noize Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 I am aware that you cant always take a lot from pre-season friendlies, we have seen many times in the prem, a team pre-season looks outstanding scoring for fun then when the season starts they are awful, so i get that point. However, in our situation i am really hoping we make the most of pre-season friendlies and take on some real quality teams, maybe quite out of our comfort zone. The reason for this is because i still don't think Manning has got to grips with different styles of play at this level, having a decent Plan B, and how to approach different style teams, i think the friendlies could be really valuable in getting some great experience and maybe test a few things. Basically i don't want to see pre-season friendlies with the likes of forest green rovers or standard liege, I would like to see Manning make real use of the opportunity to fine tune his tactics against decent opposition with quality players. I guess there is also a balance of you don't want to get battered pre-season and go into the season de-motivated. Not sure if people agree, or how they see pre-season friendlies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Crikey. I'm really looking forward to the end of this season. I can't even contemplate the thought of pre-season friendlies yet 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 7 minutes ago, noize said: I am aware that you cant always take a lot from pre-season friendlies, we have seen many times in the prem, a team pre-season looks outstanding scoring for fun then when the season starts they are awful, so i get that point. However, in our situation i am really hoping we make the most of pre-season friendlies and take on some real quality teams, maybe quite out of our comfort zone. The reason for this is because i still don't think Manning has got to grips with different styles of play at this level, having a decent Plan B, and how to approach different style teams, i think the friendlies could be really valuable in getting some great experience and maybe test a few things. Basically i don't want to see pre-season friendlies with the likes of forest green rovers or standard liege, I would like to see Manning make real use of the opportunity to fine tune his tactics against decent opposition with quality players. I guess there is also a balance of you don't want to get battered pre-season and go into the season de-motivated. Not sure if people agree, or how they see pre-season friendlies? I'll be keeping a close eye on the friendlies. If we give someone a bit of a turning over in one of them, we'll probably end up with their manager in a few months time... 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNQ Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 14 minutes ago, glynriley said: I'll be keeping a close eye on the friendlies. If we give someone a bit of a turning over in one of them, we'll probably end up with their manager in a few months time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 (edited) Pre- season matches are obviously very crucial for the preparations for the new campaign but the results are secondary to the real benefits of player fitness and the opportunity to use any new tactics and systems to evaluate their efficacy. Subconsciously or indeed consciously players really don’t want to get injured before the real business starts and are never 100% committed and precisely why I’ve never ever watched a preseason game. Edited April 17 by Robbored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: Subconsciously or indeed consciously players really don’t want to get injured before the real business starts and are never 100% committed and precisely why I’ve never ever watched a preseason game. If you’ve never watched a preseason game, then you can’t say that. In fact, that makes this comment the type of wild speculation that I know you hate…. 6 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 43 minutes ago, noize said: I am aware that you cant always take a lot from pre-season friendlies, we have seen many times in the prem, a team pre-season looks outstanding scoring for fun then when the season starts they are awful, so i get that point. However, in our situation i am really hoping we make the most of pre-season friendlies and take on some real quality teams, maybe quite out of our comfort zone. The reason for this is because i still don't think Manning has got to grips with different styles of play at this level, having a decent Plan B, and how to approach different style teams, i think the friendlies could be really valuable in getting some great experience and maybe test a few things. Basically i don't want to see pre-season friendlies with the likes of forest green rovers or standard liege, I would like to see Manning make real use of the opportunity to fine tune his tactics against decent opposition with quality players. I guess there is also a balance of you don't want to get battered pre-season and go into the season de-motivated. Not sure if people agree, or how they see pre-season friendlies? I’m not sure it’s the case that we should be playing better sides. Many LM supporters would say that our better performances have come against the better sides we’ve played this season and that’s probably true. The real challenge has been the teams inability to create chances against the supposedly poorer sides who are happy to sit in against us. So maybe it’s those sorts of sides we should be facing in preseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 52 minutes ago, noize said: I am aware that you cant always take a lot from pre-season friendlies, we have seen many times in the prem, a team pre-season looks outstanding scoring for fun then when the season starts they are awful, so i get that point. However, in our situation i am really hoping we make the most of pre-season friendlies and take on some real quality teams, maybe quite out of our comfort zone. The reason for this is because i still don't think Manning has got to grips with different styles of play at this level, having a decent Plan B, and how to approach different style teams, i think the friendlies could be really valuable in getting some great experience and maybe test a few things. Basically i don't want to see pre-season friendlies with the likes of forest green rovers or standard liege, I would like to see Manning make real use of the opportunity to fine tune his tactics against decent opposition with quality players. I guess there is also a balance of you don't want to get battered pre-season and go into the season de-motivated. Not sure if people agree, or how they see pre-season friendlies? How people are looking forward to an extra dose of Boring Ball absolutely befuddles me! Can't wait for this shit season to end and then that's it for me! 