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DavidNoble

DERBY COUNTY WEST STAND UPPER

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Hey gang, 

I have some friends that are coming down next weekend and would like to take in the City game.

I've just checked online and although there are a fair few seats available in the Dolman stand, I'd much rather go in the West Stand upper with them.

At the moment there are approx 220 tickets remaining in the West Stand lower, 57 tickets remaining in the South Stand, 540 tickets remaining in the Dolman (with 214 of those tickets being on a wing) whilst the Atyeo is sold out. That means we have about 800 tickets left for sale.

Will the club wait until we completely sell these tickets out or will the upper tier go on sale earlier?

 

ii) also, does anyone know what our capacity is excluding the Upper West Stand. If the overall capacity is 27,000 & I'm guessing the upper tier gives us an extra 7,000 then it'd be around 20,000? If so then with 800 tickets left then we've already got 19,000 for the game. 

 

anyway, yeah, when will the upper tier go on sale pls? xxxxx

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Make sure you don't drink too much David if you make it up there, I know how much you like the booze, it's rather steep. 

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I'm sure that I read somewhere that the capacity of the LS upper is around 4,500 giving us a total lower capacity of 22,500. I stand to be corrected though.

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I asked what the criteria was for opening the top tier in the Q&A, but the question was ignored.

I do think it would be helpful to know, so people know exactly where they stand in cases like the original poster has described.

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I tried to get two tickets together last night and had to make do with the Dolman as didn't want to risk waiting on the off chance they might open the upper west. 

A bit annoying but it what it is I guess

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6 minutes ago, arrytheb said:

had to make do with the Dolman

And we're delighted to have you!

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19 minutes ago, Olé said:

And we're delighted to have you!

That sounded really snobby didn't it! :facepalm:Didn't mean it like that at all, I was just asked to get them in the West stand and knowing there are 1000's of empty seats in there and that they might get released after purchasing mine is a tad annoying. 

I do love the Dolman and all those who reside in it! (Until 4.40 :whistle:)

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3 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I asked what the criteria was for opening the top tier in the Q&A, but the question was ignored.

I do think it would be helpful to know, so people know exactly where they stand in cases like the original poster has described.

It's typical 'wooliness' from Kelly 'n co.... Very odd as they don't seem to have a policy-why would you not?

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2 hours ago, arrytheb said:

That sounded really snobby didn't it! :facepalm:Didn't mean it like that at all, I was just asked to get them in the West stand and knowing there are 1000's of empty seats in there and that they might get released after purchasing mine is a tad annoying. 

I do love the Dolman and all those who reside in it! (Until 4.40 :whistle:)

I am actually choosing to sit in the Dolman for my games this season (member not STH).  Apart from being a bit cheaper, I prefer to have the West Stand as the backdrop to the action, rather than the Dolman!

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Ah, the mystery of the upper West Stand continues; will they, won't they go on sale, no one ever really knows.

For what it's worth, unless the upper tier fills up around you, then you feel removed from the action of the game, you lose the pulse of the match taking place below.

Definitely better experience to sit in the lower bowl of the ground.

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Myself and several people in work are waiting to buy several tickets but the tickets available are either singles or at the bottom of the stands. Speaking to the club office, they will only open up the top tier if all these tickets are sold or just singles are left. How much business are they missing out on with people choosing not to purchase due to the location of the seats available? I know of 10 tickets they could sell on one bank of desks in work!! The reluctance to open the stand is due to the costs of stewarding and concession stands. Surely if they only sell limited tickets, they don't need to open extra concessions and I can't believe the stewarding costs are prohibitive. It was difficult to get tickets when the building work was taking place and it isn't a lot easier now, despite having 27,000 seats. Very frustrating. It looks like I will be missing Saturday's game and possibly more whilst this policy remains. 

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The Upper tier still hasn't got a safety certificate yet (don't ask me why) so the club cant make a big deal out of it yet , special dispensation was given by the relevant authority for the Newcastle game, which was reduced for the Villa game. I guess when the entire stand is 100% finished from the changing rooms up we may attain the required safety certificate to open the whole stand. personally I don't understand how a 'brand new build' which has the most stringent of building regulations would then be subject to capacity restraints but that's H & S for you .

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2 minutes ago, EASTEND WURZEL said:

The Upper tier still hasn't got a safety certificate yet (don't ask me why) so the club cant make a big deal out of it yet , special dispensation was given by the relevant authority for the Newcastle game, which was reduced for the Villa game. I guess when the entire stand is 100% finished from the changing rooms up we may attain the required safety certificate to open the whole stand. personally I don't understand how a 'brand new build' which has the most stringent of building regulations would then be subject to capacity restraints but that's H & S for you .

