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Here we go....Turning Off The Gas........Enjoy ?

In all seriousness though what a bunch of losers attempting to do that.

If they try to reduce the wage bill they will be in breach of the minimum wage regulations.

People were warned about the potential side effects of Johnson & Johnson. IMO the Oxford (Mr Ashton) was even more detrimental. Anyway, they're all gone now, so let's celebrate and drink up thee pfizer.

Missing: Last seen in Portsmouth, but resides in the Whorefield area of Bristol. If spotted, please contact Wally Al Qaida.

A small can of ‘RED barrel’

A few well known City tried to “reignite the gas” at Twerton on the way back from West Brom away back in the 80s. The bugger refused to burn. What an eventful away day that was.

This video requires some work. BRB ?

The trophies were destroyed. Fire brigade said total damage was thankfully very minor.

Trophies..................plural ??

These Managers aren’t stupid. Everybody knows that if you come into the Rovers job and utter phrases like “I’ll sign players who will put it in for the quarters” they just lap it up........”he speaks out gurt language, ‘ees a legend ain’t ee”. Dumbest fan base in the country bar none.

Win at Brighton to pretty much guarantee survival. Villa and West Ham play each other and the other game for the three strugglers are write offs (City Man Utd, West Ham Man City, Villa Arsenal)

We should NEVER have appointed him more like.

Very good ! I loved the quote on Points West before the MK game. "I was walking (strutting) through town and everyone was wishing me well"etc. In reality they were actually saying "You're playing a blinder ,Joey"......." Hope you stay for ever".............." You're the best manager Rovers have had this season !"

The article was wrong...they were destroyed in a small chip pan fire a few weeks before.

A can of Watney's? You'd not want a very big one.

Perhaps you got a trophy for competing in the Watney Cup. Not a very big one mind.

Yes, I think I am right in saying that Dent has won every toss so far and put the opposition in which flies in the face of conventional wisdom. The only thing I can think is that they are trying to create a run chase in the second innings, considering they have been more successful in one day cricket in the last couple of years, it would seem a reasonable tactic.

igniting gas is not the best suggestion for some of their blockheads. can see a rise in burns at the A and E from a few deluded fart burners. understanding is not one of their greatest strengths

Afaic you made it very clear you didn't like SC personally, continually saying you found him arrogant. You also said, 'I think this is the most likely appointment, sadly. For what it's worth, he'd probably do a half decent job in the short-term, but it won't be pretty. And you can be damn sure JET, Pack, Baldock, Bryan, Cunningham won't feature in his high tempo, high pressing, high ball game. This appointment will swing the club away from the long-term strategy it set in place only 12 months ago. Remember that at Forest, Cotterill took charge of 6 consecutive home defeats and 11 weeks of not scoring a goal at home. If you think the football under SOD has been lacking inspiration, you ain't seen nothing yet. So, for what's it's worth, I rate you highly as a really good poster on this forum who gets the majority of things right, but you got a lot wrong on Cotterill simply because you pre judged his likely positive impact at City on a personality you didn't like. Back to LJ at Sunderland - a defender who you say was not playing well is different to him being injured - LJ has chosen to play a midfield player out of his accepted position instead. LJ saying O'nien has fitted in very well in defence, been 'very good' so is now being preferred in that position to a regular defender. Power being played at full back, also playing well there according to LJ, is a bit like City moving an experienced dependable player like Korey Smith from midfield to cover short term. No doubt LJ has issues defensively to contend with but all clubs have injuries and Sunderland will have more resources player - wise than many of their rivals. Looks like McLaughlin may be available for the Plymouth game at the w/e, and Flanagan and Vokins back for the play offs, so it will be interesting to see if LJ picks them instead of other players who are apparently doing well in defence, in order to bolster his midfield.

And you do have to worry that someone on Glos Road or the surrounding areas thinks that 'reignite the gas' would be a good idea.....

I said it previously like 3-5 pages back I believe. I think they may struggle given the FFP rules means they have to reduce the wage bill and they signed quite a few players last year on multi year contracts. I don't think Jailbird will be able to rebuild much and it'll be a case of sign a striker and that's the budget gone.

