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Lot of love for this…

Great point. Famously the elite are HUGE fans of challenging and changing the societies they exist in that made them elite in the first place. Famously they also want to improve the lot and life of the most downtrodden in the society, usually the ones they take advantage of to make their obscene wealth. I can see it now. The world's billionaires huddled around a table. Finally they have hoovered up 99% of the wealth on our planet and they can enact their master plan - increasing and protecting human rights, letting people choose their pronouns, and fighting racism. What planet do you live on?! This is such a stupid argument. You couldn't exist in society if you held yourself to these standards and refused to do anything that had even the most tangential relation to something you disagreed with. Given the club take the knee by your logic above you should stop supporting City?

Don’t they have the option to add points on also if the Club don’t work with the EFL. They can also save points for co-operation. If true, I’d just cancel their fixtures now. Had enough of this crap. They cheated, they know they cheated.

On Saturday, due to the saddening news of Bournemouth midfielder Dai Brooks , would anybody be interested in a clap on the 7th minute to show support for him in what will be a long ongoing battle against His Stage ii Lymphona ? It would be nice to show that despite Club loyalties etc, that as people we acknowledge and wish him well in his recovery.

This one...?

Report on Derby- John Percy. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/10/14/special-report-inside-derby-countys-desperate-battle-survival/ There is a segment from the article that causes a bit of concern- the EFL should have expected dirty tricks. They don't learn- the EFL should have been prepared for something like this and should seek to crush Derby in all honesty, hammer them from all angles. Crush the bastards. No surprise to see that pos representing them too. They are under embargo for many reasons, until no accounts at CH these remain- new owners have FFP maybe to deal with, or a 2 year embargo mooted in lieu of an agreed business plan as well as the accounts to the EFL, the P&S reasons, HMRC- the EFL need to show no mercy and give no quarter to such a horrible club with entitled fans. If the stadium goes back significantly under value, dig in over that- Derby seem to have declared war on the EFL, it's about time the EFL and rival clubs went at Derby with everything and do so until such time as their horrible entitled club learn some humility.

I read this earlier, excellent article. I remember he was one of the few players that could illicit a round of applause from the opposition fans, the crowd at Ashton Gate seemed in awe of him. I was in the enclosure and he jumped what seemed like 2 feet in the air on the touchline to flick a ball one side of Sweeney and then spin around the other side of him to pick it up again. I said on here recently that there are times when I have to check whether Foden's feet actually touch the ground, and he is one of the few players that can glide across the pitch like Cunningham did, and Cunningham could do it on the 70's mud baths.

You may mock, but I'm never leaving the house without a weapon in my pocket again...

Careful Dave. If you tolerate that miss-tagging then your children will be next

That will make complying with League One FFP easier! I'm not sure if there is any merit or not. I suspect that it will depend upon the debt to HMRC and the background to the winding up action and the withdrawal of that action, plus the funding pattern from Morris over the years and how that changed. 'Solely' is going to be very difficult to prove given the known previous financial circumstances. That is correct as far as Companies House goes, they will not pursue the accounts, but that doesn't mean that they can't be submitted. However the EFL regulations require it. So it is possible that in order to comply with the EFL regulations and come off the Embargo, accounts will have to be submitted to Companies House. I don't believe that. I suspect it was because submitting accounts would require Morris to either agree that the company was a going concern, and agree (due to the Companies Acts) to fund it for 12 months after the accounts were submitted, or accept that the company wasn't a going concern and face suspension from the EFL. I can't see any reason why the post 2018 accounts were not submitted to Companies House and the EFL with an understanding that the FFP position would be finalised after the decision on the earlier years. ... oh wait .. maybe it was because the £25 million odd amortisation charge in the 2019 accounts would have remained hidden if those accounts were kept secret ...

I like Nigel Pearson

Football fans going on about bending the knee have a look at whose taken over Newcastle. Football fans going on about three words being on banner whose taken over Newcastle!!! these woke social justice circus fans will get behind the world cup in qatar as well.

This is why Premiership under 21 sides were introduced into this cup. It's not about playing "men's level" football. It's all about showing the young players that if they don't work hard and train like their lives depended on it they could see their playing days expire in shit holes like the Mem. If that isn't enough to inspire the next generation of talent I don't know what is.

The new FFP Regulation: 1.1.2(b) with effect from, and including the Accounting Reference Period covering Season 2021/22, profit/loss on disposal of any tangible fixed asset. solves one loop hole but creates another. I would like a 1.1.2(c) which would read: 1.1.2(c) with effect from, and including the Accounting Reference Period covering Season 2021/22 no adjustment is made under Regulation 1.1.2(a)(i) or (b) where a profit on the the disposal of a fixed asset was included within the FFP calculations for a season before 2021/22, until the amount not so adjusted equals the profit so included.

