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Jack Marriott signs for Derby (Merged)

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25 minutes ago, BessexRED said:

believe me I'm well aware.

Isn’t a competition was just trying to pass what I know onto people. What they forum is for fella 

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32 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Reminds me of Tony Thorpe judging by that video, no bad thing. Pretty quick too.

The defending at the Mem was a tad comical, he had enough room for a new tent for the 3rd one! 

Lose the silly hairstyle as well. #MOANYOLDGIT.

He reminded me of Ian Wright more than Tony Thorpe, but similar to both. 

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51 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

This would suggest that's the case.

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Cool. Thanks.  One think I look for in a lower league striker is goals with both feet....

47 minutes ago, cityal said:

He seems like a decent all round striker from that footage, albeit at a lower level than championship (he even bagged a hatrick against the worlds sixth richest team!) - one thing I noticed on the video is the number of those goals he scores with the first touch and often off balance too. This is a good sign imo, as no matter what level he plays at being able to get the shot away early will make it harder for the goalkeeper and defence than trying to take a few touches.

He also scored quite a few one on ones - could we finally have found a player that is actually clinical in those situations?  (or are we not being shown the six misses that it took to score one like most of our recent strikers  :fear: )

.....and then the types.  Is the other foot just a swinger, or is it a genuine confident foot.  In Marriott’s case, it’s not a swinger.  Looks like he will favour his right, but happy on his left.  The other thing is what foot does he control with.  Some players will only control with their stronger foot.  Marriott in one of the last goals in that clip, first touch with left, to manoeuvre it onto his left.  A defender who knows his opponent is one-footed, might’ve easily anticipated the touch, turn and shot, but looks like Marriott can go either way.

38 minutes ago, JamboBCFC said:

Best thing watching the video is I wasn't sure until he took the penalty which was his stronger foot. Looks pretty clinical off both.

Thanks for the video @BobBobSuperBob

The one worry for me is price tag....and invariably Peterboro get the best of the deal. £3-4m sounds right, but you can bet McAnthony wants £5+.

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Seems a lot of money but that also seems to be the going rate these days. He could turn into a £10M player, if he does have the actual talent.

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Interesting that McAnthony specified the price was wrong, but left the rest open, suggests some truth in it.

However, he denied Peterborough being interested in one player, shortly before he was announced as signing for the the other day I believe. So not too sure whether anything should be read from it.

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3 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Interesting that McAnthony specified the price was wrong, but left the rest open, suggests some truth in it.

However, he denied Peterborough being interested in one player, shortly before he was announced as signing for the the other day I believe. So not too sure whether anything should be read from it.

He likes a tease on twitter.

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8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

He likes a tease on twitter.

He's said there's another outgoing transfer for them this week.

Hopefully that means we'll know one way or the other about Marriott soon.

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1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said:

He's said there's another outgoing transfer for them this week.

Hopefully that means we'll know one way or the other about Marriott soon.

Chris Forrester left them for Aberdeen 

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Brett Pitman was a favourite of mine so I like the sound of a 'hard working Pitman'.

A natural finisher will score goals at any level if the service is there, though the marking in the Championship, and the improved goalkeeping, will obviously be a challenge to him.

Bit on the short side - 5'8" according to wiki - but still managed 4 headed goals so obviously adept at finding space in the box.

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3 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

That’s how it sounds

 

@Davefevs - you may of seen it but found this - which gives you a feel for him

Clarifies my impression of him , good finisher , finishes well with decent service but doesn’t often create his own 

Not sure I’d pay 4/5 m for him , he’d be a  gamble at that price that could prove to be genius or a a big miss

Maybe alongside FD he’d be fine , but he would need ‘feeding’

 

He won't see much defending like that in the Championship, as Matty found, but natural poachers are hard to come by so well worth signing.

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46 minutes ago, mozo said:

He won't see much defending like that in the Championship, as Matty found, but natural poachers are hard to come by so well worth signing.