I totally understand if this is the case but could the club just come out and make a statement that this is the case.

People are saying that they won't because it would be 'embarrassing' to admit that it isn't ready yet but isn't it more important that they're open and honest with the fans.

We've also decided not to go now because of this very reason that all remaining seats are singles or with poor views and some of my mates from Bristol probably won't fancy going again now.

 

Also, I don't buy the fact that they don't open the upper tier because of the cost of stewarding and kiosks. Obviously we don't want a Coventry situation with everyone dotted around everywhere but when the lower bowl is 90% sold out they should definitely open the upper tier. To open up one kiosk and have 5/6 stewards probably costs £500 yet the ticket and sales revenue (food/drink/programmes etc.) will bring this back.

I dunna, I just think the club needs to comment on the procedure of when they'll open the upper tier and when the stand will be fully operational.

 

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4 minutes ago, DavidNoble said:

I totally understand if this is the case but could the club just come out and make a statement that this is the case.

People are saying that they won't because it would be 'embarrassing' to admit that it isn't ready yet but isn't it more important that they're open and honest with the fans.

We've also decided not to go now because of this very reason that all remaining seats are singles or with poor views and some of my mates from Bristol probably won't fancy going again now.

 

Also, I don't buy the fact that they don't open the upper tier because of the cost of stewarding and kiosks. Obviously we don't want a Coventry situation with everyone dotted around everywhere but when the lower bowl is 90% sold out they should definitely open the upper tier. To open up one kiosk and have 5/6 stewards probably costs £500 yet the ticket and sales revenue (food/drink/programmes etc.) will bring this back.

I dunna, I just think the club needs to comment on the procedure of when they'll open the upper tier and when the stand will be fully operational.

 

Im sure I heard somewhere that if the West Upper was open to even a small number of fans then the club has to provide stewarding for the entire stand. Writing it down it sounds ridiculous and im sure thats not the case but can anyone clear this up?

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On 12 September 2016 at 09:59, arrytheb said:

I tried to get two tickets together last night and had to make do with the Dolman as didn't want to risk waiting on the off chance they might open the upper west. 

A bit annoying but it what it is I guess

That's the attitude that Rovers fans have & look how it's turnt out for them.

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How do they test it with ramp up events if they dont open it? Surely these sort of games with £1 per kid etc are ideal. So if we don't sell enough tickets to open it, then beat Fulham in the cup and get drawn at home to a top Prem club. Will they expect the H&S to just let them fill it?

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1 minute ago, Robin 101 said:

Im sure I heard somewhere that if the West Upper was open to even a small number of fans then the club has to provide stewarding for the entire stand. Writing it down it sounds ridiculous and im sure thats not the case but can anyone clear this up?

That's mad if true. Although I'm sure that I've seen other clubs don't have to do this when at away game. Particularly Wolves which springs to mind, they used to use the lower tier of one of their stands to let school kids in for free and would only have a handful of stewarding.

I also think that it's a shame that the absolute best disabled seats are up there yet aren't available all the time and instead they have to use the front row disabled seats when front row seats aren't the best for viewing the whole game. Of course it's a million times better than the disabled facilities that we used to have but I still think they can be used even better.

It sounds like I'm knocking the club, I'm really not. I understand it's a big development and there will be issues of course there will be but I guess I hope that some of them at Bristol Sport read this forum and see where they can improve.

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On 12 September 2016 at 07:54, ChippenhamRed said:

I asked what the criteria was for opening the top tier in the Q&A, but the question was ignored.

I do think it would be helpful to know, so people know exactly where they stand in cases like the original poster has described.

Don't quite know why people are still getting so worked up about the top tier.

The policy seems simple enough, when enough tickets are sold in the 'lower' areas of the ground, they open up the top. That number changes dependant on the circumstances of the game and H and S requirements.

Why don't they just open it fully every game? Well A) From an atmosphere point of view, BCFC don't want the fans scattered around and B) unless enough fans go up there the costs of opening and stewarding it can outweigh the benefit.

All seems simple enough to me, unless I'm completely missing the point.

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4 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Don't quite know why people are still getting so worked up about the top tier.

The policy seems simple enough, when enough tickets are sold in the 'lower' areas of the ground, they open up the top. That number changes dependant on the circumstances of the game and H and S requirements.

Why don't they just open it fully every game? Well A) From an atmosphere point of view, BCFC don't want the fans scattered around and B) unless enough fans go up there the costs of opening and stewarding it can outweigh the benefit.

