Full nelson Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: Okay, the bubble has burst. I don't think we have it in us to challenge this year. It's been a very fun holiday in the top six but it will end soon. Fulham, Villa and Derby are rampaging now and unfortunately we've started to bottle games. Yet, before we start to all pull our hair out, this really isn't the end of the world. We have still had a very good season indicative of good progress. If anything, we aren't ready for the Prem just now. We need more signings for depth and for our promising young players to develop. They will learn from the last few weeks. I would have killed to be in this situation last time last year, where I celebrated draws like they were wins. However, don't let this little slump get you down too much. We are a club on the up who are finally starting to get attention for what we can do, and we have proved this against some of the biggest teams in the world. Our reputation for being able to develop promising young prospects is growing, when even a few years so we were never considered in this fashion. Once that Wolves winner went in at the Gate, I knew we would have to remain patient to get to the promised land. We are still in a position off the field that the other teams in the league are becoming increasingly envious of. Sure, some might leave, yet we aren't supposed to get too sentimental about individual players as that's just how football is. Anyone furious about our current situation needs a nice dose of perspective. This is the best we have been in a decade, and perhaps we have become too entitled towards assuming we are the best thing since sliced bread. I have faith in the team and staff that they will learn from this and we will finally establish ourselves as a respectable team in this division, which as a younger fan I've never really seen before. We have come so far and it would be such a shame to ditch it all now during a poor spell. Progress yes!! But all the bad things from last season are creeping back in and clearly lessons are not being learnt, that’s worrying for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshRobin Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Will be interesting come the end of the season, if we don't do it, at which point people realised it wasn't going to happen. For me possibly the Sunderland game last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 43 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: Okay, the bubble has burst. I don't think we have it in us to challenge this year. It's been a very fun holiday in the top six but it will end soon. Fulham, Villa and Derby are rampaging now and unfortunately we've started to bottle games. Yet, before we start to all pull our hair out, this really isn't the end of the world. We have still had a very good season indicative of good progress. If anything, we aren't ready for the Prem just now. We need more signings for depth and for our promising young players to develop. They will learn from the last few weeks. I would have killed to be in this situation last time last year, where I celebrated draws like they were wins. However, don't let this little slump get you down too much. We are a club on the up who are finally starting to get attention for what we can do, and we have proved this against some of the biggest teams in the world. Our reputation for being able to develop promising young prospects is growing, when even a few years so we were never considered in this fashion. Once that Wolves winner went in at the Gate, I knew we would have to remain patient to get to the promised land. We are still in a position off the field that the other teams in the league are becoming increasingly envious of. Sure, some might leave, yet we aren't supposed to get too sentimental about individual players as that's just how football is. Anyone furious about our current situation needs a nice dose of perspective. This is the best we have been in a decade, and perhaps we have become too entitled towards assuming we are the best thing since sliced bread. I have faith in the team and staff that they will learn from this and we will finally establish ourselves as a respectable team in this division, which as a younger fan I've never really seen before. We have come so far and it would be such a shame to ditch it all now during a poor spell. giving 3.0 and 2.0 leads in consecutive games away I am entitled to be disappointed we are only human, what do you expect people to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Full nelson said: Progress yes!! But all the bad things from last season are creeping back in and clearly lessons are not being learnt, that’s worrying for me. I think that our strong start led people to misinterpret us as the finished article, while underestimating how long a Championship season really is. These are still young professionals who are unfortunately going to have results like this during their development. They have already proved that they can learn from some mistakes but they are not all of the way there yet. If this continues happening it is a cause for concern but perhaps this is just another part of the development. If we can say that after that losing streak (which was amongst the worst times I ever had supporting this club) than in time we will be saying it about this little run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, WelshRobin said: Will be interesting come the end of the season, if we don't do it, at which point people realised it wasn't going to happen. For me possibly the Sunderland game last week. Bolton away!