Eastside Moonwalker Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 https://talksport.com/football/london-born-tammy-abraham-turn-back-england-and-play-nigeria-claims-president-nigeria Not the most reliable source, but there are more out there. I say good luck to him What's your opinions on it? Personally I could've seen him called up to the England 11 in a few years Also interesting enough, he was born in London and has lived in England his entire life (not that it should sway him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 What a shame. Genuinely thought he could be an England player. Controversially - perhaps this indicates a lack of real winning mentality. He knows he could probably be a regular pick for Nigeria; but would have to really fight for a place with England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 So will disappear to the African Cup of Nations on a regular basis. Might make him less attractive proposition to Prem clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Lets hope England do something to change his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Given the performance of England in most tournaments he might have a chance of winning something with Nigera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 21, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: What a shame. Genuinely thought he could be an England player. Needs to prove he can do it at Premier League level on a consistent basis first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: What a shame. Genuinely thought he could be an England player. Controversially - perhaps this indicates a lack of real winning mentality. He knows he could probably be a regular pick for Nigeria; but would have to really fight for a place with England. It is controversial, as Nigeria probably have as good a chance as England of winning anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpin Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, downendcity said: So will disappear to the African Cup of Nations on a regular basis. Might make him less attractive proposition to Prem clubs. Becoming a summer tournament after 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 it's his career, if he feels thats his best chance of international football then so be it, He isn't going to get in the england squad based on his performances so far this season so has some hard work to do on that front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Phantom beat me to it. I wad going to say he needs to prove himself in the Premier first. A lot will depend on what happens this year at Swansea and where he goes at the end of the season. If he can break into the Chelsea first team he'd almost certainly attract attention from the England set up. Another loan or underwhelming season and he may got lost among the promising Under 23's who never make that final step. In that respect for regular international football, Nigeria may well be his only option. Either way, he shouldn't make any decisions until he's had a chance to reflect on his first full season of regular top flight football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Won't happen, they've been saying this forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I'd say that it's still a bit early for him to think about senior-level international football. He'll continue to be a starter for the U20's and U21's, so I'd probably focus on playing in an environment where it's okay to learn. From what I heard on the radio, his dad is friends with the head of the Nigerian FA, so that probably had a big part in his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Leveller said: It is controversial, as Nigeria probably have as good a chance as England of winning anything! Possibly - but England are still a more prestigious side to play for. In my opinion, if you truly had a winning mentality and self belief, surely you'd rather be competing with Rashford and Kane to be England's first choice forward than competing with Musa and Iwobi to be Nigeria's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 19 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: What a shame. Genuinely thought he could be an England player. Controversially - perhaps this indicates a lack of real winning mentality. He knows he could probably be a regular pick for Nigeria; but would have to really fight for a place with England. Is he as good as people think he is? Looks to be struggling to adapt to the premier league. We look a better team without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Is he as good as people think he is? Looks to be struggling to adapt to the premier league. We look a better team without him. Well it is a big step up and still early days for him. I think he'll be a premier league player ultimately, probably a good learning curve for him to hit a lean period in a way. I think what he has that sets him apart is that unteachable knack of sniffing out goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Is he as good as people think he is? Looks to be struggling to adapt to the premier league. We look a better team without him. Give him time to adapt to Prem. Completely disagree we are better without him. Put him in this team and we would be doing even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Is he as good as people think he is? Looks to be struggling to adapt to the premier league. We look a better team without him. Perhaps difficult in a struggling team. However, I do feel the praise for him last season got a bit OTT. His goal tally was excellent but I think he has a long way to go before he would be challenging for an England place alongside the likes of Rashford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Maybe, just maybe, he wants to play for them. If I moved to Germany and had a boy who was born there, I'd encourage him to support England. Maybe Tammy's parents did the same, and made him proud of where his family is from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touch_my_butter Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Is he as good as people think he is? Looks to be struggling to adapt to the premier league. We look a better team without him. Just imagine our team now with him + Reid up top... