BCFCGav Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 They announced around Christmas that due to the high wage bill, they’ll be offloading players IF they fail to gain promotion. They have, so losses are looking inevitable. Apparently we’re looking at a certain Striker but that’s a whole other thread. Today they appointed Lampard, a bloody good player, but a managerial debut in a league like the championship seems a trial by fire to say the least. Bottom half finish next season? Worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 They’ve bankrolled over sensibility for a few seasons hoping it’ll pay off and it hasn’t. It may be tough times ahead, pending their FFP status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 They will be at the front of the queue when it comes to the pick of Chelsea starlets on loan thats for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singingsuperstar Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 minute ago, formerly known as ivan said: They will be at the front of the queue when it comes to the pick of Chelsea starlets on loan thats for sure! Very good point That said our squads due to be bolstered by Lees link with Man City... Right???! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: They will be at the front of the queue when it comes to the pick of Chelsea starlets on loan thats for sure! Thought they were gonna have to cut back on expenditure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 They will finish above us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 35 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: They announced around Christmas that due to the high wage bill, they’ll be offloading players IF they fail to gain promotion. They have, so losses are looking inevitable. Apparently we’re looking at a certain Striker but that’s a whole other thread. Today they appointed Lampard, a bloody good player, but a managerial debut in a league like the championship seems a trial by fire to say the least. Bottom half finish next season? Worse? Interesting to see that Jody Morris has gone with him, I really thought he would take an experienced assistant. Like others have said Derby have really pushed the boat out over recent years and I think Rowett knew this season would be tough, hence why stoke became a popular choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Thought they were gonna have to cut back on expenditure? Ship out someone of 20k a week and bring in someone equally as good or better on 10k a week for the season. That’s how I assume it will work anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singingsuperstar Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Expect to see Tammy appear here, if he's to return to the championship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandwhitescarf Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, daored said: Interesting to see that Jody Morris has gone with him, I really thought he would take an experienced assistant. Like others have said Derby have really pushed the boat out over recent years and I think Rowett knew this season would be tough, hence why stoke became a popular choice The media have been giving Jodie Morris a lot of credit for each success with Chelsea under18s. See it as an astute move for Frank to take Jodie with him Can see a few of these young players being loaned to Derby for some championship experience. If Fulham can play a 17yr old why can't Derby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Army Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 I really think its a good appointment lampard has that natural quality to become a good manager I will be watching his progress with interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 He was very good on twitter when he was here.. (Morris, that is) How many have Derby had recently, 7? Probably isn't just the manager is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, daored said: Interesting to see that Jody Morris has gone with him, I really thought he would take an experienced assistant. Like others have said Derby have really pushed the boat out over recent years and I think Rowett knew this season would be tough, hence why stoke became a popular choice I would think that there may be unofficial roles for Frank Snr and Uncle 'arry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: I would think that there may be unofficial roles for Frank Snr and Uncle 'arry. "Arry unofficially in charge of the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Between heaven and hell Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Tammy on loan to Derby then next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: They’ve bankrolled over sensibility for a few seasons hoping it’ll pay off and it hasn’t. It may be tough times ahead, pending their FFP status. Listening to some on here, if we went chucking loads of money around we would have guaranteed promotion, shows that there are no guarantees in football whatever you spend, especially in the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: Listening to some on here, if we went chucking loads of money around we would have guaranteed promotion, shows that there are no guarantees in football whatever you spend, especially in the Championship No guarantees of course not, but had we pushed the boat out a bit in Jan, I think we would have made the playoffs. Overarching point though I agree- Derby found this out, Sheffield Wednesday likewise- Villa, Boro potentially (depends on next season). Birmingham nearly dropped this year. The big exception is Wolves. I would say though, and yeah they spent more than most- the way Wolves spent, their strategy to go with the money? Cleverer than Derby, Villa and Sheff Wed by far IMO...(Putting aside the ethics of the Wolves strategy, Mendes etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123red1 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 8 hours ago, Between heaven and hell said: Tammy on loan to Derby then next year Derby have NO money, their chairman has said they have to cut down the wage bill massively and get rid of a number of players. I can't see him sanctioning a player on big money when he has just said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 I'm sure Chelsea will give super Frank a discount on loans and wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123red1 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Rocky said: I'm sure Chelsea will give super Frank a discount on loans and wages. I doubt it, they are run as a business not sentiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rocky said: I'm sure Chelsea will give super Frank a discount on loans and wages. Access to loans maybe but not at a discount. Appointing FL is interesting from both sides. Lampard will know that Derby are skint but he obviously sees management with a very limited budget as a challenge. Derby themselves are taking a huge risk in taking on a guy with zero managerial experience. That said all mamangers have to start somewhere..