BigTone Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Engvalls gone - Inevitable Flints gone - sad but also inevitable Mags gone - sad as I thought he had great potential Reid - to get £10m for a player who has had one good season in 18 years is an amazing bit of business Bryan - inevitable he will go next Am I downhearted ? - surprisingly not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, BigTone said: Engvalls gone - Inevitable Flints gone - sad but also inevitable Mags gone - sad as I thought he had great potential Reid - to get £10m for a player who has had one good season in 18 years is an amazing bit of business Bryan - inevitable he will go next Am I downhearted ? - surprisingly not Not really, because I can understand why we sold these players. What I am interested in is how we reinvest the money. We've got to bring in a few direct first teamers and that'll be expensive. These will probably be the most important signings LJ has made during his time here and it's essential they're correct. If he gets these wrong and we go through a bad run of form early season.. I can't see him staying in his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Of course I'm downhearted, it's the default position following this club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Not at all. As ever looking forward to the start of the season. The only cloud is the hysteria regarding the selling of a couple of players. It’s quite embarrassing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm not either! The way we played in the second half of the season showed that a few players really didn't want to be here, and 1 of them has already gone (Flint) with Bryan maybe on his way as well. Things IMO had gone a bit stale and some new faces were required. Marley in already, Webster looking highly likely, and Marriot a possible with the Scunny lad. We've made some serious profit as well, so personally I'm well happy so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 No not at all we’ve got good money for them best part of 20 million, vyner to step up and make an impact Kelly coming though we already have a 20 goal striker in fammy if he keeps fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Not really, because I can understand why we sold these players. What I am interested in is how we reinvest the money. We've got to bring in a few direct first teamers and that'll be expensive. These will probably be the most important signings LJ has made during his time here and it's essential they're correct. If he gets these wrong and we go through a bad run of form early season.. I can't see him staying in his job Pretty much sums up where we are at as it stands. This next 6 months will make or break LJ at BCFC. If he makes quality signings and beds them in and we finish at least mid table with a decent home record he will be sitting pretty. If he makes a mess of it and we struggle he wont see the new year. If we are going to develop players to sell and then replace them with other prospects then you cant keep using the excuse that we have bad runs due to a 'young group;, as basically you are just advocating constant failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Not really, because I can understand why we sold these players. What I am interested in is how we reinvest the money. We've got to bring in a few direct first teamers and that'll be expensive. These will probably be the most important signings LJ has made during his time here and it's essential they're correct. If he gets these wrong and we go through a bad run of form early season.. I can't see him staying in his job I really think this will be the making or breaking of our time in the Championship. Replacing the spine of the team is not easy but we've seen over the past three years that it was an imperfect spine in any case. Keep with the same team and we'd keep getting great streaks and poor streaks as we know that group of players are prone to extended to winless runs. But those were decent some players nonetheless and we could really struggle. Ultimately, even if we've been forced to twist rather than stick, this is the point where we gamble our future. Get it right and we might find ourselves in a far stronger position this time next year. Get it wrong and, even if we stay up, we may find ourselves on a slow lurch towards league one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said: I really think this will be the making or breaking of our time in the Championship. Replacing the spine of the team is not easy but we've seen over the past three years that it was an imperfect spine in any case. Keep with the same team and we'd keep getting great streaks and poor streaks as we know that group of players are prone to extended to winless runs. But those were decent some players nonetheless and we could really struggle. Ultimately, even if we've been forced to twist rather than stick, this is the point where we gamble our future. Get it right and we might find ourselves in a far stronger position this time next year. Get it wrong and, even if we stay up, we may find ourselves on a slow lurch towards league one... I actually think he will get it right too. I've believed in Johnson for a long time, if he has total autonomy of transfers - without any meddling from Ashton - I think he'll recruit well and we'll have another good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sniper said: I'm not either! The way we played in the second half of the season showed that a few players really didn't want to be here, and 1 of them has already gone (Flint) with Bryan maybe on his way as well. Things IMO had gone a bit stale and some new faces were required. Marley in already, Webster looking highly likely, and Marriot a possible with the Scunny lad. We've made some serious profit as well, so personally I'm well happy so far. Pardon my ignorance but I am away in Australia so have been out of the loop a tad. Who is the Scunny lad everybody is referring to ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, BigTone said: Pardon my ignorance but I am away in Australia so have been out of the loop a tad. Who is the Scunny lad everybody is referring to ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeeb_Adelakun This guy - seems we are/were trying to bring him in and it's gone to tribunal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad blit Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Are there any players left that people would be truly shocked/upset if they left? Personally for me the only one now would be Josh Brownhill as he would be the first name on the team sheet everytime for me, and very much the unsung hero with all his all action displays wherever he is positioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Northski Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 We've just sold 3 of our best players and and Lee and Mark Ashton are about to buy replacements, and you're not downhearted !! I suggest you seek shade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeeb_Adelakun This guy - seems we are/were trying to bring him in and it's gone to tribunal. Ta muchly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Lord Northski said: and you're not downhearted !! No I'm not. Don't know why either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, brad blit said: Are there any players left that people would be truly shocked/upset if they left? Personally for me the only one now would be Josh Brownhill as he would be the first name on the team sheet everytime for me, and very much the unsung hero with all his all action displays wherever he is positioned. Personally I think it would be disappointing to see any of Brownhill, Diedhiou, O'Dowda, Kelly, or Pack go. The first four because they've all got the potential to improve further and become excellent players for us. Pack because he's really blossomed and