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Bristol Rovers Dustbin Thread


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4 hours ago, Red Right Hand said:

Will the tradesman`s entrance have to be opened at the Man Bar tonight due to the amount of patrons trying to access it post match?

the tradesman's entrance is where Wally was talking out of on the radio earlier - rarely have I heard such nonsense over the airwaves

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43 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Would the Council really want them South of the river ? Already saw a gAss Tweet questioning the safety in the local pubs.

They have to buy the ground, do feasibility studies , apply for planning , buy the land , put out tenders and build the thing and get it passed for use in 2 years ???

They have had no money to spend on the training ground, infrastructure , ground or team yet they now have a money tree?

They would have to sell their ground, which would be valued at far less than the fruit market site , to fund it purchase. Again you wonder where the money comes from.

Isn't there only one way in/out ? New roads etc , more Council involvement would really slow the process.

In 2 years ? I'm a little dubious.

 

Fruit market is actually north of the river. Sorry to be pedantic. The council were actively promoting having a joint stadium on the old fruit market site early naughties, so might be in favour of such a scheme. Having said that, Marvin ditched the use of Temple Island for something which would be more beneficial to the city of Bristol on that site, in favour of one outside Bristol. A recycling centre would be more beneficial to the city of Bristol on that site, so a stadium has no chance. Far too many hurdles to cross with those plans, this is the age of the keyboard warrior. The new block of flats planned for Totterdown bridge only just got passed, after much opposition from residents. Can you imagine their reaction to a bigger shit tip than currently exists?

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What an absolute crack pot. 

He's "identified" an area of land in the media that belongs to someone else and is already talking about planning permission on it?!?!

He's also saying that the training ground will be developed once the stadium has been built. But I thought that was being developed anyway?!?!

What idiot in their right mind would say that?!?!

Assuming the club has the funds (which they don't) and assuming the private  land owner wants to sell to them (which they may not) and assuming they can get outline planning permission fŕom the council (which can only be a hypothetical question as they don't own it)

Absolutely ludicrous, baffling.

Where is the funding coming from?!?!

 

I would almost say that here is undeniable proof that he is a complete and utter idiot.

 

It has more holes in it than an old tent.

 

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So some quick measurements on Google Earth. The Fruit Market sure is approximately 330yds by 170yds at its furthest points. In no way is the area used by the fruit market rectangular. 2 sides cannot be extended as they are bordered by GWR's depot to the North and Albert Crescent and more of the train depot to the east. The train depot ain't going nowhere. The south and west sides are bordered by multiple businesses including Bristol Waste's depot. So these would all have to be moved on to create an extra 50 yds approx in each direction.

I'm guessing Wally is more clever than we thought, and is future proofing their club with some five-a-league pitches, for their first team in 2024.

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1 hour ago, pongo88 said:

Rovers sell the existing  ground to help fund the new fruit market development. Rovers then ground share with eg Bath City for a couple of years whilst the new ground is being built. Unfortunately after the Memorial Stadium is sold there are unfortunate developments beyond anyone’s control and the new ground doesn’t get built

Just a possible scenario 

Missing something here.

Any value in the Mem is leveraged against the loans Wally and his brother have in the club.

They are secured creditors.

So either they will have to go again, or they will be free from debt (on a personal level), and the funding for the new stadium will be borrowed from banks residing in a fairly volatile part of the world.

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5 hours ago, Rich said:

Sorry for late reply, I've not been here. Only nerve it might have touched is the one which likes accuracy and truth. So, was it your reference likening us to be a vile club, or of us going bankrupt? Obviously there are elements in most clubs which are unsavoury but, our club has won numerous awards for it's work in the community over a number of years and is recognised officially (not just by the favourable local press) as a proper family friendly club. It has also not gone bankrupt as was proven by the creditors accepting a percentage of what was owed and only then, was a new company formed voluntarily and named at the time, BCFC 1982. Holding on to it's assets and status, close admittedly but not quite. So you seem to be calling us a vile club that went bankrupt, both are proven to be statements well far of reality. What was it Danny Baker called Rovers Supporters? Ah yes, Habitual liars.🙂

No. I never said City were a vile club, but I did say you went bust and a new club was formed.