It’s because it’s being used as a means to disadvantage people that are already disadvantaged, but not because of their race. As an example, Avon and Somerset Police didn’t prevent rich white men from joining, they prevented two hundred white men without any consideration for their so-called privilege or lack of. It’s appalling that this is so accepted, Colin Port should have been sacked. Instead the practice was dropped and instead Port started campaigning for a change in the law, using the same tax money paid by the people he was discriminating against. And you can argue it was only two hundred guys, but those two hundred will now be hearing nonsense about how privileged they are and how they may have troubles but it won’t be because of their skin colour. People take it personally because making sweeping statements about privilege and advantage is judging people by the colour of their skin and not the content of their character. A study in the US found exactly this. They can feel guilty if they want, but excesses of virtue are worse than excesses of vice as the former isn’t subject to the regulation of conscience.

Reminds me of that thread a few years back with that picture of some West Ham yoof posing in an alley with a range of rusty garden implements. Some of the photoshopping was amazing and hilarious - I was in tears reading it! It deserves to be the classics that one. @TomF?

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18712/bradford-tickets?page=1....early excuse again?

I agree. Scored 5 in 5 when played central at the beginning of the 18/19 season. Would have liked to see him stay there. Oh well.

In fairness if we were in the same boat I suspect most of our fans wouldn't bother to inform themselves on the numbers or the regulations. After all we still have some who insist Steve uses P&S as an excuse not to spend money. What you tend to get is a majority arguing on emotional grounds, which is not unique to Derby fans. I may think @AnotherDerbyFanfalls into motivated reasoning but at least they examine the numbers and regs to make their case, which I can respect

Just seen this on Twitter... Nigel Pearson has confirmed that all of Bristol City's previously injured first-team players, bar Antoine Semenyo, have returned to training and are in contention to play against Bournemouth on Saturday.

Is this correct? EFL regs contain an agreement to arbitrate and seem to basically forbid court action as part of their terms of membership. You could go to court but you cannot participate in the EFL. Only remedies appear to be Sections 67 and 68 of the Arbitration Act. What would happen if all 23 clubs collectively refused to play them? On another note, surely it is up to the clubs and the League ultimately on @Davefevs I thought Chansiri was bad with his "Oh? I thought it could be done" but he's got nothing and I mean nothing on these *******. Tbh comparing the two his crimes are very, very small beer. Tbh Harvey seemed awfully accommodating to him so I can even see why he thought it to an extent.

Probably the fairest way to do it if they were insisting on it happening next year, although they're probably secretly relieved that Notts didn't win the title seeing as they aren't in a position to defend it! 14 fixtures per side which means not everyone in D1 will play each other twice, although I suspect they might try and arrange it so that each team gets 2 fixtures against their 'rival' - Lancs/Yorks, Somerset/Glos etc Division One: Essex, Gloucestershire, Hampshire, Kent, Lancashire, Northamptonshire, Somerset, Surrey, Warwickshire, Yorkshire. Division Two: Durham, Derbyshire, Glamorgan, Leicestershire, Middlesex, Nottinghamshire, Sussex, Worcestershire.

Excellent news he is now fit. A midfield of him , James and HNM would be quality IMO

With Wigan yeah feeble excuse, justice seemed to have been done in the end. Having said that there were for a time wild rumours about betting in the Far East being tied to it somehow. That said on the evidence, it wasn't force majeure. Don't think the final conclusion of those claims ever got reported on.

And yet you happily associate taking the knee with events from America, and use that as part of your basis for the dislike of it. You also ignore that the people doing it have said WHY they are (the equivalent of the words on the banner), and instead focus on your perception of it. I think you're the one tied in knots here.

Got 7, 8am start on the train ... What can possibly go wrong ? ? ?

Might buy a PA system. No idea why.

id buy hms piss the league, (and a lifeboat for me,to be donated later to rnli) sail it out to the mid atlantic and blow a gert hole in the bottom of it. then id sanitise the mem and turn it into a recycling centre. ( i wouldnt need planning to turn a dump into a dump)

Yes, I remember it. Didn’t they turn up for their ‘love-in’ bottom buddies from the North East, Sunderland? I’m surprised that they didn’t go ahead with their open top bus tour of Kingswood anyway, like they did for their massive achievement of finishing 2nd in non-league football. Being the most hypocritical bunch of melts on the planet they go from ‘boycotting’ to saying “Well this is different, it’s for the kids”……….Yes, that would be the over 50 bald headed tote end monkey spanking neanderthal kids then!