become an excellent midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Personally I think it would be disappointing to see any of Brownhill, Diedhiou, O'Dowda, Kelly, or Pack go. The first four because they've all got the potential to improve further and become excellent players for us. Pack because he's really blossomed and become an excellent midfielder. Pack will go if he doesn't sign a new contract, fact will be we can probably get £2m-£3m for him with 12 months left so to take him from that from £75k is excellent business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad blit Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Personally I think it would be disappointing to see any of Brownhill, Diedhiou, O'Dowda, Kelly, or Pack go. The first four because they've all got the potential to improve further and become excellent players for us. Pack because he's really blossomed and become an excellent midfielder. I did forget about O'Dowda to be fair, he would probably be included in that if he could regain his form before he got injured. It would not surprise me if Pack was another that leaves this summer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 36 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I actually think he will get it right too. I've believed in Johnson for a long time, if he has total autonomy of transfers - without any meddling from Ashton - I think he'll recruit well and we'll have another good season. What I suspect - with no real evidence to back it up - is there have been certain players in the squad who LJ pereceived as detrimental to the group. I actually think the major issue with autonomy may have been less who he was free to recruit than who he was free to move on. When we had the statement a few months back about "difficult choices" during the summer or whatever it was, I think he had reached a point where he had said to the board that some players needed to leave or we would get the same slump each season. I don't know which players those would be and don't necessarily think that is the reason for players who have left this week but I would not be surprised to see more players out before the summer is over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted June 28, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, BigTone said: Engvalls gone - Inevitable Flints gone - sad but also inevitable Mags gone - sad as I thought he had great potential Reid - to get £10m for a player who has had one good season in 18 years is an amazing bit of business Bryan - inevitable he will go next Am I downhearted ? - surprisingly not We've been here before many times over the years and no doubt a new hero will step up from the shadows over the coming season I can honestly say since watching City since 1987 the only time I've been really down about a player leaving was when Scott Murray left for Reading, I was just off to Glastonbury festival, I was on a downer all sober parts of that weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 feeling totally deflated and defeated tbh. After all the good work and progress it feels like we've let the handbrake go. I'm hoping to be proved wrong, and I'm hoping we pump the cash back and sign well. It just feels so city and so predictable. Landing Marriott would be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I’m a bit deflated. There’s one signing that would cheer me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Big C said: Not at all. As ever looking forward to the start of the season. The only cloud is the hysteria regarding the selling of a couple of players. It’s quite embarrassing really. Thing is though most fans are realistic and knew this would happen but dont feel the need to be keyboard warriors. If we Sell players like O'Dowda or Brownhill young players who will only get better then yes I would be angry. It will be interesting to see how we replace this players as Tone said above . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm a little downhearted but in all honesty but the main blow for me was Flint rather than Bobby, I still feel like the price was too low and it's not just what he offered on the field but off of it too, he's a real positive guy. I think Webster looks like a really good signing if he can stay fit which helps soften the blow but I think my optimism will be based on who we bring in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm crushed. We've lost the crown jewels. The men in charge of replacing the Great Star of Africa could easily try and replace it with the Alright Star of Barnsley. Joking aside this is devastating. I'm very realistic about our position in the footballing world, I understand why they've gone but that doesn't mean I'm not massively saddened by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Not down hearted at all,quite excited about who else we are going to bring in,will my excitement be cruelly crushed........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I’m fine with it to be honest...good money coming in..flints replacement already bagged, I am sure a decent replacement for Reid will come In whether that’s Marriott or elsewhere. looking forward to new season as always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: What I suspect - with no real evidence to back it up - is there have been certain players in the squad who LJ pereceived as detrimental to the group. I actually think the major issue with autonomy may have been less who he was free to recruit than who he was free to move on. When we had the statement a few months back about "difficult choices" during the summer or whatever it was, I think he had reached a point where he had said to the board that some players needed to leave or we would get the same slump each season. I don't know which players those would be and don't necessarily think that is the reason for players who have left this week but I would not be surprised to see more players out before the summer is over... Interesting conjecture LB. Germany had avery strong squad going into the WC yet almost across the board the pundits have commented that something is not right within the squad. Perhaps it is that after a period of time, some players - or more likely, small groups of players - become a bit too big for the squad. Perhaps this then makes it difficult for new players to be accepted and break into the team because of a "controlling clique". Have we got this sort of issue in our dressing room? I am absolutely not ITK in this regard, but when i was playing, back in the days when they kept score with wax tablets, I moved around with my job, so was always an outsider coming in to the clubs I joined and at one or two clubs it quickly became apparent that there was a small group of players who either had the managers ear, or had a huge amount of influence within the dressing room. Ive read loads of posts over the last season or so commenting that it is the nucleus of the promotion team that has been crucial for LJ. In order for us to move on and improve perhaps we need to make a clean break from our league 1 days, halcyon though the promotion season might have been. Losing players like Flint. Reid and Bryan is no easy thing, but it might just turn out to be a blessing in disguise longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red panda Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Sorry to sound optimistic, but if we're going to lose players it's good that it happens early, so we don't have to panic buy a replacement or get left in the lurch. Apologies if this implies that someone working at the club is mildly competent, as we all know that's not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Great money . We’re a selling club always have been . The club have show no real ambition as was proven in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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