Negan Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 So the window opens soon and some of our players are looking highly likely to leave. Most of the players that look to be heading out are our promotion winners. Flint, Bryan, Pack and Reid all being linked with moves away from us. If we were to lose all 4 the only players remaining who done the double will be Smith and Frankie... quite sad to see that great team slowly fading away. If you had to put money on who the last one standing will be where would your pennies go! Looking at the names left I’d say Smith. I can see him staying for the next 4-5 years, the 4 above mentioned will no doubt be sold within the next 13 months and I’d imagine Frankie has his last contract out of us now. It may be a while before the last one does leave, let’s hope whoever’s left gets another promotion on his cv with us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 It is very sad. Cotts left behind a very small squad that was high on quality. We ended the season with a bloated squad full of shit. And now we’re lookinh at selling most of the reliable ones to be replaced by people with a 1 in 10 hit ratio. Scary times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 19 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: It is very sad. Cotts left behind a very small squad that was high on quality. We ended the season with a bloated squad full of shit. And now we’re lookinh at selling most of the reliable ones to be replaced by people with a 1 in 10 hit ratio. Scary times. Right, I want to take you to task and tell you , you are completely and utterly wrong! Sadly , I can’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 This is now our problem. Our better players will get lured away and we will need to replace them. To some this is progress but not to all ( me included ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: It is very sad. Cotts left behind a very small squad that was high on quality. Not to stir the pot (okay a little) - remember in our first season back, some people on here would explain that Cotterill had simply assembled the best League One players, which was "easy", but we needed someone to come in and actually recruit and develop players of a much higher standard. How's that working out? Okay Cotterill may have lost his way tactically, but 3 years later it turns out his willingness to rely on those League One players was a lot closer to the first team we'd end up with, than any of those who accused him of sentimentality and predicted we'd recruit and develop to a much higher calibre. With the benefit of hindsight, what if we'd taken those League One players that have since gone on to be the core of our team now, and simply added in 3 or 4 proven winners at Championship level, for the same outlay as we've spent on 5x as many punts . Pity no one proposed that at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 We're losing the characters that IMO according to Johnsons criteria "lead by example" in Reid, Flint, and Pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 But these players are also part of a squad that faded so badly in the second half of the season. I have no qualms about these players leaving. The key is to bring in better players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Olé said: Not to stir the pot (okay a little) - remember in our first season back, some people on here would explain that Cotterill had simply assembled the best League One players, which was "easy", but we needed someone to come in and actually recruit and develop players of a much higher standard. How's that working out? Okay Cotterill may have lost his way tactically, but 3 years later it turns out his willingness to rely on those League One players was a lot closer to the first team we'd end up with, than any of those who accused him of sentimentality and predicted we'd recruit and develop to a much higher calibre. With the benefit of hindsight, what if we'd taken those League One players that have since gone on to be the core of our team now, and simply added in 3 or 4 proven winners at Championship level, for the same outlay as we've spent on 5x as many punts . Pity no one proposed that at the time. Said exactly the same on a post the other day Rob It was in the following summer the perfect scenario for a new manager with a great core , little dead wood or problems and a great base to add to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Show Me The Money! said: But these players are also part of a squad that faded so badly in the second half of the season. I have no qualms about these players leaving. The key is to bring in better players But it’s the better players that are likely to leave Even if you replace them with equal quality (Don’t hold your breath) we’d only be in a similar state with the same set of less decent players Its not BR , JB , AF we should be selling its most of the rest (Before anyone shouts I know this is part of the Clubs philosophy)(Tough ask but Shame we don’t IMHO have the staff to implement it successfully ) Or are you proposing we replace all 11/14 ? I guess at least we’d achieve hitting the 50 signings mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Said exactly the same on a post the other day Rob It was in the following summer the perfect