BobBobSuperBob Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Evening all Apologies after disappearing for several reasons after the forum posts - Anyone who asked a specific q resulting from it and not answered below - I will try and answer directly at some point Will stay out of the today’s post match reaction and rewind the clock to my Post Forum thoughts and some bits that came out that some might find interesting, relevant and want to chew over , and clarify some misinformation that has surfaced from the Forum The badge I see one of our posters has indicated that ‘Concorde’ was mentioned unless it was mentioned Post Forum it wasn’t mentioned by JL on stage ‘ Replacing / Finding a striker from the academy ‘ In fairness this has been misrepresented , when asked about finding a Goalscorer MA and LJ explained that they are at a premium and very costly in the Championship and we had to look to see how we could replace goals including seeing what we could develop from within. - it was NOT a case of we will / need to replace from academy Leaders & Characters Lee was asked about characters / Leaders and having said in 2016 we needed leaders and the same again recently 2 years or so later , why we were still saying the same thing and hadn’t recruited a leader(s) LJ explained that they had been retrying to develop leaders amongst the group and mentioned MP specifically Position in Possession LJ , in response to a question spent some time explaining what he means by this. I won’t go into detail on this post but simplified , where he wants players to be when we are in possession - suppporting , or, protecting the player in possession - ( becoming more cautious ? may be relevant to some of our turgid play IMHO) Side v Leeds said he was picking a side that would ‘run and sprint’ Then named side as played today except COD was starting instead of Adelukan When he named Paterson I think most let out a noise of surprise off the back of his run and sprint comment Which takes me into Jamie Paterson From a number of comment , Lee is clearly confused himself whether or real problem is creativity or taking of chances and unsure whether to look for a Goalscorer or a creator Lee didn’t say this specifically but he clearly sees JP as one of our best chance of being a creator and I think that’s why he keeps trying to shoehorn him in Famara Diedhiou LJ appears, unsurprisingly , clearly disappointed in Famaras influence / performances recently and kept saying he ‘needs to get him going’ as he did with a number of the players and the players as a collective Matt Taylor Been struggling as he’s been having 2 hrs sleep at a time due to a new baby The way we’ve been playing Lee thinks we have been playing well , and cutting through the first two thirds of the pitch with ease but struggling with creating and taking chances He, on a number of occasions , accepted Preston performance was awful but put it down to one bad game on a number of occasions it was pointed out to him that in Fans opinions it wasn’t a one off bad game and cited Wigan , Rotherham etc but LJ didn’t accept that I thought it summed up when one chap said to Lee ‘ It’s not one bad game Lee it’s 10 wins or so since January’ LJ turned to the supporter and said ‘ I know , and why ? ‘ the supporter together with the others present looked bemused and the supporter rightly said ‘ I don’t know Lee , you’re the manager , you tell me’ Lee’s explanations were a mix of refereeing decisions , injuries , the loss of ‘ 3 £15. Million pound strikers’ in 3 seasons and the loss of Flint Bryan and particularly Reid (I think he’s right about Reid) Slightly worryingly he particularly highlighted as an example Hordurs long throw to Flint but in fairness also explained why he felt Bobby so valuable I won’t go into full detail but he is absolutely full of and focused on stats Lee Himself In discussing the pressure on him I thought Lee made a very good point Someone on here asked if LJ feared the sack - would he have been brave enough to blood Max Lee made a similar point insomuch he said he tries to get involved with U 13s etc and if he thought he was going to get the sack soon why would he bother with the acdemy, ie was he doing the right thing and the message that he needs that security / backing to get involved that way - It’s a fair and valid point but more a question of priorities at present time for me Lee comes across as a decent bloke and have to say again how I admired him for stating so long stood amongst supporters answering questions and discussing various things There are some things he mentioned that I don’t think fair to post on here but most don’t reflect on him or his abilities or otherwise Having listened to him at close hand for a hour some of my general thoughts about him were strengthened Very passionate lives and breathes football and his post Very confident in his abilities, possibly to a degree not yet born out by his performance. He made a claim at one point that with a top end budget he’d ‘walk the championship’ - Confidence is good, indeed probably vital but over confidence or belief is possibly not Lee appears a bit confused and maybe shocked by recent performances or lack of and kept saying about needing to get the ‘players going’ Unsurprisingly, He is clearly feeling the pressure He also appears in confusion and dilemna as to whether our real problems lie in our creativity in the final third or our lack of real goal scorer I have to confess, listening to him closely I think he could be described as dillusional ( IMHO ) in the way he describes and sees us playing and our performances He again spoke about his ‘Busy Bee’ philosophy , but when asked how Famara