Guest Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 https://talksport.com/football/london-born-tammy-abraham-turn-back-england-and-play-nigeria-claims-president-nigeria Not the most reliable source, but there are more out there. I say good luck to him What's your opinions on it? Personally I could've seen him called up to the England 11 in a few years Also interesting enough, he was born in London and has lived in England his entire life (not that it should sway him)
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 What a shame. Genuinely thought he could be an England player. Controversially - perhaps this indicates a lack of real winning mentality. He knows he could probably be a regular pick for Nigeria; but would have to really fight for a place with England.
downendcity Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 So will disappear to the African Cup of Nations on a regular basis. Might make him less attractive proposition to Prem clubs.
Super Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Lets hope England do something to change his mind.
Bristol Rob Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Given the performance of England in most tournaments he might have a chance of winning something with Nigera.
Admin Phantom Posted September 21, 2017 Admin Posted September 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: What a shame. Genuinely thought he could be an England player. Needs to prove he can do it at Premier League level on a consistent basis first
Leveller Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: What a shame. Genuinely thought he could be an England player. Controversially - perhaps this indicates a lack of real winning mentality. He knows he could probably be a regular pick for Nigeria; but would have to really fight for a place with England. It is controversial, as Nigeria probably have as good a chance as England of winning anything!
terpin Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, downendcity said: So will disappear to the African Cup of Nations on a regular basis. Might make him less attractive proposition to Prem clubs. Becoming a summer tournament after 2019.
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 it's his career, if he feels thats his best chance of international football then so be it, He isn't going to get in the england squad based on his performances so far this season so has some hard work to do on that front
Midlands Robin Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Phantom beat me to it. I wad going to say he needs to prove himself in the Premier first. A lot will depend on what happens this year at Swansea and where he goes at the end of the season. If he can break into the Chelsea first team he'd almost certainly attract attention from the England set up. Another loan or underwhelming season and he may got lost among the promising Under 23's who never make that final step. In that respect for regular international football, Nigeria may well be his only option. Either way, he shouldn't make any decisions until he's had a chance to reflect on his first full season of regular top flight football.
Unan Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Won't happen, they've been saying this forever
EnderMB Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 I'd say that it's still a bit early for him to think about senior-level international football. He'll continue to be a starter for the U20's and U21's, so I'd probably focus on playing in an environment where it's okay to learn. From what I heard on the radio, his dad is friends with the head of the Nigerian FA, so that probably had a big part in his decision.
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Leveller said: It is controversial, as Nigeria probably have as good a chance as England of winning anything! Possibly - but England are still a more prestigious side to play for. In my opinion, if you truly had a winning mentality and self belief, surely you'd rather be competing with Rashford and Kane to be England's first choice forward than competing with Musa and Iwobi to be Nigeria's.
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Is he as good as people think he is? Looks to be struggling to adapt to the premier league. We look a better team without him. Well it is a big step up and still early days for him. I think he'll be a premier league player ultimately, probably a good learning curve for him to hit a lean period in a way. I think what he has that sets him apart is that unteachable knack of sniffing out goals.
And Its Smith Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Is he as good as people think he is? Looks to be struggling to adapt to the premier league. We look a better team without him. Give him time to adapt to Prem. Completely disagree we are better without him. Put him in this team and we would be doing even better.
Leveller Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Is he as good as people think he is? Looks to be struggling to adapt to the premier league. We look a better team without him. Perhaps difficult in a struggling team. However, I do feel the praise for him last season got a bit OTT. His goal tally was excellent but I think he has a long way to go before he would be challenging for an England place alongside the likes of Rashford.
Welcome To The Jungle Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Maybe, just maybe, he wants to play for them. If I moved to Germany and had a boy who was born there, I'd encourage him to support England. Maybe Tammy's parents did the same, and made him proud of where his family is from.
Touch_my_butter Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Is he as good as people think he is? Looks to be struggling to adapt to the premier league. We look a better team without him. Just imagine our team now with him + Reid up top...