Just want to say congratulations to Chelsea under 21s for winning their cup final tonight. Obviously they all want to play for Rovers, they go to the Mem, they see the fanbase there...and the pitch, they see how much money the Gas players are on and they all want to get away from Stamford Bridge ASAP and play for Horfields biggest club. #Bartonlogic #deludedmutants

Under 12s mind ?

I would buy a place in St Ives,that would be most of it gone,and spend the rest in The Three Ferrets.

He’s decent ?

I'm not sure there were any amazing revelations that came out of the fans forum. It was good for the club to arrange it and they want to make it clear that they are hoping to be transparent and open to communication with any issues that supporters have. All speakers were well trained in responding to questions so didn't say anything too controversial or revealing. Main points that I can remember: 1. No plans to move away fans from the atyeo as our fans won't want to pay to sit in the place with the worst facilities. Mark Kelly mentioned that they had Harlequins supporters in the Upper Lansdown for a Bristol match and they actually generated more noise. Also issues with segregating concourse etc if away fans moved. 2. Dan Bentley gave a really interesting answer about social media comments and the affect it can have on players and how social media companies need to do more about it. He personally is thick skinned and doesn't pay attention to views of those he doesn't respect/keyboard warriors. Also mentioned that people won't understand the demands of championship football. When asked about his own future, he has ambitions to play at the top level, hopefully with us. He has two children and has an affinity with the area. Said you'll have to ask the club about plans for him. He came across well during the q and a. Used to play up front as a kid and would love to be a striker and get the glory but obviously stuck with goalkeeping when scouted by Arsenal rather than a career in amateur football up front. 3. Weimann wasn't really asked any direct questions and was a little shier. His favourite away game as a City player was obviously Sheff United. Bentley referenced some decent recent away wins at Cardiff and QPR. Weimann is Alex Scott's taxi driver so hoping that he makes it big and remembers him in the future! 4. Both players spoke about how good the team spirit is this year and how they're all working hard to get it right. Home form not discussed/not a big issue in the changing room. Everyone keen to put it right for the fans. As senior players Weimann and Bentley would address any issues with players not working hard enough but Nigel has got them all doing this as an absolute minimum. Apparently we've out run every team this season demonstrating how fit we are. Matching the work ethic of the opposition and hopefully surpassing them is the absolute minimum expected by Pearson. Weimann felt we didn't get pre season right last year as there was only a 2 week break and it was probably felt they'd already be fit enough. 5. They wanted to put on record how grateful they are for fan support home and the extra commitment from those that go away. 6. Curtis Fleming came across well with a good sense of humour. He only spoke to Nigel once a year or so prior to his appointment as assistant manager. Impressed with the facilities at Ashton Gate/high performance centre. 7. Regarding January transfers it depends where we are in the league but suggested we'd be continuing to look for cheaper options (eg free transfers). 8. Richard Gould spoke about how parachute payments make the league unfair but that the premier League are never going to vote against it. If there's anything else that comes back to me of great importance I'll share! Also folks from Three Peaps in a podcast were definitely there so imagine they'll mention bits in future podcasts.

That won't keep them up..

She’s lying!

Ipswich away, the season we made the play off final , that match with Hull. Wife moaned I was driving too much and I should go by train. Train to London broke down, and the train to Ipswich stopped at every single station on the way. Arrived too late for the pub, missed the first 10 minutes of the game, and we lost 6-0. Train back was just as slow. Last time I listened to the Mrs.

Brighton in the Cardiff Play Off final. They we’re more interested in their ground issues than the play-off final…and we still managed to **** it up. Shocking.

Like you, I have only been to Coventry once - 40 years ago. By coincidence, I am pretty sure the away fans outnumbered the home fans - it certainly seemed like it.

I could have written the very same but i got a speeding ticket at almondsbury on way home to cap off a horrendous night...

Sadly, I won’t be at the match as I’m presently out of the country, but I think that it’s a cracking idea.

Most important question. At the end of the evening did Richard Gould run around the bar, high fiveing all the City fans?

I know you sit in the Dolman. I'm in the wings of the Dolman Saturday and my friend, non member, is paying £35. 75% increase in your ticket. That's insane. He is a football fan. Fond of City. But if we play poorly can you blame him for not coming again? No. Not much about the clubs prices attracts new fans right now. And don't get me started on our disgusting away ticket prices at the gate.