All seems simple enough to me, unless I'm completely missing the point.

The issues is how many tickets is 'enough' for them to then release the upper tier.

As others have said many of the seats now are dotted around with no more than 3 seats together and aren't with the best view which puts people off.

You end up having people 'gambling' on the upper tier being opened so that they can all sit together with their mates or at least have a decent view.

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6 minutes ago, DavidNoble said:

The issues is how many tickets is 'enough' for them to then release the upper tier.

As others have said many of the seats now are dotted around with no more than 3 seats together and aren't with the best view which puts people off.

You end up having people 'gambling' on the upper tier being opened so that they can all sit together with their mates or at least have a decent view.

This.

Imo, the top tier should be opened when there are fewer than 1,000 tickets left in the lower bowl - and certainly when there are fewer than 500 left. At the moment there are about 300 left (all, as David says, in poor viewing positions) and the top tier still isn't open.

The club are losing out on ticket sales here. Supply creates its own demand, and they are artificially constricting supply. It's daft.

 

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7 minutes ago, DavidNoble said:

The issues is how many tickets is 'enough' for them to then release the upper tier.

As others have said many of the seats now are dotted around with no more than 3 seats together and aren't with the best view which puts people off.

You end up having people 'gambling' on the upper tier being opened so that they can all sit together with their mates or at least have a decent view.

Well as I said, that number no doubt changes per game and with the safety certificates is vague at the moment. 

It's got to be financially beneficial to the club and clearly they don't think the demand are there yet for the Derby game. Only they know how many phone calls they get asking about it, we can only speculate. They are not going to open it for one group of 10 guys who want to sit together.

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10 minutes ago, husshen said:

This.

Imo, the top tier should be opened when there are fewer than 1,000 tickets left in the lower bowl - and certainly when there are fewer than 500 left. At the moment there are about 300 left (all, as David says, in poor viewing positions) and the top tier still isn't open.

The club are losing out on ticket sales here. Supply creates its own demand, and they are artificially constricting supply. It's daft.

 

In your opinion, what are the poor viewing areas? Because I can't think of many 'poor' views in Ashton Gate now. It comes down to preference, if you prefer to be side on and behind the goal. I wouldn't say the corners are poor views.

Often there are more seats left than the website suggests as they have released them in batches.

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16 minutes ago, DavidNoble said:

The issues is how many tickets is 'enough' for them to then release the upper tier.

As others have said many of the seats now are dotted around with no more than 3 seats together and aren't with the best view which puts people off.

You end up having people 'gambling' on the upper tier being opened so that they can all sit together with their mates or at least have a decent view.

Exactly this, and that's why I asked the question on the Q&A.  The clarity would be helpful.

1 minute ago, Alessandro said:

Well as I said, that number no doubt changes per game and with the safety certificates is vague at the moment. 

It's got to be financially beneficial to the club and clearly they don't think the demand are there yet for the Derby game. Only they know how many phone calls they get asking about it, we can only speculate. They are not going to open it for one group of 10 guys who want to sit together.

The safety certificate is a side issue because it's only relevant temporarily; I think what we are talking about here is the general long-term plan for top tier use.  I don't think anyone is suggesting they should open the top tier for one group of 10 people - but if that group were able to make an informed decision on whether they should wait for the top tier, or settle for split seats in the lower bowl, that would be helpful.  At the moment we have no understand of the club's policy towards opening the top tier and in particular how many seats have to be sold before it is opened.

@Mkelly your input here would be appreciated (also see my unanswered question in the Q&A).

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28 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Don't quite know why people are still getting so worked up about the top tier.

The policy seems simple enough, when enough tickets are sold in the 'lower' areas of the ground, they open up the top. That number changes dependant on the circumstances of the game and H and S requirements.

Why don't they just open it fully every game? Well A) From an atmosphere point of view, BCFC don't want the fans scattered around and B) unless enough fans go up there the costs of opening and stewarding it can outweigh the benefit.

All seems simple enough to me, unless I'm completely missing the point.

I think most of us already fully appreciate your reasons A) and B) and indeed I support the club's decision to reserve the top tier for overflow only.  But that's not quite the point being made here.

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I can't believe that people would wait for the top tier to open or not buy tickets..! 

We've never had that tier there before, pretty much any seat in the stadium has a good view now and the club have made it very clear that the top tier won't be opened until it's required. If there are seats left elsewhere, then it's not required..!

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1 hour ago, husshen said:

This.