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Possibly - but England are still a more prestigious side to play for. In my opinion, if you truly had a winning mentality and self belief, surely you'd rather be competing with Rashford and Kane to be England's first choice forward than competing with Musa and Iwobi to be Nigeria's. I wouldn't want to play for England, I'd want to play for an international team that could win things
Lordofthebling Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Good luck to him. Shame as I'm English, but if he feels that he wishes to represent Nigeria, then so be it...
Taz Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 He does need time to adapt to the league - look at some of our squad now, compared to how they looked 12 months ago!! If He doesn't do that well this season, it could be based on how well/bad Swansea do themselves. Chelsea may well then try him at another Premiership club, or think maybe it's the best time to cash in on him purely based on his season with us and maybe thinking he isn't quite up to that extra level. You have to think that if we did, somehow have him this year, would we have seen the form from Bobby Reid? Probably not. Yes we do look a better team this year, but I do think a large part of that is the Tomlin effect. As for Nigeria over England? That could depend on how good Tammy himself thinks he is. I think the closest comparison you could make with him at this moment in time is Rashford - is he better than Rashford? As much as I like Abraham (love it if we were able to sign him permanently) don't think he is.
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Monkeh said: I wouldn't want to play for England, I'd want to play for an international team that could win things Realistically Nigeria are only going to win the AFCON though so it's much the same. England are a better international side then Nigeria. It's trendy to say how terrible England are, but we do genuinely have some good players coming through and I believe within 5 years we'll have a much much better side than we do now.
Admin Phantom Posted September 21, 2017 Admin Posted September 21, 2017 Nigerian Football Federation president Amaju Pinnick — a friend of Abraham’s dad — said: “I had a very honest and productive discussion with Tammy and his father last week. “It’s been a long process but I can tell you authoritatively that he has agreed to play for Nigeria and not England. “He and his parents have started the necessary documents to effect the switch. “Clearly he understands he stands a better chance playing for the Super Eagles. With his talent he has the ability to fight for a place in the Nigeria squad, by God’s grace we make it to Russia, then he would contest for a chance to represent his fatherland.” Pinnick and the striker’s father grew up in the town of Warri, in southern Nigeria. And Pinnick did not hide the fact his relationship with Abraham’s father helped the bid.
WhistleHappy Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Harry Redknapp has a bit of time on his hands right now..... The FA should sign him up for his *head turning abilities, he might just get Tammy to change his mind and opt for England instead. * (if the money is right! )
reddogkev Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 If it's the choice of Tammy and his family, so be it. There's no way he would be ready for the world cup with England next year, but if he gets a chance with Nigeria (if they qualify), then good luck to Tammy.
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Realistically Nigeria are only going to win the AFCON though so it's much the same. England are a better international side then Nigeria. It's trendy to say how terrible England are, but we do genuinely have some good players coming through and I believe within 5 years we'll have a much much better side than we do now. oh i agree we do have some good players, the problem is they are more interested in club football then international :/
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Disappointing if true, Tammy was born and brought up in England and presumably sees his long term future here, as well as that of any future family. Imo. he should pledge his international future to the country of his birth, the country he has already represented at numerous levels, and the country he intends to continue to live in. I'll have that little bit less interest in his career if he chooses to represent Nigeria.
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Monkeh said: oh i agree we do have some good players, the problem is they are more interested in club football then international :/ In 5 years we'll have peak Harry Kane and Dele Alli to add to Keane, Butland, Stones, Ward-Prowse and Rashford who I expect to be first team regulars. Add in the likes of Trent Alexander-Arnold, Tom Davies, Solanke, Gray, Viera, Jadon Sacho and it looks rather more positive than it does now. We've had a fairly lean decade or so in terms of talent - but I believe we are on the ascendancy now. This seems to have gone under the radar a bit which makes a nice change.
