Vincent Vega
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7 hours ago, pillred said:
No it's not, but people continually use the Liverpool/Hillsboro reporting as a stick to beat them with.
96 football fans died and they printed total lies. There has been some total shit written on this forum over the years ,but this takes the biscuit. Well done you.
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12 minutes ago, phantom said:
Dutch football has announced it's finished its season with no promotions or relegations
Interesting to see how this plays out now. Will this advance the decision by other leagues.
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50 minutes ago, hodge said:
Plymouth chairman
Hi everyone,
I thought I would write a note to update you on what is going on at Argyle, and more broadly in the English Football League, to answer some of the questions posed by this virus-induced crisis.
Football clubs are obviously suffering financially from inability to play matches – they have no revenue, yet have continuing costs, including wages, for both players and non-football staff.
At Argyle we have reduced the impact of that problem by furloughing most staff, thus taking advantage of the government support scheme, but promising to top up all wages until June 30. We chose that date because it is the end of our financial year, and the date at which most player and loan contracts end. The club will, of course, lose money over that period, and I, as the major shareholder, will finance that loss.
We have been helped in managing cash flows by action taken by the EFL and the Premier League to accelerate payments due to us, and by HMRC in allowing us to delay payments of PAYE taxes that we owe (we do not owe any VAT). We have renegotiated some payment terms with our larger suppliers, but have committed to making our own payments to the smaller, often local, businesses that rely on us.
In the longer run, we need to manage the club so that our financial future is secure. That means that we need to be able to plan for a resumption of football, and income to cover our costs. The nature of the virus, however, means that that is impossible. We simply do not know when we will be able to resume playing football at all, let alone in front of the Green Army.
We do not want to play behind closed doors and believe that a resumption of football should not take place until it is safe for crowds to come and watch. That is partly for financial reasons; we need the revenues generated on match-day to pay the players - and no crowds means no revenues, unless some other body is prepared to fund our expenses.
More importantly, if it is not safe for a crowd to watch a contact sport, how can it be safe for a participant? We would respect any individual player who said he did not want to play until assured it was completely safe.
We suspect, therefore, that this season will not be completed in the normal way - by playing the remaining matches.
Alternatives include completely voiding the season, or halting it now, with those in the promotion positions being promoted (after adjusting for games in hand, based on average points per game already earned). This would mean promotion to League One for Argyle, but, believe it or not, that is not our priority. We think this is the fairest solution to an impossible situation. Note that we do not suggest relegation based on current league positions.
In thinking about the long-term future of football and the solvency of clubs, we support increased enforcement of existing EFL rules that govern how much clubs can spend on player wages - their largest expense, and the one that most often leads to financial calamity.
We think the current system needs some tweaks, but that increased monitoring of clubs’ finances and stronger enforcement against clubs breaking the rules and spending beyond their means would go a long way to making football more financially sustainable.
We would oppose any attempt to impose a “one size fits all” limit on player wages for each club in any division. We believe that clubs with greater resources should be able to pay higher aggregate levels of wages, and/or have larger squads.
The important criterion for us is that clubs’ revenues and expenses should match, or, if expenses exceed revenues, the shortfall should be made up with shareholders’ equity (not debt).
We believe that players’ wages are contracted and that clubs have an obligation to fulfill those contracts. We would not support a collective agreement to cut players’ wages. We recognize, however, that budgets for future seasons will be drastically reduced and new contracts are highly unlikely to be offered on terms similar to those given in previous years.
In the short-term, we also think that, once football is safe to restart, the transfer window should remain open for a continuous period, enabling clubs in financial stress to realise the value of player contracts where they are no longer in a position to pay contracted wages.
We think this crisis provides an opportunity to reset English football and the financial structures that support it. So, we also believe we should:
- Restructure Academy compensation schemes, allowing clubs with successful academies to preserve the value of their players, and receive proper compensation for players who switch to other clubs in pursuit of professional contracts. Such restructuring would not only provide fair compensation, but help with the redistribution of wealth from upper echelons of the football pyramid.
- Unify all the lower leagues in the football pyramid, enabling more extensive promotion and relegation between them. The result would be more fluidity throughout the pyramid, enabling clubs to find a level appropriate to their resources, without needing to face administration and without the apparent stigma of leaving the EFL.
We do not support restructuring the league into geographically-based divisions.
We have let the EFL know our position on these issues, but recognise that we will not always have our own way! There is a wide range of opinion within the League, reflecting the wide range of individual club circumstances.
The elected Board and the executives are working hard to find solutions that are best for the League as a whole. The Argyle board accepts that the wider interest – the survival of an effective football pyramid — is the goal we should all be trying to reach.
We own our stadium, are almost entirely debt free and I am prepared, in the short-term, to provide the financial support to see us through this difficult time.
Make no mistake though, this crisis has presented an existential threat to all football clubs. We are stronger than most, but not invincible.
Thank you for your support.
SimonGreat point concerning playing with no crowd I thought, & echoes my feelings.