Imo, the top tier should be opened when there are fewer than 1,000 tickets left in the lower bowl - and certainly when there are fewer than 500 left. At the moment there are about 300 left (all, as David says, in poor viewing positions) and the top tier still isn't open.

The club are losing out on ticket sales here. Supply creates its own demand, and they are artificially constricting supply. It's daft.

 

Doesn't that mean we are way over 20K again then, with a 22,500 lower bowl, or is the Lansdown lower tier still not up to 100%?

Once it's all in full usage, surely the club will have a figure in mind (guessing at 18K home fans, ie 21,500 in total) which triggers the opening of the top tier but how do they publish this? Also, if the figure is getting near any 'trigger' figure, wouldn't a lot of people suspend their purchase waiting for the top tier meaning we don't reach the 'trigger' point?

On 'stewarding for the whole stand if the upper is open', I would assume we have stewards in the lower tier anyway so it's not much of a raise in cost is it?

I'm not disagreeing with anyone BTW, just asking the questions. What I would say is that if I wanted to watch a game (luckily I'm a SC holder), I wouldn't miss it because certain seats weren't available, I would move heaven and earth to get a ticket. WTGR would you do that if it was a PO semi (I know it would be open for a game like that anyway)?

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19 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

No doubt there will still be blocks of empty seats in the middle of the lower Landsdown stand. Doesn't look that good from the Dolman!

That looks really bad from the Dolman, I agree. What are those seats, corporates or club Lansdown or something? They're certainly available for the rugby as my next door neighbour sits there and pays less than I do for football in the Dolman.

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18 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said:

That looks really bad from the Dolman, I agree. What are those seats, corporates or club Lansdown or something? They're certainly available for the rugby as my next door neighbour sits there and pays less than I do for football in the Dolman.

I though they were exactly those you state, but aren't going to be fully occupied until the facilities to support them are available ... could be wrong though.

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42 minutes ago, Palmers Green Red said:

I though they were exactly those you state, but aren't going to be fully occupied until the facilities to support them are available ... could be wrong though.

COYR

That makes sense Palmers and explains why my neighbour is paying a lower price as, I assume, they're normal seats (i.e not corporate) for the rugby.

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47 minutes ago, Palmers Green Red said:

I though they were exactly those you state, but aren't going to be fully occupied until the facilities to support them are available ... could be wrong though.

COYR

That's right. They are for corporate & hospitality packages in the Lansdown restaurants. 

These are only currently running st about 50% capacity, hence the empty seats. 

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On 9/12/2016 at 07:54, ChippenhamRed said:

I asked what the criteria was for opening the top tier in the Q&A, but the question was ignored.

I do think it would be helpful to know, so people know exactly where they stand in cases like the original poster has described.

It would be nice if the new SLO would come on here and explain the situation. It's a part of her job description to communicate with fans on social media and have discussions and dialog with us unless the club have told her not to which is against the rules. 

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5 hours ago, Griffin said:

That's the attitude that Rovers fans have & look how it's turnt out for them.

Um okay I'll write a strongly worded letter to someone then. That'll learn them!! 

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4 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I can't believe that people would wait for the top tier to open or not buy tickets..! 

We've never had that tier there before, pretty much any seat in the stadium has a good view now and the club have made it very clear that the top tier won't be opened until it's required. If there are seats left elsewhere, then it's not required..!

So you'd be happy to sit in the front row behind the net, split up from your friends, while all those seats remain unoccupied in the top tier?

It's not as simple as you like to make out.

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1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said:

So you'd be happy to sit in the front row behind the net, split up from your friends, while all those seats remain unoccupied in the top tier?

It's not as simple as you like to make out.

Are those the only seats left..? No. 

To get a group of 10 people sat together at any event, you book early or you cope with splitting up. 

The top tier isn't open because it's not financially viable when there are 1/2/3,000 seats still empty in the rest of the ground. 

It seems fairly simple, really..!

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2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Are those the only seats left..? No. 

To get a group of 10 people sat together at any event, you book early or you cope with splitting up. 

The top tier isn't open because it's not financially viable when there are 1/2/3,000 seats still empty in the rest of the ground. 

It seems fairly simple, really..!

It is my view that if a group of people want to book together and the stadium is capable of housing them, they should be able to do so. Any other approach risks losing the club both ticket sales and potential new supporters.

Once availability in the lower bowl reaches a point where it is limited to 1s and 2s, it seems obvious to me that that is the point at which you open the top tier - block by block if necessary to limit running costs. It would be madness to risk turning people away, especially during a period when we are looking to grow the fanbase.