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: In 5 years we'll have peak Harry Kane and Dele Alli to add to Keane, Butland, Stones, Ward-Prowse and Rashford who I expect to be first team regulars. Add in the likes of Trent Alexander-Arnold, Tom Davies, Solanke, Gray, Viera, Jadon Sacho and it looks rather more positive than it does now. We've had a fairly lean decade or so in terms of talent - but I believe we are on the ascendancy now. This seems to have gone under the radar a bit which makes a nice change. I hope so, but we had this with the "golden generation" of lampard, Gerrard Rooney owen Ferdinand the nevs cole x 2 ,
CyderInACan Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 30 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It's trendy to say how terrible England are, but we do genuinely have some good players coming through and I believe within 5 years we'll have a much much better side than we do now. How long have we been continually kidding ourselves for though by trotting this nonsense out? The FA don’t care about England. All they care about is the Prem. Cant see much changing in the short to medium term. Ace qualifying only get to QF stage and bow out to one of the usual suspects at best.
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: How long have we been continually kidding ourselves for though by trotting this nonsense out? The FA don’t care about England. All they care about is the Prem. Cant see much changing in the short to medium term. Ace qualifying only get to QF stage and bow out to one of the usual suspects at best. 11 minutes ago, Monkeh said: I hope so, but we had this with the "golden generation" of lampard, Gerrard Rooney owen Ferdinand the nevs cole x 2 , Well, I feel we should've won a tournament with the 'Golden Generation'. I believe had Rooney not got injured we might have won Euro 2004. We had a world class squad then. 2006, well World Cup's are always more difficult - felt we should've got semi finals at least then. So many variables in tournament football and the debate isn't about England's failings in cup competition; that's a different question. In terms of quality though - we have had a lean decade really. I feel the players coming through are of a higher level now and we may begin to be able to compete. The media are partly to blame really, they whip fans up to believe England are potential contenders with the 2010, 2012 and 2016 squads. We simply didn't have the necessary quality in those sides. The difference now is that England are winning youth tournaments. For us to win the u20 World Cup is no mean feat. What's good to see is that the media haven't caught wind of this as much as I expected. It's far better if these young players are doing what Sacho, Kent, Oxford, Willock etc are doing and playing abroad. They'll learn new things, new life skills and remain under the radar.
LondonBristolian Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: In 5 years we'll have peak Harry Kane and Dele Alli to add to Keane, Butland, Stones, Ward-Prowse and Rashford who I expect to be first team regulars. Add in the likes of Trent Alexander-Arnold, Tom Davies, Solanke, Gray, Viera, Jadon Sacho and it looks rather more positive than it does now. We've had a fairly lean decade or so in terms of talent - but I believe we are on the ascendancy now. This seems to have gone under the radar a bit which makes a nice change. In theory, yes. But if you think about the players who have been tipped as future England greats in the past, you realise often promise does not quite materialise as you would hope. In 2011, people thought we were five years away from an outstanding England team in Joe Hart, Kyle Walker, Keiron Gibbs, Phil Jones, Chris Smalling, Jack Rodwell, Jordan Henderson, Jack Wilshere, Alex Oxlade Chamberlain, Danny Welbeck and Theo Walcott. Most of those players have not quite become quite as good as people hoped...
Rudolf Hucker Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: In 5 years we'll have peak Harry Kane and Dele Alli to add to Keane, Butland, Stones, Ward-Prowse and Rashford who I expect to be first team regulars. Add in the likes of Trent Alexander-Arnold, Tom Davies, Solanke, Gray, Viera, Jadon Sacho and it looks rather more positive than it does now. We've had a fairly lean decade or so in terms of talent - but I believe we are on the ascendancy now. This seems to have gone under the radar a bit which makes a nice change. I was with you until this point! IMO, Stones is the most overrated young player in this country. I've no doubt he'll play many times for England but we'll continue to win nothing with players such as him in the team because, like Jordan Henderson, he just ain't good enough.