There is a lot of nonsense flying around on various boards in relation to this. So - in order to succeed DCFC need to prove that 'the relevant insolvency arose solely from a Force Majeure event'. Prove in this sense means on the balance of probabilities. So it is not sufficient for DCFC to show that they went into Administration because of the shutdown of the league, they need to show that this was the only reason. People also seem outraged that 6 years worth of accounting data has been asked for. Difficult to see how the 'independent accountant's report' as detailed in the regulations can be prepared without it, but it can always be called part of an EFL conspiracy if they so wish. However the biggest problem Derby have is the HMRC debt and the attempted winding up order in Jan 2020 and the subsequent withdrawal of that order, along with the lifting of the moratorium on HMRC winding up actions at the end of September 2021. If the club was in serious financial difficulties in January 2020, what happened to that debt and what does the correspondence with HMRC say. If it says we are not going to wind you up because of Covid but in the ongoing correspondence it says we still want our money and then the later correspondence says we can wind you up in October the appeal is stuffed. iT is a pre-covid debt that still han't been paid. The second problem is Morris. If he was funding the club at say £2 million a month, which he is allowed to do, and then cut that back to £1 million a month then that is not Covid related. So the appeal is stuffed. Oh and to say that the appeal has been brought because the Administrators know all the facts and can prove the position is nonsense. The Administrators have brought the appeal because a club with an appeal against a 12 point deduction is more valuable than a club with a 12 point deduction.

You’ll get that from both of them. They’re straight talking guys - unlike Ashton who head was up his own ass and with utter distain to us fans.

Agreed, I thought it was a good interview with “Steve”. Came across well.

If you read the article in its entirety and put aside pre conceived opinions of the CSF it’s a well balanced interview which puts A&S police in a poor light and the source of some of the misinformed reported right wing slurs made against those that were protecting the cenotaph

Some heartbreaking stories on here. The closest I came to 'proper' depression was in 2003 when I'd lost my job and couldn't find another. I began to BELIEVE that I was unemployable - I would never work again and my life was pointless. The money was running out and I had a wife and 3 kids to somehow support. I would go back to bed after everyone had gone to school (the wife was a teacher) and just try to shut out the world. I would get up again at about 11:30 and apply for 20 jobs per day online before going down the local pub for a few beers. That was my routine. The beer bit sounds nice, but it cost more money and I was racked with guilt afterwards - every day. During that awful time I had to be very strict with myself to keep going. It really was like another person in my head telling me to keep it together. Luckily, I landed work in November of 2004 and have been in employment ever since. Since then I've lost my mum and I've suffered a really serious illness myself (Sepsis), which required major surgery and I was in hospital for 6 weeks, but even through those dark times I never felt as bad as I did in 2003-4. Depression is real and can consume you if you allow it. Stay safe everyone, take care and be nice. Friends and family were my best aids during my dark days.