fitted into any ‘Busy Bee’ philosophy he couldn’t really explain In all honesty Having spoken to him on a few occasions and watched him since he’s been here I keep coming back to the same thing Somebody on the Forum thread mentioned ‘aura’ I heard GJ speak and on a number of occasions and thought he epitomised aura, I recall thinking ‘Yep I’d want to play for you’ I’ve been lucky enough, on occasions to meet various characters in the game and some have had a natural aura and presence , some not For me personally , Lee just doesn’t have that aura / presence - that’s not a criticism , that’s just the way it is So when it comes to managing the players and getting the best from them Lee can try the bullying or Churchill approach , or cajoling with a backdrop of credibility If I’m honest I believe that Lee has , and does try both For me he simply doesn’t have the presence / aura or credibility to,pulll off the first the second, - He clearly tries this and clearly appears to back up his coaching with a lot of stats and analysis - credibility still a question ? His passion is clear , but I just don’t see him tactically or maybe more importantly , a clever / good ‘manager / leader / motivator’ Personally I think he gets too hung up in details and stats and he has the misfortune of saying , what I regard as silly or strange things which as I stood there the other night , and on previous occasions , if I was a player I’d be thinking ‘oh shut up’ or ‘What ?..eh ? ‘ I’m not at all sure he has either the respect of players or that they fear him or any other motivational factor I’d love to know the real truth about recruitment - a conversation I had at the Forum makes me suspect MAs fingers in the pie I think LJ is trying to follow some demanding ‘wants’ from the owner as best he can if I’m honest I’m not sure he’s up to the whole task At one point you could almost see his exasperation as he said ‘ I’ve got to develop players from the academy , sell players to get funds in , and be twenty points clear at the top of this league’ Slightly dramatic but you get his drift So just a few bits for people to mull over My immediate fear is that I sense / smell a Head Coach and Squad that looks lacking in ideas or consistency in approach and has a relegation fight feel all over it atm - And Personally I don’t fancy this squad in a relegation battle As I said earlier in the week , right man , wrong job for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Thanks Bob, much appreciated. I for one have long been convinced that MA has far too much influence over recruitment and have some sympathy with LJ on that front. I don't doubt Ashton's ego means we will never have a DoF. LJ overstates his case but he also has a point about the unrealistic expectation that he should be developing and selling players consistently yet still deliver promotion. Like you though I no longer think LJ has what it takes but any fans who think the kind of big name manager they crave would work under the constraints Ashton imposes, presumably with SL's blessing, are kidding themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Really interesting read, thanks. Would be very keen to get to the next one as it sounds like there was a lot of interesting discussion had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Have to say , what worried me most was the apparent lack of a clear plan atm (First team wise) and confusion and even some bewilderment at why some things were happening / not happening He appears to believe some tweaks will find the answer His focus / proliority appears to be on the No 10 and goal scoring positions with no mention of improving the midfield oh , in a hopeful note Bakinson has been earning some good plaudits at Newport and appears to be coming on strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 The bit about the aura really hits home for me. Granted this is an opinion but I just can’t see Lee Johnson firing up a side at HT or getting into them after a bad performance. Think our performances suggest this as well. Over his tenure we seem to be ok in the big high pressure games because well, it is easier to do so. Then you get you midweek games at wigan or Rotherham where we seem to always struggle. This is where LJ seems to really struggle. Getting the side up for a non glamourous tie. We talk about leaders on the pitch but I am not sure we have a leader on the sidelines and for me that is a vital trait for a good manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Thanks Bob. Did Lee talk about his relationship with his employer? I’m intrigued. I’d say both are well and truly out of their footballing depth..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: The bit about the aura really hits home for me. Granted this is an opinion but I just can’t see Lee Johnson firing up a side at HT or getting into them after a bad performance. Think our performances suggest this as well. Over his tenure we seem to be ok in the big high pressure games because well, it is easier to do so. Then you get you midweek games at wigan or Rotherham where we seem to always struggle. This is where LJ seems to really struggle. Getting the side up for a non glamourous tie. We talk about leaders on the pitch but I am not sure we have a leader on the sidelines and for me that is a vital trait for a good manager Joe There were about 7/8 of us stood around chatting to him and other than being the obvious focus in the group due to his position he would have been way down the list in terms of basic presence and stature amongst the group (That’s not his fault) Some of the Fans , Matt Withers being one were , generally far more clear in their