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: In theory, yes. But if you think about the players who have been tipped as future England greats in the past, you realise often promise does not quite materialise as you would hope. In 2011, people thought we were five years away from an outstanding England team in Joe Hart, Kyle Walker, Keiron Gibbs, Phil Jones, Chris Smalling, Jack Rodwell, Jordan Henderson, Jack Wilshere, Alex Oxlade Chamberlain, Danny Welbeck and Theo Walcott. Most of those players have not quite become quite as good as people hoped... Depends how you define 'England greats' - Hart has been first choice keeper for a number of years, Walker has developed into one of the best right backs in the world, Smalling (if anything) exceeded expectations at United, still plenty of time for Jones really - the major disappointments in that list are Wilshere and Walcott. I think Walcott hasn't been helped with the amount of injuries. Those young players - in my opinion - are nowhere near as gifted and exciting as the current crop. I don't remember huge optimism in 2011 personally.
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said: I was with you until this point! IMO, Stones is the most overrated young player in this country. I've no doubt he'll play many times for England but we'll continue to win nothing with players such as him in the team because, like Jordan Henderson, he just ain't good enough. I think he will develop. He clearly has something, Guardiola knows his stuff. Same with Sterling. I predict Stones will surprise people over the next few years..
Major Isewater Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, RedDave said: Give him time to adapt to Prem. Completely disagree we are better without him. Put him in this team and we would be doing even better. I think the emphasis was on team. The easy, lazy option last year was to give it to Tammy ,now others know that they need to contribute more goals to the side .
Red-Robbo Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 I disagree with the whole system that let's you play for one nation at U21 level before "deciding" that you are another nationality altogether. You've made your bed so lie in it!
Roe Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: In 5 years we'll have peak Harry Kane and Dele Alli to add to Keane, Butland, Stones, Ward-Prowse and Rashford who I expect to be first team regulars. Add in the likes of Trent Alexander-Arnold, Tom Davies, Solanke, Gray, Viera, Jadon Sacho and it looks rather more positive than it does now. We've had a fairly lean decade or so in terms of talent - but I believe we are on the ascendancy now. This seems to have gone under the radar a bit which makes a nice change. Put Bobby Reid in the mix and there's no way Abraham even gets offered a complimentary match ticket from one of the players..
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 With his culture , his family's wishes are likely to be a major factor Normally I'd be a bit cheesed but the lad is a gem in his makeup and his footballing ability so good luck to him whatever he chooses (However I hope it's England though !)
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 19 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Well, I feel we should've won a tournament with the 'Golden Generation'. I believe had Rooney not got injured we might have won Euro 2004. We had a world class squad then. 2006, well World Cup's are always more difficult - felt we should've got semi finals at least then. So many variables in tournament football and the debate isn't about England's failings in cup competition; that's a different question. In terms of quality though - we have had a lean decade really. I feel the players coming through are of a higher level now and we may begin to be able to compete. The media are partly to blame really, they whip fans up to believe England are potential contenders with the 2010, 2012 and 2016 squads. We simply didn't have the necessary quality in those sides. The difference now is that England are winning youth tournaments. For us to win the u20 World Cup is no mean feat. What's good to see is that the media haven't caught wind of this as much as I expected. It's far better if these young players are doing what Sacho, Kent, Oxford, Willock etc are doing and playing abroad. They'll learn new things, new life skills and remain under the radar. We've never had a world class squad
havanatopia Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: I disagree with the whole system that let's you play for one nation at U21 level before "deciding" that you are another nationality altogether. You've made your bed so lie in it! Agree Robbo; this whole thing really irritates me. Just look at Qatar; they have perhaps been instrumental in lobbying FIFA or rather trousering the board in order for them to change the rules. Now you see 'Qataris' playing for their national team who have not only been born elsewhere, grown up elsewhere and even been educated elsewhere but do not even speak Qatari nor live in Qatar. What a total farce. When did it all change? Under Blatter no doubt but perhaps commenced by that other corrupt old fart Havelange. Where was Tammy born? That is who he should play for and absolutely nobody else. And if he cannot get in the team it is insane that he can pick another country.
