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The County Cricket Thread


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18 minutes ago, hodge said:

'The crossbow incident at The Oval meant Middlesex were denied the chance to improve their over-rate in the remainder of the final session'

THEY WERE ******* BATTING! HOW THE **** DO YOU IMPROVE YOUR OVER RATE WHILE BATTING!

Apologies for the caps :shutup:

I mentioned this to a Middlesex mate of mine and he came back with we were 7 down and likely to bowl again. I replied that they had a batsman set on 120 odd and an opener still at the crease. He changed the subject.

No leg to stand on

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from cricinfo

"Although they were batting at the time, they state they intended to declare within a few overs and had ample time to bowl the overs required with the weather set fair. They also claim that they were assured by match officials, at the time of the abandonment, they would face no such penalty".

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11 minutes ago, Super said:

from cricinfo

"Although they were batting at the time, they state they intended to declare within a few overs and had ample time to bowl the overs required with the weather set fair. They also claim that they were assured by match officials, at the time of the abandonment, they would face no such penalty".

Ridiculous. If the points scenario was different going into the final games, Somerset could have approach matches differently to obtain more batting or bowling points. It's getting a little ridiculous. 

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17 minutes ago, Coppello said:

Ridiculous. If the points scenario was different going into the final games, Somerset could have approach matches differently to obtain more batting or bowling points. It's getting a little ridiculous. 

Would think this will be Somerset's case if ECB even seriously consider the appeal

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41 minutes ago, Super said:

from cricinfo

"Although they were batting at the time, they state they intended to declare within a few overs and had ample time to bowl the overs required with the weather set fair. They also claim that they were assured by match officials, at the time of the abandonment, they would face no such penalty".

I just had a quick look on Cricinfo, looking for a second opinion following the BBC article, but the latest Somerset-related article I could find was about the return of Andy Hurry and Jason Kerr - the most recent article about Middlesex appealing was George Dobell's on 29 September.   

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2 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I just had a quick look on Cricinfo, looking for a second opinion following the BBC article, but the latest Somerset-related article I could find was about the return of Andy Hurry and Jason Kerr - the most recent article about Middlesex appealing was George Dobell's on 29 September.   

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20987479/middlesex-appeal-heard-says-ecb

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43 minutes ago, Coppello said:

Ridiculous. If the points scenario was different going into the final games, Somerset could have approach matches differently to obtain more batting or bowling points. It's getting a little ridiculous. 

 

24 minutes ago, hodge said:

Would think this will be Somerset's case if ECB even seriously consider the appeal

Exactly.

Just one extra point would have sufficed to avoid this scenario and Somerset were 14 runs short of that extra batting point vs Middlesex.

Notwithstanding the fact we are talking about Middlesex, would the ECB not accept that, had we known at the time just how important that extra batting point was to prove, a little bit more effort might have been applied to bat for those extra 14 runs?

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2 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

 

Exactly.

Just one extra point would have sufficed to avoid this scenario and Somerset were 14 runs short of that extra batting point vs Middlesex.

Notwithstanding the fact we are talking about Middlesex, would the ECB not accept that, had we known at the time just how important that extra batting point was to prove, a little bit more effort might have been applied to bat for those extra 14 runs?

Or just 2 more runs against Yorkshire 

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Good that Somerset are making it publicly known they're prepared to go all the way over this, clear message sent to the ECB. I'm starting to think more that we'll be told by the ECB they've decided its best that county cricket went back to 9 teams in each division. 

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If the ECB had the audacity to give those points back to Middlesex wouldn't that open the floodgates to all other teams deducted points on the grounds that in hindsight they would all have played differently if they'd known what the outcome was going to be. Middlesex, irrespective of the crossbow incident had already "broken the rules". Wonder what their plan C will be?

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5 hours ago, Midred said:

If the ECB had the audacity to give those points back to Middlesex wouldn't that open the floodgates to all other teams deducted points on the grounds that in hindsight they would all have played differently if they'd known what the outcome was going to be. Middlesex, irrespective of the crossbow incident had already "broken the rules". Wonder what their plan C will be?