Agree

And would be my major concern

Interesting you compare him to Taylor as they are not dissimilar IMHO (but Marriot looks to me a more accomplished finisher)

But , he’s looked a poacher / scorer since he first appeared at Luton and plenty like him have carried on scoring as they rise soma difficult call 

 

So annoying that we could have picked him up for £200-300k max from Luton when we signed Hinds and Bakinson :grr:

At 4/5 million a far more difficult call !!!!

 

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6 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

So annoying that we could have picked him up for £200-300k max from Luton when we signed Hinds and Bakinson :grr:

At 4/5 million a far more difficult call !!!!

 

If we had signed him then he probably would've disappeared into the same black hole that seems to have swallowed their careers.

I'm still not convinced that we have given a lot of our recent signings a chance. Just go out and sign a load more that Lee decides not to play.

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Don’t know too much about this guy but if he’s coming here I think we should give our recruitment the benefit of the doubt.

We have an exceptional record with forwards over the last few years and that seems like one position we get more right than wrong.

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Maybe a little early to say that Hinds and Bakinson have fallen in to a black hole. Both players are 19 years old and are 4/5 years younger than Marriott.

Bakinson is heavily tipped to break through this season so perhaps we should reserve judgement before adding them to the list of LJ misdemeanours.

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30 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

If we had signed him then he probably would've disappeared into the same black hole that seems to have swallowed their careers.

I'm still not convinced that we have given a lot of our recent signings a chance. Just go out and sign a load more that Lee decides not to play.

Nonsense! They’re 19, plenty of time yet...

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19 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

wrong post quoted 

what are you talking about,

both signed as ones for the future both played in some cup games and both on the fringes of the first team,

who should we drop for them, Ried and Pack perhaps or maybe fammy and Brownhill?

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52 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

If we had signed him then he probably would've disappeared into the same black hole that seems to have swallowed their careers.

I'm still not convinced that we have given a lot of our recent signings a chance. Just go out and sign a load more that Lee decides not to play.

Go on then who do they come in and replace from the first team.

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46 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

“EFL” meaning what exactly?

Some Twitter handle with 1 follower and run by a spotty virgin, I expect.

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8 hours ago, mozo said:

He won't see much defending like that in the Championship, as Matty found, but natural poachers are hard to come by so well worth signing.

Only when we play attack vs defence in training! :)

 

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1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said:

“EFL” meaning what exactly?

If it's on twitter

Extremely
F**king
Likely

Edit - I appear to have got the f bomb thru the swear filter. Apologies, have starred out :fear:

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Let's be honest with the speed of our media department during last year's window when Twitter had people taking photos with new signings hours before we announced it there is every chance he's signed, met everyone, picked his number, gone on holiday and come back, trained twice, moved to Bristol and met a nice Bristolian girl before they announce it! 

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6 minutes ago, Alex#40 said:

Let's be honest with the speed of our media department during last year's window when Twitter had people taking photos with new signings hours before we announced it there is every chance he's signed, met everyone, picked his number, gone on holiday and come back, trained twice, moved to Bristol and met a nice Bristolian girl before they announce it! 

don't forget had lunch with Alan Curbishley at the Avon Gorge Hotel

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Personally would understand this. Both Luton and Peterborough good producers of good footballers who get well coached and schooled. Done well in League 2 for Luton and strong first season in League One ad knows how to score. Looks a more complete striker to me than Bobby (I personally think Bobby is best as an attacking midfielder but also has a poachers instinct), and at 23, could improve past him. If he had a 15-20 goal season in the Championship, under a 3/4 year contract and only 24 I would expect him to be worth in the region of 7-10m so as a business deal, it makes sense. We could buy him for 4.5m, and sell Bobby for 6m, have a decent replacement who is a more all round striker, and is younger and open to improve past Bobby and have some spare change in the bank from the sale of Bobby.

I wouldn't be disappointed with this signing at all.

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1 hour ago, Rocky said:

Some Twitter handle with 1 follower and run by a spotty virgin, I expect.

Good enough for me. Welcome to the club Jack.

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Am I the only one who thinks this signing goes against everything that the club has said about signings over the last few years?