thoughts and explanations It may sound unfair but I can imagine plenty of sniggering amongst the squad , he really does , and said , some very strange or slightly cringeworthy things (Which Im not going to detail) Because of his lack of natural aura / stature he is heavily reliant upon earning respect from his coaching and tactical nous and in his man management skills i would think most of the time he’s a jovial , helpful , kind ‘gaffer’ , but he ‘spikes’ quickly at any inferred criticism and think he could turn quite quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, BigAlToby&Liam said: Thanks Bob. Did Lee talk about his relationship with his employer? I’m intrigued. I’d say both are well and truly out of their footballing depth..... He didn’t mate As a result of a comment I heard made by one person (For obvious reasons I won’t name) I do wonder whether all of SLs Merry men actually believe in the feasibility of all his wishes and philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Joe There were about 7/8 of us stood around chatting to him and other than being the obvious focus in the group due to his position he would have been way down the list in terms of basic presence and stature amongst the group (That’s not his fault) Some of the Fans , Matt Withers being one were , generally far more clear in their thoughts and explanations It may sound unfair but I can imagine plenty of sniggering amongst the squad , he really does , and said , some very strange or slightly cringeworthy things (Which Im not going to detail) Because of his lack of natural aura / stature he is heavily reliant upon earning respect from his coaching and tactical nous and in his man management skills i would think most of the time he’s a jovial , helpful , kind ‘gaffer’ , but he ‘spikes’ quickly at any inferred criticism and think he could turn quite quickly Zero gravitas, unfortunately. We've got one joker and we love him ... and he knows/likes his place. God bless you Scott Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Thanks Bob. Fascinating. The aura stuff matters in leadership, and on the basis of a lifetime working with household names with giant egos - not unlike professional footballers with regard to their talent, earnings and sense of self-worth - you either have it or you don't. And heaven help you if you don't. Reflecting on today for example - Bielsa vs LJ...I mean...really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 33 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Joe There were about 7/8 of us stood around chatting to him and other than being the obvious focus in the group due to his position he would have been way down the list in terms of basic presence and stature amongst the group (That’s not his fault) Some of the Fans , Matt Withers being one were , generally far more clear in their thoughts and explanations It may sound unfair but I can imagine plenty of sniggering amongst the squad , he really does , and said , some very strange or slightly cringeworthy things (Which Im not going to detail) Because of his lack of natural aura / stature he is heavily reliant upon earning respect from his coaching and tactical nous and in his man management skills i would think most of the time he’s a jovial , helpful , kind ‘gaffer’ , but he ‘spikes’ quickly at any inferred criticism and think he could turn quite quickly Nail on head Bob. It was me that mentioned aura in the Forum thread. I have managed / coached at an amateur level and even there you need to have an element of that. You need to be able to 'hold' the group both at training and on match days, it must be much much more crucial in the professional game and I just dont believe Lee has that. Sadly, I think this could all collapse very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nbafc Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Bob, really appreciate this thread, for me it throws a lot of light on what has been an intriguing, occasionally breathtaking but mostly bizarre period for the club. While I am sure LJ hasn't always helped himself, I am able to see him in a more sympathetic light. To say he sounds like a man under pressure is putting it mildly. I wonder how many other HCs could or would work under the current 'philosophy' of the club. I suspect LJ maybe in a very small group, possibly the only one. I wonder if SL knows that too; at this moment LJ is 2nd longest serving manager/HC in the championship. It all seems so hopeful and fanciful, and if the current trend of results & performances continue SL will be caught between a rock & a hard place. All this on the back of one of our most enjoyable & successful seasons ever, when one of our most competent, professional and down to earth managers turned into a 'failure' during his summer holiday. I still wonder how that happened, although I have an inkling. To truly understand what on earth is going on we'd have to be privy to the inner machinations of the club. Think a thread like this is as close as we'll get so thanks again Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Nbafc said: I wonder how many other HCs could or would work under the current 'philosophy' of the club. Certainly not the kind of big names people keep bringing up. No chance they would defer to Ashton. And they tend to demand a bottomless pit of money to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Good post Nbafc. As I have said many times the plan is utterly flawed and an experienced HC is not going to sign up to it unless they are desperate for the money. LJ going may, in effect, not change very much. My money is on Micheal Appleton if indeed a vacancy does come up. Frying pan