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Bristol Rovers Dustbin Thread

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So ....

Have all their hopes and dreams gone down the Dwane  yet AGAIN then?

( its almost like one of us found a genie in a lamp few years ago, was granted three wishes,

one of which was for a  ' gift that keeps on giving! ' )  Genie+in+a+bottle.png

 

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3 minutes ago, Fiale said:

 

Was a brilliant season capped by the chance of getting to the Premiership with a playoff final in front of 30k people - amazed that they think this is something to use as a dig at the club, it's still one of our best seasons with AG absolutely rocking.

 

 

It's sad, they make digs out of us for this thread, but near the beginning are several pages where we did research into Wael when he took over.  Rovers fans and the media were calling him a billionaire, spending his money on stadium and players, saying they were one of the richest clubs in the country. On our site we had within a couple of days put their wealth at around £70 million (and that is total assets not cash / funds available) and said little would change and at worse it could be a land grab for the mem. Whilst we did this Gas forums were giving each other a collective blow job and saying how jealous we were - maybe if they were half as inquisitive as a and not afraid of speaking out against the Gas dreamland fallacy they all live in things would not be such a shock to them. Sadly their forum is just a la la land echo chamber, dissention against the narrative = bans. Maybe their mods and posters could learn from all this.... :rofl2br:

 

 

I would rather he built a multi use indoor athletics arena at UWE this area has nothing like it for miles. Local Gymnast have to goto Plymouth to train. We could not host a athletics meet, or indoor tennis open / competition the area just sucks for facilities.

 

 

When Higgs was bought out and all the debts were paid of it was done so as a loan that was put on the books of a offshore company called Dwayne sports that owns Rovers and the Mem. To ensure that they would get all this money back no matter what happens (administration, etc) they put a charge against the Memorial stadium, So in effect the club bought itself and Wael used none of their own money, just guaranteed loans against the mem.

 

 

 

To be honest you were operating like a low end conference club and really needed someone to pull you up to at least L2 standards. I suspect that a lot of that was down to Higgs running out of money and lines of funding drying up. Infrastructure does not get repaired, staff get let go until you have the bare basics. Now you are back at where you should be, the question is, is the money (or will)  there to push beyond. I guess this is where we will start to see the true intentions of Wael now.

 

 

 

The reason I like this site is that we never let ourselves get so blinded or forced into a cult like collective like your forums all but force your posters to over time.

Excellent post. 

If I were a Rovers fan, I'd be very worried about the future of my club at the moment! 

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1 hour ago, Taz said:

Because ours was a semi decent ground before work started. Even with parts of the ground knocked down, it was still better than their pit.

They have a lot of work to do to get it up to the standard of the old Ashton Gate, let alone anything else.

Nope. We've had two new stands, one of which is far more complex than anything at the new ground of theirs (UWE or Mem plans). Add on to that the redevelopment of the Dolman which was extremely complex, particularly in removing the pillar and extending the roof.

Demolishing the Mem and building it to UWE spec would be cheaper than our rebuild. I'd estimate it at £25m seeing as they already have the land.

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17 minutes ago, RumRed said:

It has 10million secured against it already, so you can knock that off its value straight away.

 

17 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

After the debt that's reportedly secured on it is taken into account..? 

A couple of million, tops, I should think! 

Sainsbury's deal was worth £20m I believe , which was way, way above the value of the land for housing use.  I think you may be close BS3, and that's if there are no other changes or cost against the ground. I would guess Wael would want to recoup all money spent on the club, he's a banker after all, I don't think he'll leave much behind. If he's looking for a way out, I wonder if the club is more valuable now. Maybe in a better positioning the League, but the shiny stadium prospect would have made a difference. 

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They seem to slowly be cottoning on over on AssChat:

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Something smells fishy. And I do believe it's coming from Wael's vicinity. It's no longer possible to hide behind DC's success on the pitch. He needs to provide the fans with a full and honest explanation.