This is not us unearthing a relatively cheap gem from the lower leagues or abroad ala COD, Magnussen, Moore.  Nor is this us signing lesser known but more experienced players like Kodjia or Diedhiou.

whether you agree with those signings or not, the reasoning was clear and fitted with what the club said was our strategy

Marriott looks like us paying over the odds for someone in my opinion. Something we said we wouldnt do.

 

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1 hour ago, Woodsy said:

If it's on twitter

Extremely
F**king
Likely

Edit - I appear to have got the f bomb thru the swear filter. Apologies, have starred out :fear:

What’s reckon wooders

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Peterborough asking in excess of £6m for him so would expect substantially more for Reid. If Matty Taylor is part of the deal it could work for both sides, depending how much Taylor’s value is. We don’t want to ‘do a Rovers’ and give him away for nothing.

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Bristol City have emerged as favourites to sign Peterborough United striker Jack Marriott. Bookmaker Bet Victor stopped taking bets on Marriott’s next destination after a flurry of wagers on the 23 year-old moving to Ashton Gate. Dwight Gayle is Posh's record sale. Posh chairman Darragh MacAnthony was asked on social media last night (June 5) about reports of Marriott joining City for £4.5 million and he replied, mischievously: “That figure is incorrect as is (the case on) most of these rumour sites.” One report has suggested City have offered striker Matty Taylor as part-exchange for Marriott. City manager Lee Johnson said recently: “It could be that we can’t compete with Premier League finances. You look at players like Marriott at Peterborough and you are talking four or five million for a player in the Championship.” Nottingham Forest and Sheffield Wednesday have also been linked with Marriott. Posh are demanding a fee in excess of the club record £6 million Crystal Palace paid for Dwight Gayle in July, 2013. Posh paid Luton Town just £450,000 for Marriott last summer, but the Hatters are understood to have inserted a significant sell-on clause around the 20% mark.

Read more at: https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/posh/latest-news-new-favourites-to-sign-peterborough-united-striker-jack-marriott-1-8523197 

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4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Bristol City have emerged as favourites to sign Peterborough United striker Jack Marriott. Bookmaker Bet Victor stopped taking bets on Marriott’s next destination after a flurry of wagers on the 23 year-old moving to Ashton Gate. Dwight Gayle is Posh's record sale. Posh chairman Darragh MacAnthony was asked on social media last night (June 5) about reports of Marriott joining City for £4.5 million and he replied, mischievously: “That figure is incorrect as is (the case on) most of these rumour sites.” One report has suggested City have offered striker Matty Taylor as part-exchange for Marriott. City manager Lee Johnson said recently: “It could be that we can’t compete with Premier League finances. You look at players like Marriott at Peterborough and you are talking four or five million for a player in the Championship.” Nottingham Forest and Sheffield Wednesday have also been linked with Marriott. Posh are demanding a fee in excess of the club record £6 million Crystal Palace paid for Dwight Gayle in July, 2013. Posh paid Luton Town just £450,000 for Marriott last summer, but the Hatters are understood to have inserted a significant sell-on clause around the 20% mark.

Read more at: https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/posh/latest-news-new-favourites-to-sign-peterborough-united-striker-jack-marriott-1-8523197 

Corrrrrrrrr.

I'm actually quite excited. Could end up with the next Gayle, Gray or Assombalonga. They've not done too badly have they?

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17 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Am I the only one who thinks this signing goes against everything that the club has said about signings over the last few years?

This is not us unearthing a relatively cheap gem from the lower leagues or abroad ala COD, Magnussen, Moore.  Nor is this us signing lesser known but more experienced players like Kodjia or Diedhiou.

whether you agree with those signings or not, the reasoning was clear and fitted with what the club said was our strategy

Marriott looks like us paying over the odds for someone in my opinion. Something we said we wouldnt do.

 

When you consider that Wolves are apparently bidding 35m for a right back and Fulham 25m for a midfield player and Villa quoting 40m for Grealish can 4.5m on a youngish goalscorer from a league below really be consider over the odds? I know we are no longer competing with the first two (for this season anyway) but I would say this transfer would be less than the Nicky Maynard transfer from 10 years ago (taking into account the rate of inflation transfers have increased by in that time) and that didn't turn out too bad

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34 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Am I the only one who thinks this signing goes against everything that the club has said about signings over the last few years?

