Top Robin Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Look don't get me wrong, I love the guy and he is a really important player for us. But, I really thought we played better and quicker flowing football in midfield last night without him in there. The passing was quick and the movement was good.......seemed to create the attacks faster. I know he'll be back soon but just thought I'd mention it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Top Robin said: Look don't get me wrong, I love the guy and he is a really important player for us. But, I really thought we played better and quicker flowing football in midfield last night without him in there. The passing was quick and the movement was good.......seemed to create the attacks faster. I know he'll be back soon but just thought I'd mention it. I agree, however when we weren't able to counter at pace, I think we missed him when the game needed controlling a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Clearly Central is where Brownhill is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Pack is a very intelligent player. As a defensive midfielder he reads the game well and his anticipation is top drawer. Not only that he can pick a pass well because of his awareness. Had he not been on the naughty step last City could well have won the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I think in Pack, Smith and Brownhill we have three excellent CMs, all of which/combinations of which have their strengths and weaknesses. Brownhill is more mobile and attacking than Pack, Pack a little more physical. Nice to have options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Super said: Clearly Central is where Brownhill is best. Personally I thought Brownhill was just about average in CM last night. Lots of times he made poor passes or poor decisions, but his work rate was good and helped to pressure Fulham. What was very noticeable with Pack’s absence was the 3 times in the first 25 minutes where they had a player run with the ball right up the centre of the pitch to the edge of our box - that simply doesn’t happen when Pack plays as he fills those holes and forces the opposition back or sideways. You rarely get runners straight down our spine when Pack plays in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I thought that Brownhill was pretty anonymous early on, but we stood off them as a team. As we grew into the game so did Browhill, last 30 I thought he was one our best players. Played to the end too, still making runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Fulham play a lot on the ground, so we didn’t miss him as much. I think Cardiff will be a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 43 minutes ago, Super said: Clearly Central is where Brownhill is best. He was inside right to my eyes with Bobby inside left. We matched their shape. However, we missed Pack as I think Korey did get dragged out the middle and they broke through the centre of the pitch. At Fulham, Pack sat in the middle with Brownhill and Smith either side and Bobby as a false 9. We nicked the ball off them on a number of occasions and were dominant. With Bobby and Korey deeper and no Marlon we weren't as good at winning it high up (though we did okay). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Top Robin said: Look don't get me wrong, I love the guy and he is a really important player for us. But, I really thought we played better and quicker flowing football in midfield last night without him in there. The passing was quick and the movement was good.......seemed to create the attacks faster. I know he'll be back soon but just thought I'd mention it. horse for courses . Pack would be much more missed in Games like Cardiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 In the away match at craven cottage Pack, Smith and Brownhill were outstanding in a midfield 3. Completely outclassed Fulham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Pack certainly wasn’t missed last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, harrys said: Pack certainly wasn’t missed last night. oh yes he was . if he had not missed then he would of been there so it seems quite he either is there or not and if he not he must be missed. quite clear really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: oh yes he was . if he had not missed then he would of been there so it seems quite he either is there or not and if he not he must be missed. quite clear really .....unlike your post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Roger Red Hat said: .....unlike your post! clear as cloudy zider I should say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: I think in Pack, Smith and Brownhill we have three excellent CMs, all of which/combinations of which have their strengths and weaknesses. Brownhill is more mobile and attacking than Pack, Pack a little more physical. Nice to have options. This is very true. Makes you wonder how good we might be, playing 3-5-2 Wright-Flint-Baker Patto-Smith-Pack-Brownhill-Bryan Fammy-Reid That is a damn good side, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UREDS_91 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Worse, if anything just for his range of passing and ability to win balls in the air. Personally think we would have won had he have been playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 31 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: This is very true. Makes you wonder how good we might be, playing 3-5-2 Wright-Flint-Baker Patto-Smith-Pack-Brownhill-Bryan Fammy-Reid That is a damn good side, imo. Nice idea. Wouldn't be surprised