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 LJ talked about us being 'a work in progress' again after today's match. I honestly don't think the club sees itself as ready to go up this season. I think they are happy to keep bringing in youngsters, gradually improve and see where we go. Fans who are desperate for promotion this season are not really in sync with their longer term vision. Don't expect the club to be distraught if we miss out this season. I don't think they are expecting it to happen anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshRobin Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Full nelson said: Bolton away!! I was hoping that was going to be one of those freak results and we would kick onto a good run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, pillred said: giving 3.0 and 2.0 leads in consecutive games away I am entitled to be disappointed we are only human, what do you expect people to say. There is nothing wrong about being disappointed. I was very disappointed too (especially last week) but did not let this turn into serious anger. I got dragged into the vitriol far too easily last year, and it wouldn't hurt us to frame this situation differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 I really fail to see any sense in people saying we arnt ready to get promoted, we'd come straight back down ect? How the hell would that be a bad thing? The money, and worldwide publicity will set us up to go again. It will just feel like a chance missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: There is nothing wrong about being disappointed. I was very disappointed too (especially last week) but did not let this turn into serious anger. I got dragged into the vitriol far too easily last year, and it wouldn't hurt us to frame this situation differently. doesn't make it any easier to take though does it.How a team that was so superior to the teams they were playing in consecutive games and didn't win will haunt me for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, Londoner said: Cardiff spend **** all money and have an excellent chance of it. They certainly don' have it perfect. No but they have a manager who knows how to get his players to grind out results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, pillred said: doesn't make it any easier to take though does it.How a team that was so superior to the teams they were playing in consecutive games and didn't win will haunt me for a long time. Superior? Debatable. It's a game of two halves. Sunderland were poor defensively but not bad on attack. Leeds were a good side in the second half. I think you're exaggerating, and if this will haunt you for a long time I would hate to think of the effect to your mental state when the things that were actually bad happened to this club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WECANDO Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 57 minutes ago, Cheesleysmate said: This is nothing more than poor discipline. We are repeating the same mistakes as last season. I thought we had moved on from that?!!! LJ is still learning, learning and learning. Me thinks his mind goes blank during a game but is ok when the pressure is off. Not a big fan of Warnock as a person but look what he’s doing with Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: No but they have a manager who knows how to get his players to grind out results Oh no! What have you done?! We’re not allowed to praise Warnock on here...you obviously haven’t read the small print! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: Superior? Debatable. It's a game of two halves. Sunderland were poor defensively but not bad on attack. Leeds were a good side in the second half. I think you're exaggerating, and if this will haunt you for a long time I would hate to think of the effect to your mental state when the things that were actually bad happened to this club! both teams were only any good after we conceded a goal in the second half, and for your information I have been going down to ashton gate for over 50 years, and have seen the ups and downs, the last weeks results despite not losing either of them take some beating in the disappointing stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky Boy Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: I really fail to see any sense in people saying we arnt ready to get promoted, we'd come straight back down ect? How the hell would that be a bad thing? The money, and worldwide publicity will set us up to go again. It will just feel like a chance missed. Completely agree, we had a great chance of promotion pre-Christmas. The championship is such a tough league, we were in great position to really push on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WECANDO Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 56 minutes ago, Londoner said: Cardiff spend **** all money and have an excellent chance of it. They certainly don' have it perfect. They’ve got a manager who knows the game inside out not one who hopefully can learn it in the next 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Londoner said: Perspective? We were 2nd in the league and a win for sheff Utd could tske us out of the top 6. January window the board and manager have let us down. Why have Sheffield United started being given 4 Pts for a win? That’s not fair..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, pillred said: both teams were only any good after we conceded a goal in the second half, and for your information I have been going down to ashton gate for over 50 years, and have seen the ups and downs, the last weeks results despite not losing either of them take some beating in the disappointing stakes. 