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We were lucky to get away with the one thst was intercepted by Vardy. That was a gift he'd bury 8 times out of 10. Tbh if they'd scored then Max would've gone from hero to zero. But my view is - hey - if every aspect of his game was perfect he'd not be playing in the Championship. He had a generally very good game.

Apparently Mr Kitchen is aware of the obscure FA rule that says Hamza Choudhury is allowed to come flying in two footed from behind on any player, but if anyone in a red shirt does the same it's a foul.

Yes a much improved McCrorie performance from his damp squib appearances recently. Makes me think he's back fully fit again and ready to contribute.

I'd keep Conway. He's destined to score more goals than Sam. However the decision is out of our hands.

Well spotted. I did agree with you, once you changed your posts from saying "flag defacement is a hate crime" to "flag defacement can be a hate crime". But as for the second bit of your response, the law isn't there to protect the delicate sensibilities of snowflakes hurt because a near invisible and non-traditional feature of one particular football kit has changed colour. It not only is not near the threshold of behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace, it isn't in the same county, the same country or even the same frigging continent as that threshold. Not sure how a tribute to the training colours of the England 1966 kit can be insulting, but then I'm not a led-by-the-nose to be offended by whatever culture war bullshit is being peddled by right-wing media sort of guy. I don't give a shit if Nike keep it, change it back, or drop the flag altogether in a tribute to all England kits pre-2002. I'm more offended by the shirt's price and I don't generally like Nike sportswear anyway.

There was also the Danny Simpson Range The Nicky Hunt Collection Plus the Gerard Lavin Line

Not the first of defender at the club to bring out his own clothing line. There was the Louis Carey range...

There is no case law where defacing a flag is a hate crime in the UK. However, under certain circumstances, say burning a union flag on the Cenotaph, such actions could be considered incitement to a breach of the peace and therefore be illegal. Putting different colours on a football shirt would not fall under this definition.

With Bowen and Foden, you have a much more mobile, pacey England.

Funnily enough there was some bearded chap who did have it in his manifesto not that long ago, but all the sort of "proper blokes" who define themselves as patriots didn’t vote for him.

Certainly isn't historic. I attended loads of England games in the 70s and can't remember seeing many of them then. Think it crept into terrace culture in the 80s. I have zero issue with them though. It totally makes sense that they'll be at England games Equally I don't have a problem with them not being on the shirt as lots of England's kits didn't carry flags in the past. The three lions - the FA's symbol - has been the one ever present.

Don't mistake BO for testosterone, mate.

On Radio 4, Shilton referred to "the red, white and blue of the England flag"

Nike have even brought out a special edition for the likes of Lewis and others worried that the flag has gone gay due to wokeness,,,

Having worked on a contract for a very large company involved in sportswear design, I know that design teams are always looking at ways to spin things and using the cuff colours used in '66 on this rather tucked away - can't say I ever noticed it during games - flag design is just the sort if thing they love coming up with and they justify their fees through such tinkering. I'm as traditionalist as the next man, but when you realise that having a small flag on the collar only began in 2002, I can't get worked up about this. Let's face it there wasn't a flag on the England kit in '66 nor in various other classic tournaments. It's a modern imposition, so I don't care about it. Now, if they'd have ****** about with the Three Lions ...

Myth busters: the first story about the flag is not supported by any historical evidence but seems to have arisen in the 20th Century. Just call me Mr Snopes.Com

As exemplified by N Farage demanding Nike change the cross back to its original colours. Just a quick reminder of the flag Ukip used when he was leader...

Fair enough, although I think some posters fixated on the colour of the cross on the back and suggested it was disrespectful or (in one case) illegal. I haven't bought a replica kit for years as I don't think they do much for the more mature figure.

Yes, but let's remember why this became a topic of conversation in the first place. It was condemned not as a bit of graphic art but for being "woke". And you can like or dislike the kit - I'm personally not keen on anything with Nike ticks so prominent - but it manifestly isn't "woke". Unless people consider the 1966 England training camp as "woke".

The US kit doesn't feature the flag as such - and in fact most international kits don't - but they did wear this badge at the World Cup, which caused a minor meltdown from the usual suspects.

I don't think even those two pillocks care about how this minor feature on a football shirt looks. They made a fuss about it because they - and some of their short-sighted disciples - assumed the colours were chosen as some sort of homage to LGBTQ+ people. They now look stupid as it's been made clear why those particular colours were chosen, but it's embedded in the mindset of the kneejerk culture war frothers that they have to double down on everything and can never admit they've made a mistake - even when they obviously have.

Except it isn't. For us a start that flag is three horizontal bars, not a cross. Also, the Nike design has red in it and a dark blue, neither of which are in the bisexual flag. The Nike design doesn't have pink either, which is in the bisexual flag. So, in short, the only thing it has in common with the bisexual flag is mid-blue and purple.

If they've bent the rules in the Championship it doesn't seem fair to benefit their Premier League rivals by docking them points in that division. Surely easier just to get them to forfeit some of their last games in the second tier. starting, oh I don't know, next Friday perhaps...

He may not even have existed. Interesting that in addition to England and six other countries, St George is also the patron saint of farmers, syphilis, sheep, lepers and boy scouts. Make of that what you will.

Maybe have a read of this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49263379