if we see it at some stage with Pisano rather than Pato, when Eros is fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, harrys said: Pack certainly wasn’t missed last night. Do you know anything about football? Pack was a significant miss last night and he'll be missed again at Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, UREDS_91 said: Worse, if anything just for his range of passing and ability to win balls in the air. Personally think we would have won had he have been playing. Unfortunately Packs range of passing doesn’t extend beyond 10 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: Do you know anything about football? Pack was a significant miss last night and he'll be missed again at Cardiff. How extremely rude, tell me, what would Pack of brought to the game last night that we were missing? I agree he might be missed at Cardiff but certainly not last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, harrys said: Unfortunately Packs range of passing doesn’t extend beyond 10 yards. Laughable comment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, harrys said: Unfortunately Packs range of passing doesn’t extend beyond 10 yards. I repeat do you know anything about football? So far on this thread you've exposed your knowledge on what a defensive /holding midfielder role is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: I repeat do you know anything about football? So far on this thread you've exposed your knowledge on what a defensive /holding midfielder role is. So tell me, how was Pack missed last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said: This is very true. Makes you wonder how good we might be, playing 3-5-2 Wright-Flint-Baker Patto-Smith-Pack-Brownhill-Bryan Fammy-Reid That is a damn good side, imo. Not a huge fan or 3-5-2 unless you work and work on it in pre-season, which we may have done but I doubt it. It has its advantages playing against a 4-4-2 and certainly against a 4-5-1. But I don't believe we currently have the players to employ it in the wing-back roles. Going forward with the team above we would be strong but defensively we would be very exposed in the wide areas. even with Pisano fit and match hardened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I don't think we missed him that much last night and actually the type of game it was I think we benefited from having three players in midfield with such high energy. It was always going to be a game in which Fulham had the majority of possession and looked to control the game in midfield through Johansen, McDonald and Cairney and I actually felt that having such mobility in Reid, Brownhill and Smith allowed us to get around the pitch, press, never allow them time on the ball and never become overrun in the middle of the park. Having said though, although I thought Smith was superb, deservedly man of the match, and made a quite incredible amount of interceptions and tackles there were a few times he did, completely understandably, show the weaknesses in his game compared to Pack. He did a couple of times give the ball away softly or miss a pass that Pack would have made. There was also one instance in the first half that Fielding was looking to take a quick goal kick and whereas Pack would have been coming short to get the ball off the keeper, Smith had absolutely no interest in this and all Fielding was greeted with was the name on the back of his shirt forcing him to kick long. One thing that I am unfortunately quite resigned to though is that I think we will Pack a hell of a lot on Sunday. Firstly against the 2018 version of Dave Bassett's Wimbledon, simply we are going to miss Pack's size in offering a shield in front of Zohore/Madine when Cardiff (I assume endlessly) play the long ball up to them. We will have a lot more possession of the ball than we did last night and we will miss Pack's ability and composure in keeping the ball and giving good service to our more attacking players who will face the difficult task of breaking down what is, I guess I have to be fair and describe as a solid team. So I think last night was possibly a good one for us to be without him and I thought the three lads in the middle of the park all put in a tremendous shift and made it very difficult for some very talented players to play their game. I would still say though that for the majority of games Pack would still be one of the first names on the sheet for me, possibly only behind Baker and Bobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo1 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I believe Pack's only attribute that is not available to our midfielders last night is his heading ability. As Fulham rarely launched anything above grass height into this area I feel Pack was not missed at all. Probably the pace of our midfield was even more relevant then had Pack played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 50 minutes ago, harrys said: So tell me, how was Pack missed last night? Jeez............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: This is very true. Makes you wonder how good we might be, playing 3-5-2 Wright-Flint-Baker Patto-Smith-Pack-Brownhill-Bryan Fammy-Reid That is a damn good side, imo. Wright- Flint-. Baker Pack Pisano- Smith-. Brownhill-. Bryan Reid Fammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Pack and Reid link up well, like the 3-5-2 being handed about, that would work. We could also play Diony and Fammy with Reid in behind if we wanted goals. That front two would out muscle most sides in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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