steviestevieneville Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 How he wasn’t in that starting line up is beyond me. The main reason the back 4 were panicked into mistakes by Brentford’s pressing is down to lack of a out ball which Marlon provides. He’s our best ball playing central midfielder and dictates how we play. The lack of decent ball into bobby and fam was down to a lack of creativity. The bigger crime though was not addressing it at half time. Liam Walsh will be a good player but never had a kick today was a rabbit in the headlights. How he wasn’t taken off for pack at the break I don’t know. Overall it was a strange team selection, I’m not one to slam LJ really but this result is 100% down to him imo . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 The only player that wants the ball off the defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Assuming he was fit, as he was on the bench, dropping Pack today was up there with Adam Matthews at centre half last season when it comes to absurd Johnson selections. Before the game I heard lots of people complaining about Wright being picked in front of Baker, and although I agree, I thought it was nothing compared to dropping Pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singingsuperstar Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Totally and Smith struggles without him. He was mom against Barnsley. LJ you fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, bearded_red said: Assuming he was fit, as he was on the bench, dropping Pack today was up there with Adam Matthews at centre half last season when it comes to absurd Johnson selections. Before the game I heard lots of people complaining about Wright being picked in front of Baker, and although I agree, I thought it was nothing compared to dropping Pack. Arrggghhhhh.....I'd almost forgotten that and you’ve dragged it up. Reading at home. To make matters worse, Taylor Moore wasn’t on the bench, but in the BBCRB commentary box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted April 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, bearded_red said: Assuming he was fit, as he was on the bench, dropping Pack today was up there with Adam Matthews at centre half last season when it comes to absurd Johnson selections. Before the game I heard lots of people complaining about Wright being picked in front of Baker, and although I agree, I thought it was nothing compared to dropping Pack. Apparently baker had hardly trained so can see why wright played. Yes Bailey had a mare but they were pressed into mistakes because pack didn’t play. He gives us so much more than just a out ball though. Balls into the front two allow our wide midfielders to make runs off them. None of that happened and never does when he’s not playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 I can only imagine it was because he was carrying a knock. Can't understand why it would've been made relative to Brentford and the game plan. They're a side who move the ball quickly but Pack's smart enough in his positioning to track runners and regularly picks up lose balls. As already been said, he shows for the ball from the defence so well, and more importantly relative to Smith and Walsh, he dribbles to keep position very very well. Often we didn't have that calming influence who could keep it and calm the game down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Was Pack dropped? Or was only selected for the bench because he wasn't fit to start the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Apparently baker had hardly trained so can see why wright played. Yes Bailey had a mare but they were pressed into mistakes because pack didn’t play. He gives us so much more than just a out ball though. Balls into the front two allow our wide midfielders to make runs off them. None of that happened and never does when he’s not playing. I wonder why LJ had Baker on the bench if he hardly trained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Curious that he has been one of the whipping boys in the past and some still don't rate him. LJ said early in the season that we build our game around his strengths and weaknesses so unless there were fitness reasons it was a baffling decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted April 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, chinapig said: Curious that he has been one of the whipping boys in the past and some still don't rate him. LJ said early in the season that we build our game around his strengths and weaknesses so unless there were fitness reasons it was a baffling decision. If he wasn’t fit why was he on the bench . Hegeler and O’Neil could of been subs if that was the case with brownhill CM with Smith , Bryan LM with kelly LB and either Kent or pato RM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Was Pack dropped? Or was only selected for the bench because he wasn't fit to start the game? According to Holden ‘Tactical’ not always been Marlon biggest Lauder but grown and grown on me and probably the only player to have had a good afternoon (Flint was his usual committed best Tbf) as his non selection highlighted how much we miss him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Was Pack dropped? Or was only selected for the bench because he wasn't fit to start the game? I think that he left the toilet seat up in the changing room WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: According to Holden ‘Tactical’ not always been Marlon biggest Lauder but grown and grown on me and probably the only player to have had a good afternoon (Flint was his usual committed best Tbf) as his non selection highlighted how much we miss him Flint definitely, Fielding maybe, apart from that kick!!! That’s awful to think one/two players came out with any credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Flint definitely, Fielding maybe, apart from that kick!!! That’s awful to think one/two players came out with any credit. And Josh for that amazing goal line clearance Says it all when that was our best moment of the afternoon !