From Matt Slater - Athletic Every day is a school day for Derby County supporters at the moment and Thursday’s curriculum included lessons on teaser documents, preferential creditors and manager Wayne Rooney’s favourite Only Fools and Horses scene with Terrence Aubrey “Boycie” Boyce. The latter revelation came 10 minutes into the third big Derby-related interview of the day: Rooney’s pre-Saturday chat with the local press. Given recent events, there was a lot more to talk about than groin strains but the 35-year-old cannot have been expecting a request for a tribute to the actor who played Boycie, John Challis, who died last week. Like so much else that has been thrown his way of late, Rooney handled it beautifully. “First of all, condolences to his family — it’s very sad news,” he said. “I was actually watching Only Fools and Horses last night, being honest, so, yeah, there are a lot of moments in there. I think when (Boycie’s wife) Marlene got breast implants and Del Boy wound Boycie up, was one of the best moments for me.” Sad news, boobs, wind-ups… it has been that kind of week at Pride Park. Earlier on Thursday, insolvency experts Andrew Hosking and Carl Jackson held their first press conference since being appointed as joint administrators of the cash-strapped club. To their credit, they answered a lot of questions and they explained how they were appointed, what the next two weeks look like, and how fans can still help the club. They admitted that Derby’s debts were substantial but said those IOUs were now frozen by the administration process, and that any new owner could negotiate a significant “discount” on them, a change in circumstances that immediately makes the club more attractive to potential buyers. This, they claimed, is why half a dozen “serious and well-funded” parties have already expressed an interest in rescuing the business. They also said they had already met representatives of the supporters’ trust, which, under English Football League rules, has 28 days to put a bid together for the club, and had told Rooney and his players that they had no intention to start ripping up their contracts or flogging them off in a clearance sale. There were a few references to “inevitable bumps in the road” and the need to cut costs but, overall, the message was confident and upbeat. In fact, when pushed for an answer on how confident they were that Derby County could be saved, Hosking said: “Contrary to a podcast I heard this week, I don’t consider this to be another Bury. “Barristers never offer better chances than 60 to 70 per cent in any case but I think there is a 95 per cent chance this will be restructured. Look, I’m confident.” Jackson, who looked a little uncomfortable as Hosking chose not to duck that bouncer, added: “I wasn’t sure if Andrew would put a number on it but, yes, I’ll back that.” Derby, courtesy of being deducted 12 points, are bottom of the Championship (Photo: Bradley Collyer/PA Images via Getty Images) In terms of saying what fans, players and staff wanted to hear this week, Hosking and Jackson ticked every box. Money to pay next week’s wage bill? Check. No fire sale? Yep. Commitment to fulfil the fixtures? Absolutely. People still want to buy us? Sure. The press conference, however, had a different impact on the rest of the football industry. When The Athletic contacted EFL club bosses, insolvency experts and potential investors on Thursday for their thoughts on the Derby administration’s bold beginning, the responses ranged from “good luck” to “good grief”. The reasons for this are fairly simple. One, Derby’s debts are massive and a huge slice of what they owe is either secured against the property assets or has preferential status in law — getting the owners of these debts to accept pennies in the pound will not be nearly as straightforward as Hosking and Jackson implied. Two, the administrators claimed they can more than half the club’s running costs now that it no longer has to meet the obligations of any payment plan it has set up with creditors. That bit is true but nobody believes a moratorium on the debts is going to slice “more than 50 per cent” from the club’s monthly costs. The only way to do that is to let people go. The administrators have two weeks to decide who they absolutely cannot do without to put the games on or they will assume all of the club’s contracts. There is some very bad news coming down the road and it will feel like more than a “few bumps” for those on the wrong end of it. Three, nobody is looking to buy Derby County now who was not looking at them last week. The price was too high then, not to mention the future liabilities and uncertainty over which division Derby will be in next season (or the one after that), and it is unclear how much has changed. And four, the administrators admitted, almost breezily, that they need another loan to fund the club until January, which is the shortest possible window to achieve a sale this complicated. Just let that settle in for a moment. Mel Morris, the former owner, has just decided enough is enough after injecting over £200 million into Derby since 2014. The club owes almost £30 million to the tax man, £20 million to a US investment firm, £10 million to other clubs, former staff and other individuals who come under the “football creditors” bracket, who must be paid in full, and a similar sum to the usual cast of hundreds who have provided food, office supplies or their time to the club. And even after drastic cuts to the playing budget over the last 18 months, the club is still losing about £15 million a year. But the administrators say they are currently in talks with four different lenders about “short-term funding”. How and when this loan will be repaid, or what interest this lender will charge, was not explained. Later on Thursday, EFL chief executive Trevor Birch, an accountant by trade who has done a few football administrations himself, was asked if this was a bit unusual. “I haven’t used it in a football insolvency but I believe there may be lenders willing to do it if they get super-priority,” he said. We asked another insolvency expert the same question and he was less diplomatic: “It’s unheard of. They must be mad.” To be fair to Jackson, he did admit “we don’t have much choice”. Birch, however, was also asked about the administrators’ belief that HM Revenue and Customs will just have to accept whatever pennies-in-the-pound offer Hosking, Jackson and their fellow joint-administrator Andrew Andronikou can come up with. “I share your scepticism that it will be a simple situation with HMRC,” said Birch. “It’s the first administration since 2002 where they’ve had preferential status. It will be interesting to see how they vote in any (Company Voluntary Arrangement) or alternative exit route.” This is a reference to the fact that the UK government last year restored HMRC’s status as a preferential creditor in insolvencies, which means administrators can no longer discriminate against the taxman when the final divvying up of the assets takes place. If Arsenal are going to get paid in full for the money Derby owe them, so is the crown. Nobody is suggesting these are easy issues to communicate and several sources have pointed out that all football administrations look awful to begin with but usually end up with a positive result. It is also important to note that the administrators, Birch and Rooney all said they would do all in their power to save this club, which was a founding member of the Football League in 1888 and a member of the Premier League as recently as 2008. But misplaced confidence, risk-taking and attempts to hide bad numbers are all causes of Derby’s current predicament. The only way the club survives this crisis is if it is honest with itself, its fans, its creditors and its potential saviours. Otherwise, only a fool or somebody horsing about will even look at them.