fire, springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, Nbafc said: Bob, really appreciate this thread, for me it throws a lot of light on what has been an intriguing, occasionally breathtaking but mostly bizarre period for the club. While I am sure LJ hasn't always helped himself, I am able to see him in a more sympathetic light. To say he sounds like a man under pressure is putting it mildly. I wonder how many other HCs could or would work under the current 'philosophy' of the club. I suspect LJ maybe in a very small group, possibly the only one. I wonder if SL knows that too; at this moment LJ is 2nd longest serving manager/HC in the championship. It all seems so hopeful and fanciful, and if the current trend of results & performances continue SL will be caught between a rock & a hard place. All this on the back of one of our most enjoyable & successful seasons ever, when one of our most competent, professional and down to earth managers turned into a 'failure' during his summer holiday. I still wonder how that happened, although I have an inkling. To truly understand what on earth is going on we'd have to be privy to the inner machinations of the club. Think a thread like this is as close as we'll get so thanks again Bob. Your welcome Ive tried to keep it mainly to what was said and my own thoughts to a minimum unless there appeared to be a clear ‘message’ As for your comment ’While I am sure LJ hasn't always helped himself, I am able to see him in a more sympathetic light. To say he sounds like a man under pressure is putting it mildly’ Funnily enough , although I’ve always had real doubts about him I came away almost feeling sorry for him Hes clearly trying extremely hard , possibly too hard , under a clear defined owners plan and wishes , but looking as if he’s drowning atm Budget and wages are an obvious restriction and frustration but even on that he has spent a lot of money millions) on players who are not effecting current performances in any way as they are not on the pitch Been saying through his reign , whatever our budget - I’m not sure we’ve used it astutely or needed the number in our first team squad whilst diluting the quality of the starting eleven . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, chinapig said: Certainly not the kind of big names people keep bringing up. No chance they would defer to Ashton. And they tend to demand a bottomless pit of money to spend. Mick McCarthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 minute ago, ZiderEyed said: Mick McCarthy. Going back to Republic mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Just now, BobBobSuperBob said: Going back to Republic mate ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Going back to Republic mate + a name would want a budget. I predict no purchases in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: + a name would want a budget. I predict no purchases in January. Since when? He had 6 million total in his entire time at Ipswich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Just now, ZiderEyed said: Since when? He had 6 million total in his entire time at Ipswich. Times have changed in 5 years. Mick off t mo Eire. I'm referring to Moyes, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Mick McCarthy. Too late, but in any event, as I say, not the kind to tug the forelock to the likes of Ashton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Your welcome Ive tried to keep it mainly to what was said and my own thoughts to a minimum unless there appeared to be a clear ‘message’ As for your comment ’While I am sure LJ hasn't always helped himself, I am able to see him in a more sympathetic light. To say he sounds like a man under pressure is putting it mildly’ Funnily enough , although I’ve always had real doubts about him I came away almost feeling sorry for him Hes clearly trying extremely hard , possibly too hard , under a clear defined owners plan and wishes , but looking as if he’s drowning atm Budget and wages are an obvious restriction and frustration but even on that he has spent a lot of money millions) on players who are not effecting current performances in any way as they are not on the pitch Been saying through his reign , whatever our budget - I’m not sure we’ve used it astutely or needed the number in our first team squad whilst diluting the quality of the starting eleven . I am starting to feel for him too Bob. I think he has made some big mistakes, certainly on recruitment, but his hands are tied to an extent with the utterly flawed plan that is in place currently, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Your welcome Ive tried to keep it mainly to what was said and my own thoughts to a minimum unless there appeared to be a clear ‘message’ As for your comment ’While I am sure LJ hasn't always helped himself, I am able to see him in a more sympathetic light. To say he sounds like a man under pressure is putting it mildly’ Funnily enough , although I’ve always had real doubts about him I came away almost feeling sorry for him Hes clearly trying extremely hard , possibly too hard , under a clear defined owners plan and wishes , but looking as if he’s drowning atm Budget and wages are an obvious restriction and frustration but even on that he has spent a lot of money millions) on players who are not effecting current performances in any way as they are not on the pitch Been saying through his reign , whatever our budget - I’m not sure we’ve used it astutely or needed the number in our first team squad whilst diluting the quality of the starting eleven . How much power does MA actually have? Not just from a football point of view but in the whole