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 37 minutes ago, 123red1 said: Derby have NO money, their chairman has said they have to cut down the wage bill massively and get rid of a number of players. I can't see him sanctioning a player on big money when he has just said that. So they are trying something else as they can’t spend so much anymore. They have got a ‘name’ manager and players will be likely eager to join and work with him. As others have said they have a route from the Chelsea academy players and maybe others through Jodie Morris. Will be interesting to see who they get and will it work. There is so much inexperience within the management team though, not sure having good players are enough if you don’t know what to do with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 50 minutes ago, 123red1 said: Derby have NO money, their chairman has said they have to cut down the wage bill massively and get rid of a number of players. I can't see him sanctioning a player on big money when he has just said that. We get central news and they had an interview with Lampard yesterday. It was noticeable how gagey Frank became when asked about how much money he has to spend on new players. His comment was that he had had discussions with the chairman/owner about that, but would not go into any detail at all. If he does well then, good luck to the guy, but can't help feeling that this might be too big job too soon and at the wrong time, in terms of Derby's financial position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 38 minutes ago, downendcity said: We get central news and they had an interview with Lampard yesterday. It was noticeable how gagey Frank became when asked about how much money he has to spend on new players. His comment was that he had had discussions with the chairman/owner about that, but would not go into any detail at all. If he does well then, good luck to the guy, but can't help feeling that this might be too big job too soon and at the wrong time, in terms of Derby's financial position. There will be a lot of pressure for him to produce using his contacts and mates rates deals, but business is business and how many will commit themselves to working for a mates for thousands and thousands of pounds less then they could get elsewhere. Like you said, too big a job too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 12 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: No guarantees of course not, but had we pushed the boat out a bit in Jan, I think we would have made the playoffs. Overarching point though I agree- Derby found this out, Sheffield Wednesday likewise- Villa, Boro potentially (depends on next season). Birmingham nearly dropped this year. The big exception is Wolves. I would say though, and yeah they spent more than most- the way Wolves spent, their strategy to go with the money? Cleverer than Derby, Villa and Sheff Wed by far IMO...(Putting aside the ethics of the Wolves strategy, Mendes etc). problem is people wanted us to push the boat out and sign a striker in jan (which we did) when goal scorer was never the problem, defending was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 47 minutes ago, Monkeh said: problem is people wanted us to push the boat out and sign a striker in jan (which we did) when goal scorer was never the problem, defending was Our defence was pretty sound first half of season- especially in the 4-4-1-1 configuration (I know, I know Villa- but that was a game too far). When we went to 4-4-2 that is when there was a clear and quite drastic decline IMO. 4-4-2 leaves us too open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Our defence was pretty sound first half of season- especially in the 4-4-1-1 configuration (I know, I know Villa- but that was a game too far). When we went to 4-4-2 that is when there was a clear and quite drastic decline IMO. 4-4-2 leaves us too open. we aren't strong enough for a 4-4-2 the midfield is too week, which is why the 4-4-1-1 worked so well as we had an extra midfielder at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: we aren't strong enough for a 4-4-2 the midfield is too week, which is why the 4-4-1-1 worked so well as we had an extra midfielder at times Exactly- agree with that. Don't think we'll progress on the pitch if we play a 4-4-2 in any case- this division has changed and is still changing. Look at the top 6- how many of them played a straight 4-4-2 week in week out? Would even argue that the 4-4-1-1 with Paterson behind Reid was at times a strikerless formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: Exactly- agree with that. Don't think we'll progress on the pitch if we play a 4-4-2 in any case- this division has changed and is still changing. Look at the top 6- how many of them played a straight 4-4-2 week in week out? as much as i like fammy, his inclusion coincided with our run of form as we tried to fit him in, (understandable with what we paid for him) we need some combative midfielders, pack and smith are workman like and busy but they are too similar and not good enough defensively, the last few games you could count on one hand the amount of tackles going in outside the 18 yard box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 The bit that I don’t get is if we play 442 and the opposition play say 433, they will have advantages in certain areas, and we will in others. There is no magic formula / formation, it’s about getting the best out of your individuals and overall the team. If you know you are playing 442 against 433, you should be trying to exploit your positions of advantage and minimising the opportunities the opponent has to take advantage of theirs. The biggest problem I see is where we stay rigid to our set-up, often allowing overloads, e.g in the wide positions (against say Joe), yet 2 players (sometimes 3) aren’t marking anyone. Leaders on the pitch and astute head-coaches stop that happening, or react quickly, either altering something or imposing their strengths further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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