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24 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

It is my view that if a group of people want to book together and the stadium is capable of housing them, they should be able to do so. Any other approach risks losing the club both ticket sales and potential new supporters.

Once availability in the lower bowl reaches a point where it is limited to 1s and 2s, it seems obvious to me that that is the point at which you open the top tier - block by block if necessary to limit running costs. It would be madness to risk turning people away, especially during a period when we are looking to grow the fanbase.

The club have done just that previously, selling the top tier almost row by row.

I actually think it may be more to do with lack of staff than anything else, they have advertised only today for stewards.

The SAG would of course require an undertaking that sufficient stewards will be on duty to assist in the event of an emergency, if we haven't got the staff we can't open.

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I stand to be corrected because I haven't read anything on it, but it did seem like Liverpool's new stand went from being not ready to fully open in first home match.

Our stands seem to take ages to be granted certificates. Don't they have H&S in Liverpool?  

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1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said:

It is my view that if a group of people want to book together and the stadium is capable of housing them, they should be able to do so. Any other approach risks losing the club both ticket sales and potential new supporters.

Once availability in the lower bowl reaches a point where it is limited to 1s and 2s, it seems obvious to me that that is the point at which you open the top tier - block by block if necessary to limit running costs. It would be madness to risk turning people away, especially during a period when we are looking to grow the fanbase.

Ignore him Chippenham, he is absolutely blinkered on this one and he thinks it's absolutely fine that the ten of you can sit in isolated seats dotted all over the ground, of course it makes sense to open the upper tier.

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13 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

I stand to be corrected because I haven't read anything on it, but it did seem like Liverpool's new stand went from being not ready to fully open in first home match.

Our stands seem to take ages to be granted certificates. Don't they have H&S in Liverpool?  

This was discussed previously and Liverpool used a number of open training sessions as ramp-up events for the new stand.

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2 minutes ago, harrys said:

Ignore him Chippenham, he is absolutely blinkered on this one and he thinks it's absolutely fine that the ten of you can sit in isolated seats dotted all over the ground, of course it makes sense to open the upper tier.

If we are as close to selling out the lower bowl as stated earlier. does anyone have any idea as to why it's not being opened this time even at a restricted capacity? Seems odd TBH.

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Hi all, after some advice please, is there anywhere near your ground that I can park a motorbike safely and securely please ?

looking forward to coming to Bristol again booked in to grillstock that night.

i think it will be a good game on Saturday with you boys just taking the 3 Points I will be happy with a draw.

Good luck for the season.

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36 minutes ago, Davec72 said:

Hi all, after some advice please, is there anywhere near your ground that I can park a motorbike safely and securely please ?

looking forward to coming to Bristol again booked in to grillstock that night.

i think it will be a good game on Saturday with you boys just taking the 3 Points I will be happy with a draw.

Good luck for the season.

St parking available in and around north st. 

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3 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

It is my view that if a group of people want to book together and the stadium is capable of housing them, they should be able to do so. Any other approach risks losing the club both ticket sales and potential new supporters.

Once availability in the lower bowl reaches a point where it is limited to 1s and 2s, it seems obvious to me that that is the point at which you open the top tier - block by block if necessary to limit running costs. It would be madness to risk turning people away, especially during a period when we are looking to grow the fanbase.

Yes, fair comment. 

I guess it all comes down to whether it's allowed/cost effective to open only limited spaces in the top tier. 

If it's possible then agree with you. If opening up 100 seats on a Thursday incurs full capacity costs (when seats are left elsewhere) then I can see exactly why the club don't want to do that. 

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OPEN IT AND THEY WILL COME.

Here we go again - debates about Upper West Stand opening or not  3 days before the match is not helping certain uncommitted supporters to make an informed decision on attending the match .More supporters and additional revenue ignored.

 

For the life of me I don't understand why the Club doesn't have the central block of the Upper Stand on sale at premium prices for every home game. First few rows are the best seat in the house and should be made available for those who want to pay the premium.Stewarding and catering need not be excessive or expensive and  could be extended Block by Block given the number of seats sold in the Upper Deck.

 

Will there be POTD on Saturday ?-another opportunity missed if we don't offer this facility for late decision makers.

 

The Club has still not communicated the position on the capacity issues imposed by the SAG. Clarity here would be very much in everybody's favour. I had a question a few weeks back on the Q&A but the official  reply gave no details whatsoever to any of my points. Will the Lower Tier be fully occupied  or are seats still being held back as at the Villa  and Newcastle games?

 

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