Thank you @Mr Popodopolous, I am sure you have probably covered a lot of this in previous posts, so I apologise for getting you to summarise it all at such a late hour. If your figures are close to reality which I think is very likely then I think we are in a good position. I don't think we will "go for it" however for 2 reasons. 1. Pearson's comments about 4 to 6 windows makes me think that he has bought in to the academy and will look to bolster a squad built around the most talented, and use the profit from others to fill positional gaps, e.g. right back. 2. The deficit we are allowed to make, doesn't tally with the way SL works and that he would want us to make. At the very least I would expect us to spread any potential losses over 2 or 3 seasons. I still feel confident that we will be pushing back up the table at least.

Hi @Port Said Red I believe that we are, will be one of the better placed in this respect. Parachute clubs and Brentford (if they stay down of course) maybe better placed still e.g. The amount of Profit they make on Players- we're good but they're top IMO. As it stands currently, the Regs were tweaked but it's always possible they can be tweaked again if Governing Bodies and Clubs so desire. Pre Pandemic this could have been, in conjunction with the 2019/20 season but especially this season, could have been our "Go for it!" However clubs agreed, after UEFA made a start that 2019/20 and 2020/21 would be merged in order to try and neutralise the impact of the Pandemic. Further, Covid Costs would be added for 2019/20 and 2020/21 only as one of the items that can be disallowed from expenditure- so Accounting Loss/2-P&S Allowances-Covid Costs=P&S., Subject to EFL guidelines and externally audited I am sure. By my estimates, we lost: £25m in 2017/18- This if not for Covid would have gone by now, but is T-3 and for these purposes T-2. Believe our Allowances were £5m. PROFIT- £10m in 2018/19- add back the £5m in Allowances and that season is a £15m Profit for T-2- albeit of course for this roll up it represents T-1. LOSS- £10m in 2019/20- add back the £5m in Allowances and I've seen estimates ranging from £2-5m for Covid Costs. Point is it's either £0-3m in P&S loss which is well well within. However you then halve that and remember the Profit and Loss in 2018/19 and 2019/20 included around £38m in Profit and £25m in Profit on Disposal of Player Registrations respectively. Where we're at to 2020/21 is therefore... T-2/T-3 depending on how you want to look at it, P&S= -£20m T-1/T-2 depending on how you want to look at it, P&S= +£15m This year incorporates as said, this and last season averaged so for P&S purposes it'd be T- think regardless of Covid quite a lot of clubs would have failed to Summer 2020 if not for the rollup and averaging...we would 100% not have. The fact Covid losses are allowable means that, let's assume that all clubs have Gate Receipts and Corporate Losses ie no Concerts, Events etc wiped- and that our wage bill remains fairly static...£2m Profit on Disposal of Players so a possible P&S loss of £30m if all is wiped as it might be for all clubs- unable to sell Season tickets, Concerts etc is directly attributable to Covid. If I haven't factored in the Covid losses for 2019/20 as well then it'd be more like £25-27m P&S loss for this year. £0-3m in 2019/20 + £25-27m=£25-30m/2=£12.5-15m for this combined and averaged year. -£15m in 2018/19. Add £20m in 2017/18. In short, £17.5-20m Covid loss...but that major millstone in 2017/18 drops off and our new starting point will be the big Profit in 2018/19! The big assumption here is that the system doesn't change again but we could have a combined FFP Profit of £2.5m or average of around breakeven for 2018/19 and the combined period- which might mean we can make an Accounting loss of £54m (£13m x 3 + £5m in Allowable Costs) in 2021/22. Maybe even a couple of million more. @Davefevs estimated a while back that Cost Savings in Summer could add a further £5m in Wages and Amortisation- assuming that's the net total of all who might leave. In theory if that is accurate and my interpretation of the regs is also right, maybe we could lose as much as £64m next year and remain compliant- of course doing that and not getting up- it would completely knacker us for a while thereafter, with Player Sales, probably Embargoes if we're lucky, significant Cost Savings- swingeing ones maybe to move into compliance for the following two seasons! Could be as simple in my scenario of "Roll the dice- go for it fully, Play to win..." if we don't go up- ooh I dread to think, we're talking Reading type overspend! As in £30-35m overspend moving into the following year. P&S regs now allow for T +1 and T + 2 to be forecasted by the club, with respect to future compliance in that period.