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 27 minutes ago, Robbored said: Pre- season matches are obviously very crucial for the preparations for the new campaign but the results are secondary to the real benefits of player fitness and the opportunity to use any new tactics and systems to evaluate their efficacy. Subconsciously or indeed consciously players really don’t want to get injured before the real business starts and are never 100% committed and precisely why I’ve never ever watched a preseason game. Coaching staff will pick up on players who are coasting through pre-season and it won’t end well for them if they think it won’t effect their chances of starting the first game of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 No one in your league will want to play you - properly at least. Prem oppo will be on lucrative pre season tours, or will demand a big fee, or send squad playets/u21s. Decent L1 teams are probably the best we'll end up with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, noize said: I am aware that you cant always take a lot from pre-season friendlies, we have seen many times in the prem, a team pre-season looks outstanding scoring for fun then when the season starts they are awful, so i get that point. However, in our situation i am really hoping we make the most of pre-season friendlies and take on some real quality teams, maybe quite out of our comfort zone. The reason for this is because i still don't think Manning has got to grips with different styles of play at this level, having a decent Plan B, and how to approach different style teams, i think the friendlies could be really valuable in getting some great experience and maybe test a few things. Basically i don't want to see pre-season friendlies with the likes of forest green rovers or standard liege, I would like to see Manning make real use of the opportunity to fine tune his tactics against decent opposition with quality players. I guess there is also a balance of you don't want to get battered pre-season and go into the season de-motivated. Not sure if people agree, or how they see pre-season friendlies? Don't get too excited but Manning will be pitting his tactical nous against the mighty Aldershot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 55 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: If you’ve never watched a preseason game, then you can’t say that. In fact, that makes this comment the type of wild speculation that I know you hate…. I don’t need to watch a preseason game to know Silvio It’s human nature, common sense if you like that players will not be 100% committed in a warm up game as they are in proper, points at stake Championship game. No player wants to risk injury prior to real stuff starting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 6 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Don't get too excited but Manning will be pitting his tactical nous against the mighty Aldershot. That game is part of the transfer deal and an opportunity to enhance players fitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 (edited) For everyone slating pre season friendlies i suggest they cast their mind back to the summer of 2017. Bobby Reid had one of the best seasons I've seen of anyone in a Bristol City shirt, he was magic as a false 9/No.10 and the only reason he ended there was on the back of his form in pre season! Glad to see he has excelled his season at Fulham despite his decision making in the final third holding him back a little. Edited April 17 by Chairman Mao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 We’re playing them at the moment aren’t we? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 28 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: No one in your league will want to play you - properly at least. Prem oppo will be on lucrative pre season tours, or will demand a big fee, or send squad playets/u21s. Decent L1 teams are probably the best we'll end up with. It's exactly this. We never field our 1st choice 11 in a friendly so if we were to get Arsenal and Liverpool down here for pre season they would be fielding unknown youth players while the Prem squad were in Dubai or somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, Back of the Dolman said: I’m not sure it’s the case that we should be playing better sides. Many LM supporters would say that our better performances have come against the better sides we’ve played this season and that’s probably true. The real challenge has been the teams inability to create chances against the supposedly poorer sides who are happy to sit in against us. So maybe it’s those sorts of sides we should be facing in preseason Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Got Aldershot ain’t we? Would love my lad to be mascot as nice n local for me and his family, easy to get to for all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 If you want decent opposition that might be happy to play us and is realistic to the style of play we will encounter in the Championship then get up to Scotland and play against Rangers and Celtic......... We will obviously have the usual Newport, Cheltenham, Swindon and Exeter fixtures with Aldershot sprinkled in. If people want a Prem team at the Gate the pond we would be fishing in would include Luton, Palace, Forest and Bournemouth. The problem with playing Prem teams is they all want you to cover their expenses for the "privilege" of playing them (which probably won't be covered by 7K watching us play Luton). