boadle Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 According to the Wolves expert on the OSIB podcast, Wolves were tactically very astute in their 0-0 draw with Man City back in October (Carabao Cup, eventually losing on penalties) as they positioned everyone behind the ball, allowed City to have all the possession, but remained very disciplined and organised. The guy even went so far as to say that anyone looking to get something against City would do well to study this game. Should we follow this advice, or are we better to stick to high-energy gegenpress approach which has got us this far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Ultimately a mix of both is probably the right answer. The high press game is what we do, and what we are good at, but against this Man City team we need to do it at the right moments and not just press for the sake of pressing. LJ often talks about "trigger points", our players need to be alert to these and not to go pressing at the wrong times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 From the press conference I got the impression we are going to play our own way and imo that is what we must do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 We have to be positive when we can, we need to keep the ball better than we have done of late we won't get much of it! We have nothing to lose they pretty much stuff everyone in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted January 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 "“The best moment to win the ball is immediately after your team just lost it. The opponent is still looking for orientation where to pass the ball. He will have taken his eyes off the game to make his tackle or interception and he will have expended energy. Both make him vulnerable.” Jürgen Klopp From The Guardian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Up The City! said: From the press conference I got the impression we are going to play our own way and imo that is what we must do. I really hope this is the case & believe it will be. We do not just blindly press, as has been mentioned, we react to the ‘ trigger’ moments. It is what we did so well against United. If we are to go out, I want us to go out playing our own way, but on the other hand, if we do play our own way, you just never know.........! COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, boadle said: "“The best moment to win the ball is immediately after your team just lost it. The opponent is still looking for orientation where to pass the ball. He will have taken his eyes off the game to make his tackle or interception and he will have expended energy. Both make him vulnerable.” Jürgen Klopp From The Guardian You missed the Footnote Boadle !!!! NB.The above does not apply to players such as Silva , DeBruyne Sane, Toure or Aguero Juergen Klopp COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, boadle said: According to the Wolves expert on the OSIB podcast, Wolves were tactically very astute in their 0-0 draw with Man City back in October (Carabao Cup, eventually losing on penalties) as they positioned everyone behind the ball, allowed City to have all the possession, but remained very disciplined and organised. The guy even went so far as to say that anyone looking to get something against City would do well to study this game. Should we follow this advice, or are we better to stick to high-energy gegenpress approach which has got us this far? City should stick to what they do. City do not gegenpress . City do not use pressing teams to force play to players less adept on the ball. City use triggers to press - ball entering zones and screen and slide. Wolves did similar v City when they had ten v eleven. They were brilliant at it but were not pressing the ball they were pressing the space as an entire team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 I noticed how Burnley continually closed down their goalkeeper in the first half against Man City on Saturday, rather like Preston did to us, and feel we have to do that tonight. If we allow them to play the ball out comfortably from the back, they'll hurt us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 If we park the bus, they will beat us. If we press them like we pressed united, anything could happen. I'm sure Lee has a gameplan and I hope it is a positive one. Much more difficult over 2 legs though. Think positive and believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted January 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 56 minutes ago, Cowshed said: City should stick to what they do. City do not gegenpress . City do not use pressing teams to force play to players less adept on the ball. City use triggers to press - ball entering zones and screen and slide. Wolves did similar v City when they had ten v eleven. They were brilliant at it but were not pressing the ball they were pressing the space as an entire team. Hi Cowshed. Can you explain a bit more about how this works, for those of us less tactically astute? What does Screen and Slide mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 There will of course be plenty of time where all we can do is try and soak up the pressure and get bodies behind the ball. But we MUST press them whenever possible and try as much as is practicable to play our own game. If we set up to keep 11 behind the ball (which I don't think is in LJs nature, even vs Man C) we will invite and get a hammering. The only thing that matters tonight is keeping the tie alive somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, boadle said: Hi Cowshed. Can you explain a bit more about how this works, for those of us less tactically astute? What does Screen and Slide mean? It sounds technical but it isn't. Wolves (10) v City (11) allowed City to have the ball around the halfway line and applied little to no pressure. When City progressed into their half the team in two lines reacted as one. Entering a zone is the trigger for Wolves defence The front line of four (and five) acts as a screen and blocks passing options v marking man for man. The line behind acts accordingly. When City went sideways the two lines moved as one (sliding) so at all times City had two lines to play though. Two lines that remained compact and narrow and if the ball was switched the team slided to screen compact and narrow again seeking to nick the ball via patience from a poor touch, or intercepting by blocking passing lanes. Wolves were as good as any team at this level I have seen at it. There are obviously lots of variants but it is essentially a way of controlling space v marking players and not necessarily pressing the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, boadle said: According to the Wolves expert on the OSIB podcast, Wolves were tactically very astute in their 0-0 draw with Man City back in October (Carabao Cup, eventually losing on penalties) as they positioned everyone behind the ball, allowed City to have all the possession, but remained very disciplined and organised. The guy even went so far as to say that anyone looking to get something against City would do well to study this game. Should we follow this advice, or are we better to stick to high-energy gegenpress approach which has got us this far? Have we anything bigger than a bus ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der no.2 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Have we anything bigger than a bus ? Apparently there is a Megabus going spare in Walsall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted January 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 27 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Have we anything bigger than a bus ? Not since Tomlin left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Have we anything bigger than a bus ? We’re going to park a Gegenbus Major. That’ll confuse the life out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Malago said: We’re going to park a Gegenbus Major. That’ll confuse the life out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted January 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Cowshed said: It sounds technical but it isn't. Wolves (10) v City (11) allowed City to have the ball around the halfway line and applied little to no pressure. When City progressed into their half the team in two lines reacted as one. Entering a zone is the trigger for Wolves defence The front line of four (and five) acts as a screen and blocks passing options v marking man for man. The line behind acts accordingly. When City went sideways the two lines moved as one (sliding) so at all times City had two lines to play though. Two lines that remained compact and narrow and if the ball was switched the team slided to screen compact and narrow again seeking to nick the ball via patience from a poor touch, or intercepting by blocking passing lanes. Wolves were as good as any team at this level I have seen at it. There are obviously lots of variants but it is essentially a way of controlling space v marking players and not necessarily pressing the ball. Thanks man, very interesting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Have we anything bigger than a bus ? Oil tanker should do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Better teams than ours have tried and failed at both approaches. I'd personally favour playing the same team and the same style as in the previous round because: It's what the players are used to Man City might not be expecting it It would earn respect from neutrals watching on TV Changing the style says to the players "we have to do this because you're not good enough" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Have we anything bigger than a bus ? Concorde! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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