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Possibly - but England are still a more prestigious side to play for. In my opinion, if you truly had a winning mentality and self belief, surely you'd rather be competing with Rashford and Kane to be England's first choice forward than competing with Musa and Iwobi to be Nigeria's. I wouldn't want to play for England, I'd want to play for an international team that could win things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Good luck to him. Shame as I'm English, but if he feels that he wishes to represent Nigeria, then so be it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 He does need time to adapt to the league - look at some of our squad now, compared to how they looked 12 months ago!! If He doesn't do that well this season, it could be based on how well/bad Swansea do themselves. Chelsea may well then try him at another Premiership club, or think maybe it's the best time to cash in on him purely based on his season with us and maybe thinking he isn't quite up to that extra level. You have to think that if we did, somehow have him this year, would we have seen the form from Bobby Reid? Probably not. Yes we do look a better team this year, but I do think a large part of that is the Tomlin effect. As for Nigeria over England? That could depend on how good Tammy himself thinks he is. I think the closest comparison you could make with him at this moment in time is Rashford - is he better than Rashford? As much as I like Abraham (love it if we were able to sign him permanently) don't think he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Monkeh said: I wouldn't want to play for England, I'd want to play for an international team that could win things Realistically Nigeria are only going to win the AFCON though so it's much the same. England are a better international side then Nigeria. It's trendy to say how terrible England are, but we do genuinely have some good players coming through and I believe within 5 years we'll have a much much better side than we do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 21, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Nigerian Football Federation president Amaju Pinnick — a friend of Abraham’s dad — said: “I had a very honest and productive discussion with Tammy and his father last week. “It’s been a long process but I can tell you authoritatively that he has agreed to play for Nigeria and not England. “He and his parents have started the necessary documents to effect the switch. “Clearly he understands he stands a better chance playing for the Super Eagles. With his talent he has the ability to fight for a place in the Nigeria squad, by God’s grace we make it to Russia, then he would contest for a chance to represent his fatherland.” Pinnick and the striker’s father grew up in the town of Warri, in southern Nigeria. And Pinnick did not hide the fact his relationship with Abraham’s father helped the bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Harry Redknapp has a bit of time on his hands right now..... The FA should sign him up for his *head turning abilities, he might just get Tammy to change his mind and opt for England instead. * (if the money is right! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 If it's the choice of Tammy and his family, so be it. There's no way he would be ready for the world cup with England next year, but if he gets a chance with Nigeria (if they qualify), then good luck to Tammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Realistically Nigeria are only going to win the AFCON though so it's much the same. England are a better international side then Nigeria. It's trendy to say how terrible England are, but we do genuinely have some good players coming through and I believe within 5 years we'll have a much much better side than we do now. oh i agree we do have some good players, the problem is they are more interested in club football then international :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Disappointing if true, Tammy was born and brought up in England and presumably sees his long term future here, as well as that of any future family. Imo. he should pledge his international future to the country of his birth, the country he has already represented at numerous levels, and the country he intends to continue to live in. I'll have that little bit less interest in his career if he chooses to represent Nigeria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Monkeh said: oh i agree we do have some good players, the problem is they are more interested in club football then international :/ In 5 years we'll have peak Harry Kane and Dele Alli to add to Keane, Butland, Stones, Ward-Prowse and Rashford who I expect to be first team regulars. Add in the likes of Trent Alexander-Arnold, Tom Davies, Solanke, Gray, Viera, Jadon Sacho and it looks rather more positive than it does now. We've had a fairly lean decade or so in terms of talent - but I believe we are on the ascendancy now. This seems to have gone under the radar a bit which makes a nice change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: In 5 years we'll have peak Harry Kane and Dele Alli to add to Keane, Butland, Stones, Ward-Prowse and Rashford who I expect to be first team regulars. Add in the likes of Trent Alexander-Arnold, Tom Davies, Solanke, Gray, Viera, Jadon Sacho and it looks rather more positive than it does now. We've had a fairly lean decade or so in terms of talent - but I believe we are on the ascendancy now. This seems to have gone under the radar a bit which makes a nice change. I hope so, but we had this with the "golden generation" of lampard, Gerrard Rooney owen Ferdinand the nevs cole x 2 , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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