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Monkeh said: We've never had a world class squad That detailed and well thought out response has definitely changed my opinion I spent a good 5 minutes writing you a few paragraphs Monkeh! With the exception of James - this is very much world class
Olé Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 13 minutes ago, havanatopia said: Where was Tammy born? That is who he should play for and absolutely nobody else Wouldn't have had this goal:
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: That detailed and well thought out response has definitely changed my opinion I spent a good 5 minutes writing you a few paragraphs Monkeh! With the exception of James - this is very much world class no its not a Truly world class squad were the all conquering spanish team, sexy football dutch team of the late 70's Brazil with Pele, or Germany recently, They are world class teams, The above is a good team but not world class, the term world class is thrown round to freely these days
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Monkeh said: no its not a Truly world class squad were the all conquering spanish team, sexy football dutch team of the late 70's Brazil with Pele, or Germany recently, They are world class teams, The above is a good team but not world class, the term world class is thrown round to freely these days world-class adjective (of a person, thing, or activity) of or among the best in the world. "a world-class player" By that definition (of or among the best in the world) in 2004, England were a World Class team.
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: world-class adjective (of a person, thing, or activity) of or among the best in the world. "a world-class player" By that definition (of or among the best in the world) in 2004, England were a World Class team. did they win the tournament?, no did they finish runners up? no so by your definition they weren't the best in the world, they weren't even the best in Europe, they finished 2nd in the group behind france (who did have a truely world class player in Zidane and Henry)
downendcity Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, CyderInACan said: How long have we been continually kidding ourselves for though by trotting this nonsense out? The FA don’t care about England. All they care about is the Prem. Cant see much changing in the short to medium term. Ace qualifying only get to QF stage and bow out to one of the usual suspects at best. In fairness I think the FA does care about England - whether they have the wherewithal to do anything about it is another matter. It's the premier league that only cares about the premier league, and doesn't give a toss about England.
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, Monkeh said: did they win the tournament?, no did they finish runners up? no so by your definition they weren't the best in the world, they weren't even the best in Europe, they finished 2nd in the group behind france (who did have a truely world class player in Zidane and Henry) So Greece had a world class squad did they?
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: So Greece had a world class squad did they? no but i was using your definition to make a point, England had a very good squad (1998 was better) but they weren't world class
Phileas Fogg Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Monkeh said: no but i was using your definition to make a point, England had a very good squad (1998 was better) but they weren't world class Unfortunately tournament performance is the only yardstick we have to measure ‘ability’. I believe, theoretically, that if the England 2004 squad played in a world league of 20 national teams from the time they’d be towards the top and thus be ‘World Class’ as per the definition. Lots of that squad were ‘among the best in the world’ as per that definition. All subjective now though because there’s no way of knowing. Either way, we’ve horribly digressed from the original topic!
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Unfortunately tournament performance is the only yardstick we have to measure ‘ability’. I believe, theoretically, that if the England 2004 squad played in a world league of 20 national teams from the time they’d be towards the top and thus be ‘World Class’ as per the definition. Lots of that squad were ‘among the best in the world’ as per that definition. All subjective now though because there’s no way of knowing. Either way, we’ve horribly digressed from the original topic! they had plenty of ability but for international football tournaments is the yard stick they need to be measured at, as its they only thing the team can win, Take Argentina for example, they have one truely world class player but they don't have a world class team, and much like England flatter to deceive, Many players want to win things, and Tammys best chance of winning anything at international level will be with the super eagies he will also be one of their first choices
RumRed Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 He just really hates our ******* band, and who can blame him.
alexukhc Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Talking to a Swansea fan at work about him earlier, says he's not good enough for the prem, gods sake only his second full season and how many games gone?
