Yes you're right MrBIbs, I lived in Cardiff for 15 years and drove for Cardiff Bus, the depo was right next door to Ninian Park and in the 90's there was a lot of trouble between CCFC and BCFC fans. However the trouble was not always caused by the true fans, I remember a night game when a group of well known agitators who were not from Cardiff or Bristol pulled portable fences from the industrial sites opposite the ground, as the road was closed to traffic, stood behind them and were encouraging the Police to fight them. I watched from our canteen windows as Police with riot shields confronted them. the thing was that most of the agitators where not youths, but some of them must have been in their thirties and forties. Some time later when the news reported the court cases involved, most of them were not football fans, but enjoyed causing trouble and damage at derby games and where family men. That game ended in a goal less draw and I attended with a work mate of mine, also from Bristol, in our bus uniforms and sat with the Cardiff fans. My mate said to me before the KO, don't celebrate if we score, but thankfully there was no need, as no goals scored. Crazy times!