of player to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, Bar BS3 said: It could be said that he was able to attract that level of player to the club. He being Mark Ashton? That said, don't really want to get into this endless debate again. The logic is all out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, Robin1988 said: He being Mark Ashton? Of course. LJ had nothing to do with any of it...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Big Red Rich said: Does that mean he's back on our payroll then?! Think his contract became null and void when he accepted the Brum job. Even if he hadn't, his contract with us ran out this summer anyhoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 32 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Of course. LJ had nothing to do with any of it...! He has an infinitely superior support structure around him, and more funds at his disposal. Even with that, he nearly got us relegated. Mark Ashton vs Keith Dawe. Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Robin1988 said: He has an infinitely superior support structure around him, and more funds at his disposal. Even with that, he nearly got us relegated. Mark Ashton vs Keith Dawe. Hmmm. Keith Dawe all day for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, Septic Peg said: Keith Dawe all day for me. You can be quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, Robin1988 said: You can be quiet. Yes boss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 31 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: He has an infinitely superior support structure around him, and more funds at his disposal. Even with that, he nearly got us relegated. Mark Ashton vs Keith Dawe. Hmmm. I've seen this line trotted out for a year with not a shred of actual evidence. I must have imagined enormous sums of money being made available for several high profile targets who didn't want to come here? In fact when has a City manager ever not been backed financially? You don't rack up £35m of debt to write off without backing your managers. Lazy argument. Especially when you bring the sale of Kodjia into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Robin1988 said: He being Mark Ashton? That said, don't really want to get into this endless debate again. The logic is all out there. MA does the negotiations with the players agents......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Robin1988 said: And several million pounds' worth of players more at his disposal. How much did Cotts attempt to sign Gray and Gayle for again...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, hodge said: How much did Cotts attempt to sign Gray and Gayle for again...? 10M+ I think plus we didn't sell an £11M striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 This thread is going to end in tears! Cotts super fans v LJ super fans!! Fight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Robin1988 said: He has an infinitely superior support structure around him, and more funds at his disposal. Even with that, he nearly got us relegated. Mark Ashton vs Keith Dawe. Hmmm. There's that phrase again.... infinitely superior. But here's some links to counteract your statement http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11706/9945257/crystal-palace-accept-6m-bristol-city-bid-for-dwight-gayle http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33974678 So Gray is £9M and Gayle would have totalled upto £8M which by my calculations is 17M plus Maguire around £3M... so thats actually £20M. More funds? I think not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, hodge said: How much did Cotts attempt to sign Gray and Gayle for again...? Steve Cotterill felt we needed Championship experience in key positions.....McGuire Grey initially then Kermogant and Gayle. SL was unwilling,at first, to pay the fees and tried to renegotiate...then agreed to the fees but not the wages they wanted. So Cotterill was - and also wasn't - backed......more a difference of opinion on the way forward and there's only one winner there, and ee all saw how bad a loser SC was after lost games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Emperor Palpatine said: There's that phrase again.... infinitely superior. But here's some links to counteract your statement http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11706/9945257/crystal-palace-accept-6m-bristol-city-bid-for-dwight-gayle http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33974678 So Gray is £9M and Gayle would have totalled upto £8M which by my calculations is 17M plus Maguire around £3M... so thats actually £20M. More funds? I think not Three top players targeted. Shame the club couldn't deliver . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, Major Isewater said: Three top players targeted. Shame the club couldn't deliver . Or maybe its a case of going after unrealistic players. They weren't interested in joining us regardless... some footballers want to play at the highest level, they had more of a chance with clubs they join or stayed at. Nothing wrong with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: If only there was a magic ball, so we could see how each manager would fare with us in the Championship and we could pick the one with the better record. Well, I've got Led Zeppelin 2 on vinyl, so I guess the job's mine! And I am at present coaching the 5-7 year olds at the local school. So plenty of experience as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, Spoons said: This thread is going to end in tears! Cotts super fans v LJ super fans!! Fight! I find it fascinating that Cotts polarises opinion so much on here....absolutely fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 4 hours ago, Robbored said: Cotterill is at his best in League 1. Any higher up and he's out of his depth just as John Ward was but at least JW admitted it. cotts never had the wedge though that johnson had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 1 minute ago, RobintheRed Red said: cotts never had the wedge though that johnson had As above, if the club had actually managed to get the players in then he'd have spent more than LJ did. Just they had unrealistic targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, hodge said: As above, if the club had actually managed to get the players in then he'd have spent more than LJ did. Just they had unrealistic targets. yes but look where those players that he was chasing ended up an how their valuation has escalated cotts was trying to move too quick for lansdown an frightened him to death with the transfer fees involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: cotts never had the wedge though that johnson had Yes he did, as above... Edit:- Just seen your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, RobintheRed Red said: yes but look where those players that he was chasing ended up an how their valuation has escalated cotts was trying to move too quick for lansdown an frightened him to death with the transfer fees involved That doesn't change the statement 'Cotts never had the wedge that Johnson had' as we had bids accepted for the players so we were offering the fees, we couldn't get the players over the line for whatever reason, and Cotts didn't have a player sold for £11m to allow for extra spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, Emperor Palpatine said: Yes he did, as above... what bought eighteen players an spent the same as johnson i dont think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, RobintheRed Red said: yes but look where those players that he was chasing ended up an how their valuation has escalated cotts was trying to move too quick for lansdown an frightened him to death with the transfer fees involved Not really though, Gray scored plenty in the Championship with Brentford... They would've commanded a big big fee which would be the norm. Gayle was a totally unrealistic target, he was never coming here. Pretty sure Cotterill admitted that once the deal was dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, Emperor Palpatine said: Not really though, Gray scored plenty in the Championship with Brentford... They would've commanded a big big fee which would be the norm. Gayle was a totally unrealistic target, he was never coming here. Pretty sure Cotterill admitted that once the deal was dead £6m rising to £9m wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, RobintheRed Red said: what bought eighteen players an spent the same as johnson i dont think so £20M for three players... Johnson spent £11M in the summer Just now, hodge said: £6m rising to £9m wasn't it? Not sure but the BBC reported a 9M deal, could've been add ons etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, hodge said: That doesn't change the statement 'Cotts never had the wedge that Johnson had' as we had bids accepted for the players so we were offering the fees, we couldn't get the players over the line for whatever reason, and Cotts didn't have a player sold for £11m to allow for extra spending. as you just stated sold kodja money for bolasie ayling cunningham all cotts players so we actually didnt spend nowhere near what we sold but brought in all young average players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: yes but look where those players that he was chasing ended up an how their valuation has escalated cotts was trying to move too quick for lansdown an frightened him to death with the transfer fees involved I suspect that is not far from the truth. I never believed Gayle would come to AG but I thought Gray was a possible and we could have certainly made a profit on him. Also, I recall Harry McGuire being linked at one point, I noticed in the press at the weekend,and yes of course it could be bollocks, that the asking price is going to be £15m+ should he move on thsi summer. I think we were 'quoted' as bidding £2.5m two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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