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http://gaschat.co.uk/thread/14794/fruit-market-thread this is the first of nine pages.

“It’s still our aim to be in (a new ground) in 2 years time. We have identified one site we’re very interested in, the site at the fruit market. Technical work on the planning process is underway.” @waelalqadi tells Saturday Sport.

Wael - “The council are pro investment. I see no reason why they shouldn’t be on board with us.” How will you fund it? “It’s inappropriate to talk about it at this point

The fact he has gone public with this and that he is still aiming to have it done in 2 years, I am guessing this may be further down the line than we may think. Very good news. Now for 3 points today please.

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16 minutes ago, 22A said:

http://gaschat.co.uk/thread/14794/fruit-market-thread this is the first of nine pages.

“It’s still our aim to be in (a new ground) in 2 years time. We have identified one site we’re very interested in, the site at the fruit market. Technical work on the planning process is underway.” @waelalqadi tells Saturday Sport.

Wael - “The council are pro investment. I see no reason why they shouldn’t be on board with us.” How will you fund it? “It’s inappropriate to talk about it at this point

The fact he has gone public with this and that he is still aiming to have it done in 2 years, I am guessing this may be further down the line than we may think. Very good news. Now for 3 points today please.

So:

1. They don't own the land.

2. They are doing technical work (whatever that is) in respect of land they don't own.

3. They haven't discussed with the Council.

4. They have no source of funding.

5. They are talking about an impossible time scale.

6. Their gullible fans have fallen for another content-free statement.

Yep, definitely coming for us.

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14 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Blackpool keeper has done literally nothing. The scum are having a go to be fair to them but, goal kicks apart, the home keeper has had nothing to do.

It's really quite poor.

No no,, that's incorrect - he had four cups of tea & read the first two chapters of 'Bear Gryll's "One night under canvas in the Horfeild Highlands"......

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A couple of technical points for those commenting on the 'actions' of The Fake Sheikh.

It's not unusual, or illegal,  to apply for planning or pre-planning consents on freehold one doesn't own. Proposals don't have to be delivered and if the owner isn't happy presumably they'll note an objection.

Ditto technical planning surveys and development, providing they aren't intrusive they may be done without the owner's consent.

As for the rest of the criticisms fair points all, though I hear after this week's deluges there was espied a gert 🌈 on the Muller Road and legend has it there's bound to be a crock of something at the end of it.....

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3 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

A couple of technical points for those commenting on the 'actions' of The Fake Sheikh.

It's not unusual, or illegal,  to apply for planning or pre-planning consents on freehold one doesn't own. Proposals don't have to be delivered and if the owner isn't happy presumably they'll note an objection.

Ditto technical planning surveys and development, providing they aren't intrusive they may be done without the owner's consent.

As for the rest of the criticisms fair points all, though I hear after this week's deluges there was espied a gert 🌈 on the Muller Road and legend has it there's bound to be a crock of something at the end of it.....

Thanks for sharing your expertise. I take your point of course, it just seems futile to carry out technical work if there is no realistic prospect of buying the land in question.

It seems to me that at best a company whose only asset has a charge on it is going to face punitive interest rates on any loans it manages to raise.

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5 minutes ago, chinapig said:

It seems to me that at best a company whose only asset has a charge on it is going to face punitive interest rates on any loans it manages to raise.

Or:

They'll fund in cash

They've won El Gordo

They'll plan on the basis that Islamic banks don't charge interest (per se)

Or:

They expect somebody else to pay for it......

I know which option I think they'll play....

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19 minutes ago, Coombsy said:

He’s looking to sale the men 

to so say fund a new stadium 

once sold pay off d sports and walk away 

only way to get his brothers money’s back

 

This. Talk it all up to make the blue few think it`s happening and the sale of the swamp is all part of some master plan and then trouser the cash and **** off never to be seen again (except at Stamford Bridge)

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10 hours ago, Rich said:

Fruit market is actually north of the river. Sorry to be pedantic.