Threaten to refuse to allow any England matches or finals at Lord`s until they are returned to their rightful place in the cricketing hierarchy.

Oh, and to exempt Middlesex from ever being relegated again in the future.

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Middlesex have failed in their appeal against a two-point deduction in the County Championship, confirming their relegation from Division One.

The punishment came for their slow over rate during August's match at Surrey, which was abandoned when a crossbow bolt was fired into The Oval.

Middlesex finished one point below Somerset, who were ready to take legal action if the appeal was successful.

Middlesex, county champions in 2016, will play in Division Two next season.

The Cricket Discipline Commission ruled that the matter did not need referring to a disciplinary panel hearing as "rules relating to over rates are clear and understood by all teams, coaches, players, and captains."

How did we get to this point?

Middlesex were deducted two points after the crossbow incident at The Oval denied them the chance to improve their over rate in the remainder of the final session of that match.

After the punishment was announced on 9 September, Middlesex chief executive Richard Goatley said there was "no scope" for an appeal, despite the fact he was "extremely disappointed" by the decision.

Middlesex went on to lose their final game of the season at Somerset, who leapfrogged the 2016 champions with victory at Taunton to seal their own survival.

A day after their relegation, managing director of cricket Angus Fraser told BBC Radio London they would raise the circumstances of the deduction with the ECB.

Middlesex confirmed they had "made submissions to the chairman of the CDC over the issue" last week.

The final decision

Cricket Discipline Commission chairman Tim O'Gorman said: "Middlesex have sought to argue that it was only because of the abandonment of the game that they did not make up their overs, but that cannot be entirely correct.

"There was no guarantee that, if the game had run its normal course, those overs could ever have been made up.

"I do not accept that Middlesex only agreed to the abandonment of the match on condition that their slow over rate in the first innings would be overlooked.

"It is not within the power or gift of either the umpires or the players to make deals like that.

"The match was abandoned for safety reasons. Play ended accordingly and the points earned or deducted should stand with effect from that time."

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Somerset County Cricket Club have welcomed the Cricket Discipline Commission’s decision to uphold Middlesex County Cricket Club’s two point deduction.

The Cricket Discipline Commission (CDC) today announced that it had upheld the deduction from Middlesex CCC for a slow over rate in their Specsavers County Championship match against Surrey at the Kia Oval in August.

Following today’s decision Somerset CEO Lee Cooper said: “We were confident that the ECB’s original decision would stand and we are delighted with the outcome.

“We are pleased that this has now been put to rest and we can concentrate on preparing for next season in the First Division of the Specsavers County Championship.

“I would like to take this opportunity to thank the ECB for the swift resolution of this matter.”

Over-rate penalties are automatically applied in the First-Class game under Playing Condition 16.4 with no right of appeal. However, due to the exceptional circumstances surrounding this fixture, the ECB and Middlesex agreed to send submissions to the CDC Chairman, Tim O’Gorman, for his consideration. Having considered these submissions, he was satisfied that this was not a matter that should be referred to a Disciplinary Panel Hearing.

In reaching his decision, Mr O’Gorman said: “It is in the interests of the whole game that arrangements are put in place to prevent slow over rates, and it is noted that the requirement of 16 overs per hour is a minimum rate.

“The rules relating to over rates are clear and understood by all teams, coaches, players, and captains. Although it may be common practice that teams will seek to make up time later in a match, even in the second innings, if they seek to do this they must also be aware that approaching their over rate in such a way carries with it an inherent risk. If, for any reason, they are unable to make the time up, the appropriate sanction will be imposed. Middlesex have sought to argue that it was only because of the abandonment of the game that they did not make up their overs but that cannot be entirely correct. There was no guarantee that, if the game had run its normal course those overs could ever have been made up.

“I do not accept that Middlesex only agreed to the abandonment of the match on condition that their slow over rate in the first innings would be overlooked. It is not within the power or gift of either the umpires or the players to make deals like that. The match was abandoned for safety reasons. Play ended accordingly and the points earned or deducted should stand with effect from that time.”

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