This is not us unearthing a relatively cheap gem from the lower leagues or abroad ala COD, Magnussen, Moore.  Nor is this us signing lesser known but more experienced players like Kodjia or Diedhiou.

whether you agree with those signings or not, the reasoning was clear and fitted with what the club said was our strategy

Marriott looks like us paying over the odds for someone in my opinion. Something we said we wouldnt do.

 

Is it really over the odds though? The market is hugely inflated in this country  

If Kodjia (20+ at championship level) - two years ago - is worth £15m then is £5-£6m for the best end of L1 over the odds?

Goalscorers cost a lot more money than other positions. 

Is £400k over the odds for a 2 bed flat? You’d say so of course but in the context of the market it’s just the going rate. 

As long as we’re recouping market rate for the players that move on it’s all relative. 

I would say signing a proven L1 goal scorer doesn’t go against the grain of what we said we’d do at all. It’s the sort of signing you’d expect a club of our stature to make as opposed to paying 2 or 3 times that for an established Championship striker 

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50 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Am I the only one who thinks this signing goes against everything that the club has said about signings over the last few years?

This is not us unearthing a relatively cheap gem from the lower leagues or abroad ala COD, Magnussen, Moore.  Nor is this us signing lesser known but more experienced players like Kodjia or Diedhiou.

whether you agree with those signings or not, the reasoning was clear and fitted with what the club said was our strategy

Marriott looks like us paying over the odds for someone in my opinion. Something we said we wouldnt do.

 

4.5m for a 20 goal a season striker, if he does the same in the Championship he's worth twice that, so for me definitely doesn't go against the clubs signing procedure. Paying 12m for Afobe would !

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16 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Is it really over the odds though? The market is hugely inflated in this country  

If Kodjia (20+ at championship level) - two years ago - is worth £15m then is £5-£6m for the best end of L1 over the odds?

Goalscorers cost a lot more money than other positions. 

Is £400k over the odds for a 2 bed flat? You’d say so of course but in the context of the market it’s just the going rate. 

As long as we’re recouping market rate for the players that move on it’s all relative. 

I would say signing a proven L1 goal scorer doesn’t go against the grain of what we said we’d do at all. It’s the sort of signing you’d expect a club of our stature to make as opposed to paying 2 or 3 times that for an established Championship striker 

And it's been suggested that Villa want £40M for Grealish!!! Put's that possible fee into perspective in a crazy market!

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7 minutes ago, Andy Horsman said:

And it's been suggested that Villa want £40M for Grealish!!! Put's that possible fee into perspective in a crazy market!

'Want doesn't get' and they'd be lucky to get 15m for Grealish imo.

110 career apps. in 5 seasons, more than half of them in the Championship, plus off field shenanigans does not equal a 40m player!! 

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I think people on here are still judging this rumour, Diedhiou's signing and others we've made recently by the value of money in English football 5 or 10 years ago. There's so much money in English football, baulking at a £4.5 million fee for a young striker scoring for fun in a lower league will unfortunately get us nowhere.

As I've said before, why should we care about how much we spend on a player, it doesn't affect us? Sure, it would be nice to know we're making shrewd signings just to know that the club's being run intelligently, but (within reason) I couldn't care less what the figure is if we're signing the top scorer from the League below us, young, two-footed and a poacher, I'm just excited that this could happen.

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1 minute ago, devoncider said:

Would Mings be 'over the moon' if it was us, rather than say Forest or someone else?

Question can go either way really.

Would Mings be over the moon if it was Forest, rather than someone else?

 

Mings has no playing history at any of the teams Marriott is linked with, but is from Bath and played for non-league teams in our local area.

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Just now, Nogbad the Bad said:

'Want doesn't get' and they'd be lucky to get 15m for Grealish imo.

110 career apps. in 5 seasons, more than half of them in the Championship, plus off field shenanigans does not equal a 40m player!! 

young and english does

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