scenario for a new manager with a great core , little dead wood or problems and a great base to add to I think there’s a few echoes going on here. If we can see these things, why can’t the ‘professionals’? I really do think now, we have to bring in JJ and break the CEO job into two ‘Executive Officer’ roles. One football, which JJ occupies and reports direct to the Board, the other business, that MA occupies. LJ reports to JJ. MA has his commercial managers and also reports to The Board. Something needs to change off the pitch as well as on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 The squad at Bradford when they won 6-0 and promotion. One of the biggest mistakes was getting rid of the guy in the centre of picture...Mr 110% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 Ironic that the best player that season is the one who looks like staying here the longest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 22 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said: But these players are also part of a squad that faded so badly in the second half of the season. I have no qualms about these players leaving. The key is to bring in better players But will SL be willing to fund that as it will cost more to replace than what we sell them for? Somehow I think not from his comments in his interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted May 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 43 minutes ago, Olé said: Not to stir the pot (okay a little) - remember in our first season back, some people on here would explain that Cotterill had simply assembled the best League One players, which was "easy", but we needed someone to come in and actually recruit and develop players of a much higher standard. How's that working out? Okay Cotterill may have lost his way tactically, but 3 years later it turns out his willingness to rely on those League One players was a lot closer to the first team we'd end up with, than any of those who accused him of sentimentality and predicted we'd recruit and develop to a much higher calibre. With the benefit of hindsight, what if we'd taken those League One players that have since gone on to be the core of our team now, and simply added in 3 or 4 proven winners at Championship level, for the same outlay as we've spent on 5x as many punts . Pity no one proposed that at the time. Come to think of it Cotterill also signed Kodjia, Callum Robinson, Baker and Fredericks.... all 4 are now quality in this league. Cotterill has a good eye for players, maybe he couldn’t get the best out of them in this league but one thing we can’t fault Cotterill for is his recruitment, as for Lee Johnson... well.... let’s hope 4th times a charm. Fielding Ayling Flint Baker Fredericks Robinson Smith Bryan Freeman Reid Kodjia how good does that team look knowing what we know now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Negan said: Come to think of it Cotterill also signed Kodjia, Callum Robinson, Baker and Fredericks.... all 4 are now quality in this league. Cotterill has a good eye for players, maybe he couldn’t get the best out of them in this league but one thing we can’t fault Cotterill for is his recruitment, as for Lee Johnson... well.... let’s hope 4th times a charm. It’s his fifth for what it’s worth ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted May 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: It’s his fifth for what it’s worth ! So it is... thanks for reminding me...... doomed I tell ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Fordy62 said: It is very sad. Cotts left behind a very small squad that was high on quality. We ended the season with a bloated squad full of shit. And now we’re lookinh at selling most of the reliable ones to be replaced by people with a 1 in 10 hit ratio. Scary times. Not just high on quality either - the team spirit fostered by Cotts in that squad was superb as well. The current bloatedness of our squad is a concern - the number of players signed who rarely play or fall out of favour really makes our recruitment look pretty poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Negan said: Come to think of it Cotterill also signed Kodjia, Callum Robinson, Baker and Fredericks.... all 4 are now quality in this league. Cotterill has a good eye for players, maybe he couldn’t get the best out of them in this league but one thing we can’t fault Cotterill for is his recruitment, as for Lee Johnson... well.... let’s hope 4th times a charm. Fielding Ayling Flint Baker Fredericks Robinson Smith Bryan Freeman Reid Kodjia how good does that team look knowing what we know now Can you imagine if he’d been backed to signed two players he wanted: Maguire and Andre Gray...... would they really have cost more than our non-playing signings: Moore, Engvall, Eliasson, Walsh, Hegeler, Woodrow, Kent, Leko, Giefer, Djuric, Magnússon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mendip City said: Can you imagine if he’d been backed to signed two players he wanted: Maguire and Andre Gray...... would they really have cost more than our non-playing signings: Moore, Engvall, Eliasson, Walsh, Hegeler, Woodrow, Kent, Leko, Giefer, Djuric, Magnússon.... We keep being told how professional a club off the field we are, but I for one would like to see some evidence. Maybe the