Sleep the Clock Around - Belle & Sebastian

I was actually heading towards this thread to post a list of Championship clubs- including this and last season- who haven't yet posted Accounts to CH, and it's quite a long list! In some cases there has been EFL related Disciplinary issues, in two- Wigan and Charlton- issues with takeovers that were on and off but it's quite long! Current Championship clubs who have not: Barnsley Blackburn- Though if consolidated are Venkys London Limited that may do it, albeit that runs until March 2020 so...can be a bit difficult to reconcile though. Cardiff- Both Club and Holdings Coventry (Trades under the name Otium Entertainment- or vice versa). Derby- The Club, the consolidated and all the small companies that make up the consolidated- not for two years, so to Summer 2018 posted in Spring of 2019. Huddersfield Luton- Both Club and Holdings. QPR- Both Club and Holdings. Stoke- Both Club and Holdings. Sheffield Wednesday- Be it the Club, the Parent/controlling company- Plus Sheffield 3 Limited (Stadium Purchasers) and Sheffield 5 Limited (The controlling company of Sheffield 3 Limited). Wycombe Clubs relegated to League One- The aforementioned Charlton and Wigan. Includes Club and all associated companies. Clubs relegated from PL- Watford, plus Hornets Investment Limited. Clubs promoted last season- Fulham. That's the Club, Fulham Football Leisure and the overall top company. Swansea have and Parachute Payments though they have had, credit where it is due. A PROFIT. Cut the wage bill by 1/6 as well and the Amortisation charge now <£10m- seem fairly sensibly run, keep selling as well- see Rodon to Tottenham. A slightly longer look shows Operating Expenses cut by £111m from 2017/18 to last season- so in two years. Compared to Stoke...well though no Accounts yet, they came down the same year as Swansea, therefore on the same Parachute Payments 3 year Schedule- their results maybe skewed by Accounts ending in May so some Parachute Payments deferred to 2020/21 is possible, whereas Swansea's Accounts until July. Stoke's are interesting as they include a £43m (IIRC) Impairment Charge and the club have claimed based on media Reports and snippets in Bet365 Accounts that of that, £30m could be considered to be an excludable cost under Covid- claimed to be "In accordance with EFL guidance". That means £87m-I dunno say £3m in Revenue losses directly attributable to Covid-£30m-£7m generally stated for their Allowable Costs (ours around £5m)- that is still £47m! However as we know Impairment reduces expenses in future years, but unsure how much in this instance- and it's skewed as well because the Bet365 Accounts are to late March, in a 12 month period- therefore Stoke's Accounts on there run until late March and incorporate April and May of the 2018/19 season...so it could push their losses higher still! One thing is for sure, Parachute Payments up next year- as they are for Cardiff- and both are staying down. Stoke by dint of the rollup will be on £39m loss limits next season, this year it's about £55.5m, due to the loss limits being different in PL and Championship and some sort of Averaging out Formula...can make guesswork as to whether their loss last season was higher, lower or the same but until their consolidated Accounts out it'll be hard to say! And rather interestingly- or might be nothing- Stoke City Property has shifted its Reporting Date to 31st May 2021 as opposed to end of March. ? Could be as simple as aligning with Club and Holdings or could be part of a Plan. By (pure coincidence?) they have appointed a Surveyor who was already on Stoke City Property and Stoke City FC as one of the Directors of Stoke City Holdings. Again could be alignment...or could be an (attempted) plan.