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Obscure selection today. Pack is a very important player for us. Not starting him is mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 36 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Was Pack dropped? Or was only selected for the bench because he wasn't fit to start the game? Exactly right. Why else would Pack not start if he was fit? Hes been a regular in every game upto today. I heard a rumour that he'd been unwell and hadn't fully recovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted April 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: Exactly right. Why else would Pack not start if he was fit? Hes been a regular in every game upto today. I heard a rumour that he'd been unwell and hadn't fully recovered. Didn’t think you dealt in rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyb Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Flint definitely, Fielding maybe, apart from that kick!!! That’s awful to think one/two players came out with any credit. Flint was no better than any of the others today. People need to see past the “passion” that flint apparently has over everyone else sometimes, get their head out of his arse, and admit he was shit (on this occasion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, joeyb said: Flint was no better than any of the others today. People need to see past the “passion” that flint apparently has over everyone else sometimes, get their head out of his arse, and admit he was shit (on this occasion). Complete and utter nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Didn’t think you dealt in rumours. I didn't say it was true! But it kinda made sense to explain his absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Smith and Pack provide the spine of the team. Its vertebrae. Now vertebrae might not be very attractive or exciting things in themselves, but take one out and what happens? You collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyb Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Complete and utter nonsense This isn’t a dig at Flint, as I genuinely don’t think anyone scored above a 4/10 today, other than possibly Korey who would maybe, if I’m being generous, get a 5. But to actually make a positive comment about his performance today is baffling to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 48 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: According to Holden ‘Tactical’ not always been Marlon biggest Lauder but grown and grown on me and probably the only player to have had a good afternoon (Flint was his usual committed best Tbf) as his non selection highlighted how much we miss him Tactical? Insane more like. Brentford are a passing team who like to dominate the ball and our management team's tactical response was to leave out our deep lying playmaker. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, joeyb said: This isn’t a dig at Flint, as I genuinely don’t think anyone scored above a 4/10 today, other than possibly Korey who would maybe, if I’m being generous, get a 5. But to actually make a positive comment about his performance today is baffling to me. IMO he did his job today and was his usual committed , probably the only one What he must think of some of those around him I hate to think His passing compared to Wright , Bryan , Kent etc etc makes him look like Pirlo Actually Watch how much he has worked on and improved weaknesses in his game - puts others to shame - shame they can’t be arsed to do likewise If we had 11 with Flints attitude and application we’d be a much much better side If we lose him - IMHO it will be a time to worry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, joeyb said: Flint was no better than any of the others today. People need to see past the “passion” that flint apparently has over everyone else sometimes, get their head out of his arse, and admit he was shit (on this occasion). You obviously don’t read many of my posts, I’m probably one of Flint’s harshest critics, but today he stood above any other performance in a red shirt (and bright blue if you include FF). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 LJ thinks he’s a tactical genius . He isn’t. Not the first time he’s got it horribly wrong, he also gets it horribly right! Intereting the massive dip last season and this season in true Bristol city style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Was a weird decision. When I heard the team news, I thought he took a knock or similar... Brownhill, Smith and Walsh could have given us a foothold if played as a central midfield three...but they weren't, were they?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, The Bard said: Tactical? Insane more like. Brentford are a passing team who like to dominate the ball and our management team's tactical response was to leave out our deep lying playmaker. Amazing. Johnson McAllister and Holden look like a bunch of PE teachers at school. On the sidelines chatting away with their iPad for minutes on end only to end up playing the same square pegs in round holes. It's laughable we have a coaching team like that with no proven ability at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said: Apparently baker had hardly trained so can see why wright played. Yes Bailey had a mare but they were pressed into mistakes because pack didn’t play. He gives us so much more than just a out ball though. Balls into the front two allow our wide midfielders to make runs off them. None of that happened and never does when he’s not playing. Trouble is Wright is not the best passer of the ball with his right foot, playing left side of a back 2 he's in panic mode when he has to play out from the left. Would it have been to brave to put Kelly in alongside Flint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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