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, alexukhc said: Talking to a Swansea fan at work about him earlier, says he's not good enough for the prem, gods sake only his second full season and how many games gone? the game I watched, he didn't play like the tammy we had, he also looked isolated and when he did show glimpses he had no support
JasonM88 Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, alexukhc said: Talking to a Swansea fan at work about him earlier, says he's not good enough for the prem, gods sake only his second full season and how many games gone? Well Swansea fans obviously rate him in the majority. He’s was voted their potm for August.
EmersonsRed Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 4 hours ago, downendcity said: So will disappear to the African Cup of Nations on a regular basis. Might make him less attractive proposition to Prem clubs. Haven't read any posts past this but the ACON is being moved from January to June from 2019
EmersonsRed Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 4 hours ago, terpin said: Becoming a summer tournament after 2019. Ah... Had already been corrected
EmersonsRed Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 In terms of Tammy, I'm not sure he's got what it takes to play for England. Happy to be proven wrong, but his game is very one dimensional... I.E find space in box and finish - he's still yet to score a professional goal from outside the box, needs to adapt his game a little. Add something to it. As the prem is proving, against top CBs, it's difficult
glynriley Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, EmersonsRed said: In terms of Tammy, I'm not sure he's got what it takes to play for England. Happy to be proven wrong, but his game is very one dimensional... I.E find space in box and finish - he's still yet to score a professional goal from outside the box, needs to adapt his game a little. Add something to it. As the prem is proving, against top CBs, it's difficult Never did Gary Lineker any harm!! I'm sure Tammy will adapt, he's only been playing at that level for 5 minutes and still only 19.
poland_exile Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 6 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Disappointing if true, Tammy was born and brought up in England and presumably sees his long term future here, as well as that of any future family. Imo. he should pledge his international future to the country of his birth, the country he has already represented at numerous levels, and the country he intends to continue to live in. I'll have that little bit less interest in his career if he chooses to represent Nigeria. spot on. If you're born and raised here then you're english, no ifs or buts. If he wants to play for nigeria then he should swap his british passport for a nigerian one. Blimey, I absolutely hate it when players skulk off to represent another nation out of selfish personal reasons. frankly though, if that's his level of pride in the nation of his birth then maybe we're better off without him.
havanatopia Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 England have spent big on Tammy and given him an education in football the likes of which he would get from only a handful of other countries. In the event he turns his back on that and plays for Nigeria, in my humble opinion, shows a complete lack of respect and class. And if it does happen he can expect serial verbal abuse from fans. Lets see if it comes to pass.
Honiton Tony Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Last years loan player .............. who cares !
havanatopia Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 This thread has changed his mind then. Good lad if true.
JasonM88 Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Needs to think very carefully. Will effect his earning power hugely, because whether you like it or not, young English players earn a fortune compared to the rest of the worlds young players.
Red_Nine Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Unlikely he'll achieve all that much in his career as he is a poacher and a top one at that, but playing at mid to bottom end prem teams he just won't get the opportunities to score enough goals!
JustinCider Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 The day I start to believe again that we have world class players is the day top European teams want to buy them.
Leveller Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 11 hours ago, havanatopia said: Agree Robbo; this whole thing really irritates me. Just look at Qatar; they have perhaps been instrumental in lobbying FIFA or rather trousering the board in order for them to change the rules. Now you see 'Qataris' playing for their national team who have not only been born elsewhere, grown up elsewhere and even been educated elsewhere but do not even speak Qatari nor live in Qatar. What a total farce. When did it all change? Under Blatter no doubt but perhaps commenced by that other corrupt old fart Havelange. Where was Tammy born? That is who he should play for and absolutely nobody else. And if he cannot get in the team it is insane that he can pick another country. This sounds very extreme. Surely one has always been able to represent one's parents country of birth, as proposed here? Those born abroad of British parents (e.g. Forces children, diplomats' children, even those born on holiday) would fall foul of your proposed strict rule.
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