Having said that, Marvin ditched the use of Temple Island for something which would be more beneficial to the city of Bristol on that site, in favour of one outside Bristol. 

Sorry to be a pedant myself but the brabazon hangers planned to be an arena is within the city of Bristol boundaries

 

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1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

A couple of technical points for those commenting on the 'actions' of The Fake Sheikh.

It's not unusual, or illegal,  to apply for planning or pre-planning consents on freehold one doesn't own. Proposals don't have to be delivered and if the owner isn't happy presumably they'll note an objection.

Ditto technical planning surveys and development, providing they aren't intrusive they may be done without the owner's consent.

As for the rest of the criticisms fair points all, though I hear after this week's deluges there was espied a gert 🌈 on the Muller Road and legend has it there's bound to be a crock of something at the end of it.....

Sorry, but you haven't factored in a no deal Brexit 😤

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17 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:
2 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

 

Even if they sale the mem and don’t have to  give the owners the cash back

even if a consortium has bought the land and given them to them

even if the council have said crack on start tomorrow that’s exactly what we need

even if no one, not one person objects

even if an enormous engineering project built on an old industrial site next to a river will go swimmingly

they still need to find 40-50 million to build whilst loosing 5 million a year, and having to play at Weston 

bear in mind a recent transfer fell through as 20k was too steep

 

 

17 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:
2 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

 

Even if they sale the mem and don’t have to  give the owners the cash back

even if a consortium has bought the land and given them to them

even if the council have said crack on start tomorrow that’s exactly what we need

even if no one, not one person objects

even if an enormous engineering project built on an old industrial site next to a river will go swimmingly

they still need to find 40-50 million to build whilst loosing 5 million a year, and having to play at Weston 

bear in mind a recent transfer fell through as 20k was too steep

 

 

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50 minutes ago, Coombsy said:

He’s looking to sale the men 

to so say fund a new stadium 

once sold pay off d sports and walk away 

only way to get his brothers money’s back

 

I haven't heard the interview and frankly can't be arsed to listen to it but apparently there is no need to sell the Mem to fund any new stadium. However, the scenario you suggest looks very plausible.

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1 hour ago, chinapig said:

.It seems to me that at best a company whose only asset has a charge on it is going to face punitive interest rates on any loans it manages to raise.

Well, no. The bankers all agree that Rovers are a brilliant club and that they like them wayy more than da Shit and there will be no need to even pay the loan back, never mind interest, because they are so brill. 

Amazing that even when presented with the latest reincarnation of their never ending story, all they can still think about is that it will annoy us. 

Simple question, they cannot get 10,000 for home games in League Division 3. If they go to League division 4 (or worse and it looks like they’re going to try) what possible use would 25,000 seats be?

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11 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

Would the Council really want them South of the river ? Already saw a gAss Tweet questioning the safety in the local pubs.

They have to buy the ground, do feasibility studies , apply for planning , buy the land , put out tenders and build the thing and get it passed for use in 2 years ???

They have had no money to spend on the training ground, infrastructure , ground or team yet they now have a money tree?

They would have to sell their ground, which would be valued at far less than the fruit market site , to fund it purchase. Again you wonder where the money comes from.

Isn't there only one way in/out ? New roads etc , more Council involvement would really slow the process.

In 2 years ? I'm a little dubious.

 

The fruit market is - only just- north of the river. I think you may be making the common mistake in thinking that the feeder canal is 'the river'.

I knew one day that my Whitefield education would pay off!

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This is a ruse, he’s tryibg to do a Dunceford. 

1) Get PP for a 25,000 seater stadium but dont start building it. 

2) Sell the mem to get some money back

3) Move the gates (it’s ONLY the gates that are a Memorial you know) to just outside a landfill, sorry, re-purposing plant somewhere

4) Sell the club as the best “supported outside the EPL, in a huge potential catchment area, with ambitious plans going forward”. Easy. 

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13 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

The fruit market is - only just- north of the river. I think you may be making the common mistake in thinking that the feeder canal is 'the river'.

I knew one day that my Whitefield education would pay off!

I went to Whitefield, obviously didn't pay as much attention as you did :whistle:

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