set up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nbafc Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Your welcome Ive tried to keep it mainly to what was said and my own thoughts to a minimum unless there appeared to be a clear ‘message’ As for your comment ’While I am sure LJ hasn't always helped himself, I am able to see him in a more sympathetic light. To say he sounds like a man under pressure is putting it mildly’ Funnily enough , although I’ve always had real doubts about him I came away almost feeling sorry for him Hes clearly trying extremely hard , possibly too hard , under a clear defined owners plan and wishes , but looking as if he’s drowning atm Budget and wages are an obvious restriction and frustration but even on that he has spent a lot of money millions) on players who are not effecting current performances in any way as they are not on the pitch Been saying through his reign , whatever our budget - I’m not sure we’ve used it astutely or needed the number in our first team squad whilst diluting the quality of the starting eleven . The phrase "failing is one thing, being set up to fail is another all together" keeps springing to mind. Agree again with the comment on quantity over quality. That in my view was always going to happen as the 'philosophy' is fundamentally flawed. Unless LJ is a manager on a par with some of the best in the game. Here's hoping it doesn't end in another O'Driscollesque clean out with the spectre of league 2 forcing SL to relinquish his ideals. Its hard to believe the current situation represents the best we can do. Fingers crossed for Wednesday then, Ipswich are poor but have improved under Lambert and nearly nicked a point yesterday. They and Millwall will be earmarking us as a team they can take points off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Thanks for your insights, the premier emotion i feel reading this is ...............exasperation. Lee seems like the kind of guy I'd like to spend time with in the pub talking football, but not the type to manage the club i support. He patently lacks the charisma and will to motivate and instil loyalty and commitment in his squad. He should be coaching somewhere under an experienced manager, not managing a championship club. Someone stated we cannot afford a name manager, we don't need a manager whose a name, but one who has tactical nous and man managenent skiils. I like the way Norwich appointed a young but fairly experienced manager, we just need to do our homework and research to a better extent. I do believe recruitment has been an issue that has been poorly addressed, and I too feel sorry for LJ, but i'm certain he will have a long and successful career, just not here, and not at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: How much power does MA actually have? Not just from a football point of view but in the whole set up? I suspect not that much. Its a family business - they have the power and all of the control. Its a good gig, given his salary, and the fact that he would be unlikely to get a similar role at a similar salary anywhere else. Therefore, he is unlikely to rock any boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Nbafc said: The phrase "failing is one thing, being set up to fail is another all together" keeps springing to mind. Agree again with the comment on quantity over quality. That in my view was always going to happen as the 'philosophy' is fundamentally flawed. Unless LJ is a manager on a par with some of the best in the game. Here's hoping it doesn't end in another O'Driscollesque clean out with the spectre of league 2 forcing SL to relinquish his ideals. Its hard to believe the current situation represents the best we can do. Fingers crossed for Wednesday then, Ipswich are poor but have improved under Lambert and nearly nicked a point yesterday. They and Millwall will be earmarking us as a team they can take points off. Said on a number of occasions in LJs reign that for SLs philosophy to be sucessful we need top drawer Coaching and Recruitment With due respect to LJ and his lieutenants I’m none too sure we have the first and whoever’s responsibility in the second I think that’s been possibly worse Brentfords relative stability has been down to very good and consistent recruitment more than great head coaches IMHO Sheffield United performing in both aspects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Wood Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Said on a number of occasions in LJs reign that for SLs philosophy to be sucessful we top drawer Coaching and Recruitment With due respect to LJ and his lieutenants I’m none too sure we have the first and whoever’s responsibility in the second I think that’s been possibly worse Brentfords relative stability has been down to very good and consistent recruitment more than great head coaches IMHO Sheffield United performing in both aspects Think sheff utd manager comes across as a man who won't tolerate mediocrity, where as Lee is mediocre doesn't instill fear or confidence in anyone in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 @Bob Bob Super Bobsuperb information and thoughts. I don't feel sorry for him though. He's out of his depth, got the job because SL has no idea as to what makes a successful manager, and as for his comment that "with a top end budget he’d ‘walk the championship" that is laughable. But the bit you've identified, that he has no presence, I said on day one of his appointment. Not his fault, but no football manager without that has any hope of being successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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