'For your information', your long attendance only emphasises my point. In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing. Even in the smaller sample size of the time I have been a fan I could name numerous more disappointing occasions. Take the dog out, or go upstairs and have a w***, get it out your system and then see how you feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Newquay-Red said: Okay, the bubble has burst. I don't think we have it in us to challenge this year. It's been a very fun holiday in the top six but it will end soon. Fulham, Villa and Derby are rampaging now and unfortunately we've started to bottle games. Yet, before we start to all pull our hair out, this really isn't the end of the world. We have still had a very good season indicative of good progress. If anything, we aren't ready for the Prem just now. We need more signings for depth and for our promising young players to develop. They will learn from the last few weeks. I would have killed to be in this situation last time last year, where I celebrated draws like they were wins. However, don't let this little slump get you down too much. We are a club on the up who are finally starting to get attention for what we can do, and we have proved this against some of the biggest teams in the world. Our reputation for being able to develop promising young prospects is growing, when even a few years so we were never considered in this fashion. Once that Wolves winner went in at the Gate, I knew we would have to remain patient to get to the promised land. We are still in a position off the field that the other teams in the league are becoming increasingly envious of. Sure, some might leave, yet we aren't supposed to get too sentimental about individual players as that's just how football is. Anyone furious about our current situation needs a nice dose of perspective. This is the best we have been in a decade, and perhaps we have become too entitled towards assuming we are the best thing since sliced bread. I have faith in the team and staff that they will learn from this and we will finally establish ourselves as a respectable team in this division, which as a younger fan I've never really seen before. We have come so far and it would be such a shame to ditch it all now during a poor spell. Villa and Derby both lost this week. With better tactics, we'd still very much be in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Londoner said: Perspective? We were 2nd in the league and a win for sheff Utd could tske us out of the top 6. January window the board and manager have let us down. Same sh-t, different thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dan Robin Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Thinking about perspective is ok on the paper, but we don't have to forget that Championship is a really tough league and our club has less resoruces than most of the clubs involved. That's why losing a playoff place would be a huge missed opportunity, that could have a negative impact on our immediate future (key-players leaving, steps back, etc.). Promotion wasn't the club's target? Ok, but we need absolutely to do our best in trying to achieve it, even with all the obstacles we're finding on our way. Some players are coming back from injuries, and this will give LJ more options, so nothing is lost yet....but errors must absolutely be limited. 2 point out of 9 against Bolton,Sunderland and a struggling Leeds are not enough: our team demonstrated that is better than this, and the teams catching us - Boro,PNE,Blades - are not better than us, so there are no reasons to think that ''we can't do it/we don't deserve it''. Anyway...COYR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, Dan Robin said: Thinking about perspective is ok on the paper, but we don't have to forget that Championship is a really tough league and our club has less resoruces than most of the clubs involved. That's why losing a playoff place would be a huge missed opportunity, that could have a negative impact on our immediate future (key-players leaving, steps back, etc.). Promotion wasn't the club's target? Ok, but we need absolutely to do our best in trying to achieve it, even with all the obstacles we're finding on our way. Some players are coming back from injuries, and this will give LJ more options, so nothing is lost yet....but errors must absolutely be limited. 2 point out of 9 against Bolton,Sunderland and a struggling Leeds are not enough: our team demonstrated that is better than this, and the teams catching us - Boro,PNE,Blades - are not better than us, so there are no reasons to think that ''we can't do it/we don't deserve it''. Anyway...COYR! I think these are very good points but I also think a key aspect of whether our project is successful or not is our ability to be resilient if it doesn't go right straight away. Our ability to replace esteemed players with promising youngsters will be tested here, which ultimately has been our main goal since relegation in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, WelshRobin said: Will be interesting come the end of the season, if we don't do it, at which point people realised it wasn't going to happen. For me possibly the Sunderland game last week. Wolves at home if I`m being brutally honest - we`d been riding our luck for a while until that night when it all came crashing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Londoner said: Perspective? We were 2nd in the league and a win for sheff Utd could tske us out of the top 6. January window the board and manager have let us down. We have played one game more than Sheff U & are FOUR points ahead of them. Explain to me how they could win that game & go above us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 No matter the anger and deflation over the past 2 months, I wouldn’t change the Man Utd & Man City games for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: No matter the anger and deflation over the past 2 months, I wouldn’t change the Man Utd & Man City games for anything. Completely agree. Would hate it if it became a consensus here that they ruined our season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, reddoc said: What, mid table? Possibly top ten, great improvement on last year. Well it's true of course, but it shows too much acceptance of mediocrity, which was kind of my point. Our play off competitors are Preston and Sheff U!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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