problem is we pay too many key backstage staff peanuts. And I think this problem lies firmly at SL's door, see web for criticisms of Hargreaves Lansdown employee relations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 Cotts deserved the kind of backing Johnson is getting now, he's a better manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 It’s bound to happen one day. Players move on, they weren’t/aren’t outstanding players, don’t see any of them that are still with us or who have already left setting the championship alight with the exception of Bobby, our problem is replacing them with better quality which we are definitely struggling with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 41 minutes ago, BCFC11 said: It’s bound to happen one day. Players move on, they weren’t/aren’t outstanding players, don’t see any of them that are still with us or who have already left setting the championship alight with the exception of Bobby, our problem is replacing them with better quality which we are definitely struggling with. They might not be world beaters but they are known quantities, unlike out of form rejects...... Kent, diony, Walsh or random signings not to be given a chance/of unknown quality: Eliasson, Engvall, Hegeler, Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 4 hours ago, BobbyC said: The squad at Bradford when they won 6-0 and promotion. One of the biggest mistakes was getting rid of the guy in the centre of picture...Mr 110% I'm having a derp moment. Are we on about Ayling, or the guy in the tracksuit waving at the camera? ...Seriously. Who is that? I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Fuber said: I'm having a derp moment. Are we on about Ayling, or the guy in the tracksuit waving at the camera? ...Seriously. Who is that? I have no idea. I've got no idea either. Thought he was on about Agard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 4 hours ago, BobbyC said: The squad at Bradford when they won 6-0 and promotion. One of the biggest mistakes was getting rid of the guy in the centre of picture...Mr 110% The one in the centre is Joe Bryan..?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 I do think the squad got broken up far too quickly in hindsight. Not all, but with most who left there wasn’t too many complaints about at the time. It’s disappointing because of the players we’ve replaced them with. Its also no shock to see a lot of the promotion squad go Vegas together usually. (Not too sure if Cunningham will get an invite this year though!) Got me thinking is there little groups within our big group now? Whereas under Cotterill it was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lerring Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: The one in the centre is Joe Bryan..?! Joe's a great player on his day, but his day can still be pretty hit and miss so definitely not Mr 110%! I guess agard could be this mysterious Mr 110%... a good brainteaser to start the day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 I did say 110% so that counts JB out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 39 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: I do think the squad got broken up far too quickly in hindsight. Not all, but with most who left there wasn’t too many complaints about at the time. It’s disappointing because of the players we’ve replaced them with. Its also no shock to see a lot of the promotion squad go Vegas together usually. (Not too sure if Cunningham will get an invite this year though!) Got me thinking is there little groups within our big group now? Whereas under Cotterill it was one. I notice the likes of Magnússon, Eliasson, Engvall etc hanging out a lot on social media. Likewise Hegeler and Moore seem to be mates. I suppose given the age ranges and now mix of nationalities it’s inevitable there will be more groups within the squad. All the English promotion squad players are also similar in age so I guess that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 8 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Cotts deserved the kind of backing Johnson is getting now, he's a better manager. Proved that at birmingham didn’t he? I loved cotts. But i'm not convinced that he has ever finished as high in the championship as LJ has done this season (i might be wrong..). Eye for a player.. Probably. But tactically a liability at this level and too stubbon to change when things are going badly. And at the time things were going very badly. Too many people are looking back with nostagia and rose tinted specs on here. Plenty on here pining for the league one team??? Really?Look at that squad- are any of the players who have left higher up the table with their current teams than we are? Wilbs? Nope. Ayling? Nope. Little? Nope. Freeman? Nope. Williams? Nope. JET? Nope. Agard? Nope. Wagstaff? Nope.... I'm bored of this. There is one and it's cunningham. A whopping 6 points above us. If you want two you can have tavenier (Although i'm not convinced the scottish premiership is as high in quality as the championship... Different debate mind). Anyways - this suggests to me that they arent quite as good as everyone remembers/is making out. Cotts included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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