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, Back of the Dolman said: I’m not sure it’s the case that we should be playing better sides. Many LM supporters would say that our better performances have come against the better sides we’ve played this season and that’s probably true. The real challenge has been the teams inability to create chances against the supposedly poorer sides who are happy to sit in against us. So maybe it’s those sorts of sides we should be facing in preseason The problem is picking the right sides. Top end of League 1 is the nearest we'll get in terms of opposition being good enough to sit in and give us a challenge (Oxford maybe............). Edited April 17 by Numero Uno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNQ Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Perhaps we should play against the cream of the south west to get numbers in and fan engagement… Cheltenham, FGR, Plymouth, Exeter, Manor Farm etc. Can’t think of anyone else that I may have missed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 1 minute ago, FNQ said: Perhaps we should play against the cream of the south west to get numbers in and fan engagement… Cheltenham, FGR, Plymouth, Exeter, Manor Farm etc. Can’t think of anyone else that I may have missed.. Weston Super Mare is an obvious miss, Clifton St Vincents, De Veys and Totterdown United..............I think that covers it in terms of decently supported opposition in this region. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Expect to see Oxford United on the list which, if away I'd go to as a new ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devoncider Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 12 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Weston Super Mare is an obvious miss, Clifton St Vincents, De Veys and Totterdown United..............I think that covers it in terms of decently supported opposition in this region. you forgot Rovers... ...always wanted to see us play Willand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham76 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 (edited) I remember when we played Ajax in a pre season friendly at the gate. Suarez scored a wonder goal Edited April 17 by Graham76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 FWIW Nige had a different approach to a lot of managers / head coaches for pre-season. Get the players away to do the hard yards, no euro friendly games, basically bonding and getting the players fit. Then a series of friendlies interspersed with training to refine fitness and tactics. He didn’t want to waste time abroad prepping for friendlies and the lost time afterwards. Its not necessarily right or wrong, just different. Will be interesting to see how LM goes about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 (edited) 4 hours ago, Numero Uno said: If you want decent opposition that might be happy to play us and is realistic to the style of play we will encounter in the Championship then get up to Scotland and play against Rangers and Celtic......... We will obviously have the usual Newport, Cheltenham, Swindon and Exeter fixtures with Aldershot sprinkled in. If people want a Prem team at the Gate the pond we would be fishing in would include Luton, Palace, Forest and Bournemouth. The problem with playing Prem teams is they all want you to cover their expenses for the "privilege" of playing them (which probably won't be covered by 7K watching us play Luton). Can you imagine the meltdown on here if some posters found out we we paying Bournemouth or Luton to play us. Apoplectic. Edited April 17 by Sleepy1968 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noize Posted April 17 Author Report Share Posted April 17 6 hours ago, Back of the Dolman said: I’m not sure it’s the case that we should be playing better sides. Many LM supporters would say that our better performances have come against the better sides we’ve played this season and that’s probably true. The real challenge has been the teams inability to create chances against the supposedly poorer sides who are happy to sit in against us. So maybe it’s those sorts of sides we should be facing in preseason This is a really good point, something i had not considered, you are right. The teams we have struggled with this season are the "park the bus" type teams, really difficult to break down and find some creativity, Maybe that should be some of the focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Just now, noize said: This is a really good point, something i had not considered, you are right. The teams we have struggled with this season are the "park the bus" type teams, really difficult to break down and find some creativity, Maybe that should be some of the focus. Who do people suggest though? Unless you can find a high end League 1 side that play that way you are reduced to playing teams like Forest Green that park the bus and you beat them 6-0 anyway. Nothing learned whatsoever, just a nice run-out for everyone. No Premier League side will come down and park their bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noize Posted April 17 Author Report Share Posted April 17 4 hours ago, Numero Uno said: If you want decent opposition that might be happy to play us and is realistic to the style of play we will encounter in the Championship then get up to Scotland and play against Rangers and Celtic......... We will obviously have the usual Newport, Cheltenham, Swindon and Exeter fixtures with Aldershot sprinkled in. If people want a Prem team at the Gate the pond we would be fishing in would include Luton, Palace, Forest and Bournemouth. The problem with playing Prem teams is they all want you to cover their expenses for the "privilege" of playing them (which probably won't be covered by 7K watching us play Luton). If it was possible,. Rangers or Celtic are a good shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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