It was the 96th minute again for Villa to conceed. To happen two games on the bounce must hit confidence if they're hanging on in the next two games Table hasn't really changed, we'll still need to win at Brighton

I don't 'dislike LJ' Harry, in the personal way you disliked Cotterill, I just don't think he should ever have been appointed City manager. McFadzean is described on wiki as being a left sided wing back. His versatility has also seen him play as a centre back. Perfect then, you'd think, for a defence with injury problems. LJ for whatever reason is apparently choosing to play midfield players out of position in defence instead of including a recognised and experienced defender. In effect choosing to weaken his defence further - a bit odd really if he's apparently down to bare bones in that area. Anyway, he's one more defender who is not injured and is available for LJ to pick.

It’d be fitting if all of us in the group, when restrictions properly ease, to do a memorial run. Pace irrelevant, time irrelevant. Just all get together, do 10k (I’m thinking start and finish at AG) and toast him for bringing it together. I get huge satisfaction from seeing what Tommy, Julian, Phil, Alex etc are doing and that’s down to OTIK. If all goes to plan in the roadmap, one week before season starts provisionally?

Waely & Jailey ?

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/portsmouth-sunderland-hull-city-free-5346086 The Bristol Post have published an in-depth article about all of the players out of contract at League 1 clubs this summer. This struck me as a complete waste of time. Shouldn’t they be looking at the players at the bottom end League 2 clubs and Conference? Is this reporter just as deluded as the fans? Why would anyone be leaving these L1 teams to drop down a division (and several levels of class) to play for Jaily Barfton and his ensemble of amateurs.

Sorry I simply don't believe this. I was under the impression that an injury list this long could only possibly be the result of an evil plot devised by Mark Ashton and implemented by Andy Rolls, and that we are the only club in the country with such a problem

Well at least they are hearing from their Chairman.

Yes, what they might call "half" (63 seasons) of 92 glorious campaigns. The other "half" (19 seasons) in the Second tier. And about a quarter in the 4th, for the Blue six fifths of Bristol.

If he is deluded then Joey Barton saying about playing 'in front of 12,000' every home game must be even more of a f@cktard than I first thought he was.

Of course not overlooking those who helped make it all possible....

His latest gem in the Blackpool Post match interview, talking about "pitch personality". He's got some crackers mind.

I'm 100% convinced if I was Rudolph, I would have already slept with Brad Pitt, Jennifer Aniston and Angelina Jolie and Stacey Penton and Mrs Hucker..........

26, or 24,000 they haven't taken into account that at that time, many people went to both grounds to watch whoever was at home. A long, long time before it become the norm to pledge allegiance to one club and one club only. Also agree that most of those attending would now be dead and buried a long time ago!! To be fair, the original gas poster was probably trying to work out an average on his hands, but got stuck after adding 1 to 1....

If they played on the street, nobody would be greatly surprised.

Update. Yesterday was an all round good day. Rovers relegated and then Swindon relegated. Between their games, I received an email from the courts advising that my divorce petition has been accepted so the ball has started rolling now. Had a Thatchers Gold last night to celebrate. First cider I've had in a very long time. Tried to stay off the alcohol but felt it was worth it last night.

We're still paying for Brian Hillier & Lou Macari betting on losing to Newcastle 5-0 in a FA Cup match in 1988?

They might as well wait until the end of the season to form an opinion IMHO. We all know he is streaky but if his streaks in L1 are 29 points in 11 games and then one in 3 that's pretty decent and will get you promoted. If on the other hand this streak runs until the end of the season then that's poor.

I find it hard to believe that you find it hard to believe this didn’t warrant an investigation when they submitted predicted accounts last March. It appears to be, once again, the application of the “big club” coefficient (otherwise known as the Villa protocol). This ensures that , despite all that the ffp rules might indicate regarding penalties for breaching ffp, no embarrassment will be caused to any “big club” ( and the EFL) in the season that they secure promotion, notwithstanding what their accounts/projected accounts might indicate. Of course, the Vila protocol was complicated by their use of the Morris manoeuvre. This is similar, but different, to the Heimlich manoeuvre - the Heimlich manouvre relieves choking on something difficult to swallow, whereas the morris manoeuvre causes choking on something difficult to swallow, namely the accepted valuation of stadium sold by an owner to himself.