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39 minutes ago, S25loyal said:
Dutch football off till September
maybe people will start using common sense and working out it isn’t happening anytime soon
Where is this reported ?
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3 minutes ago, Super said:
He is right though failure to complete this season will cause chaos.
Agreed, but I think finishing it will cause chaos also. Tough call to make.
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22 minutes ago, hodge said:
Whilst I applaud his bravado, it's not up to him or his CEO. Not even the EFL have a say in when or if it comes back, do they.
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12 minutes ago, DANWRENBCFC4LIFE said:
One of them calls them the Man City of the south west! Ha ****** ha!
Had literally just read that.
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7 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:
With all the different people working on it - encouraging noises coming out of Bristol Uni too - I think one will be found sooner than that.
The issue then becomes, do we risk using it before the normal clinical trials are complete? Pain v gain becomes the question then - would it perhaps be voluntary?
Sincerely hope so. It would be amazing if Bristol was at the forefront of it. Not sure if I would gamble early personally, happy it's not my decision to make.
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12 minutes ago, T R said:
Keeping an eye on what Oxford are doing, keeping my fingers crossed.
Whilst I hope I'm wrong , I think it's at least 12-18 months for a vaccine.
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19 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said:
I didn't think of it like that to be fair. That said even if I was in that position ( hell my wife is so things are tough) the thought of a refund didn't even cross my mind.
Not a dig at you .
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9 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said:
Do people actually care? I can safely say it's not even crossed my mind. Straight to the NHS if it even gets to that point.
Well to someone who had lost their job and had no means of income , I'm pretty sure they might care.
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8 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:
People can have underlying conditions without knowing about it so who knows the truth
The post mortem would pick this up , hence how we know a cause of death. A Dr is not going to sign a death certificate otherwise.
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15 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:
Do we actually know if any/many healthy people are dying? Not sure we know much for sure at the moment.
Anyone said to have died with any underlying conditions could well have the word ‘known’ added before underlying to add accuracy
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4 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:
You will get free streaming of those matches on Robins TV. There won't be any refunds imo.
I think we'll be refunded. There will be no football this year imo.
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15 minutes ago, pillred said:
5599 new cases and 847 deaths so despite closing down almost everything socially and work related there is absolutely no sign of any slow down in the number of either. I don't know about you but I'm beginning to lose hope things will get better anytime soon, when are we going to see any benefit from the sacrifice we are all making?
Comfort yourself with the fact that someone is probably alive today because of your actions.
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3 minutes ago, pillred said:
Ridiculous isn't it the test would last as long as the next door handle you touched, would prove nothing.
This is what people are struggling with I think.
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2 minutes ago, RedM said:
We do need light at the end of the tunnel for sure, but don’t want to stumble and fall in the dark on the way. We really have to take all the measures and do this properly, if it was down to me and would be locking down stricter, certainly closing all borders and more businesses. A couple of weeks of real lock down might save us months of heartache in the future.
Yep, Westminster bridge and pictures from Stockport this morning can only spread the virus not contain it surely. Airports should have been locked down in March at the latest. Football.....forget about it imo.
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5 minutes ago, RedM said:
Yup, I agree. All these things have to be thought of. That’s why I don’t see football returning for a long while.
I agree and have said so from the beginning of this. People need something to cling onto I suppose..
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3 minutes ago, RedM said:
I remember this being discussed years ago on the Radio. Geoff 20p had a caller who was disgusted with the spitting. Geoff replied that the build up of saliva happened when you were exercising and soon it became impossible to keep swallowing it and what were players meant to do, carry tissues?!
Pre Corona it didn't bother me & having played I agree with Geoff. Another hurdle to cross though.
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2 minutes ago, hodge said:
Not sure was just a potential Idea, Munich are training while distancing atm, no player touches a ball with their hands, I would assume boots put on with gloves etc, just about getting some sort of sharpness back rather than physical contact
I wonder if spitting during football will be outlawed when we eventually return.
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2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:
Didn’t actually mean piping noise into grounds. Just from the tv studio. Definitely better than silence
Not for me thanks.
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2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:
Piping in crowd noise would be rubbish but silence would be rubbisher
If it has to be played behind closed doors so be it. But for the love of God dont make it anymore shit with fake noise.
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5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:
I can't help but think that watching football with no fans in the stadium is going to be seriously underwhelming.
We basically become armchair supporters. No thanks.
2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:It always is whenever England have to do it. Pretty sure they’ve had a few over the years away from home. Certainly one last year that was dull. They need to have crowd noise. Not difficult to arrange and turn the vociferousness of the crowd up and down according to where the ball is
Piping in crowd noise ..!
The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)
in Football Chat
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Personally if I can't go,the season is finished anyway . Bizarrely behind closed doors games make no difference to armchair fans do they. But for me if I cant actually attend with all that goes with the day itself ( Train in, meet friends, pie and a few beers .) Its pointless .
On the finishing this season at all costs . Only if it doesn't disrupt the next one is my standpoint.