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Who do you trust,

compromises have been made so he says. To what extent?

I am getting the impression, the family just dont want to part with their own money

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I believe the owners are tight and have screwed up. They wanted to get a stadium on the cheap and UWE have stakeholders to answer to so they couldn't go below a certain price. This is just my opinion, given we've received no meaningful update for....well, ever?

Always one 'tard though:

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Good point....uwe are def shaken by this....a statement and a live interview within 2 hours when no comment for years! This is a business masterstroke by our owners to get a better deal as uwe are now clearly desperate for it....or this is the best chance of a stadium ruined by lies

 

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1 minute ago, nebristolred said:

Nope. We've had two new stands, one of which is far more complex than anything at the new ground of theirs (UWE or Mem plans). Add on to that the redevelopment of the Dolman which was extremely complex, particularly in removing the pillar and extending the roof.

Demolishing the Mem and building it to UWE spec would be cheaper than our rebuild.

As I said earlier, Rotherham's build cost £20m and that is 12k ish?  They are also very constricted by space , not saying it can't be done but I doubt it can be done for £8m.

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A couple of years ago it looked like Rovers were set for administration due to the size of the debt to Nick Higgs and the Wonga loan. With any normal club this would have happened, but not the Barcelona of the West Country, Bristol Rovers. Nick Higgs pulled off a masterstroke and found a sucker from the middle east to bail them out. This masterstroke enabled us to laugh at the tales of Wael's endless wealth making him the 6th richest man in the world. It enabled us to laugh at the comments on the Rovers' forum about the imminent new ground. It has extended the delusion of the Rovers fans.  I think we should all give heartfelt thanks to Nick Higgs for all the amusement he has brought us.

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3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

 

Sainsbury's deal was worth £20m I believe , which was way, way above the value of the land for housing use.  I think you may be close BS3, and that's if there are no other changes or cost against the ground. I would guess Wael would want to recoup all money spent on the club, he's a banker after all, I don't think he'll leave much behind. If he's looking for a way out, I wonder if the club is more valuable now. Maybe in a better positioning the League, but the shiny stadium prospect would have made a difference. 

Super markets pay way over the odd's. For housing, I'd guess that land is worth £10-15 million. 

Just enough to pay back Wally, leave the gas with no ground, no money & in dire straits. 

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7 minutes ago, nebristolred said:

Nope. We've had two new stands, one of which is far more complex than anything at the new ground of theirs (UWE or Mem plans). Add on to that the redevelopment of the Dolman which was extremely complex, particularly in removing the pillar and extending the roof.

Demolishing the Mem and building it to UWE spec would be cheaper than our rebuild.

But a complete demolition isn't likely as they would have to move somewhere else for a few years. With that in mind, why would anyone want to let them in to share a ground with their record?

They'd end up claiming squatters rights once they'd realised they couldn't afford to pay the demo crew and had nothing but a patch of land left. They're like a bad smell once they get in, you end up losing your ground in the process.

Inflation alone without the "brexit" effect would push it up to the cost of ours. They ain't got the money. To be fair I couldn't care less, just shows them up for what they are, a laughing stock.

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2 minutes ago, Taz said:

But a complete demolition isn't likely as they would have to move somewhere else for a few years. With that in mind, why would anyone want to let them in to share a ground with their record?

They'd end up claiming squatters rights once they'd realised they couldn't afford to pay the demo crew and had nothing but a patch of land left. They're like a bad smell once they get in, you end up losing your ground in the process.

Inflation alone without the "brexit" effect would push it up to the cost of ours. They ain't got the money. To be fair I couldn't care less, just shows them up for what they are, a laughing stock.

They could always come and use "Trashton" (again)

Kind of like with the FC Twente friendly, we could just open the Dolman, to cater for the small numbers in attendance. 

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14 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

What exactly did UWE say on the radio?

I'm in work so wasn't able to listen.

Don't know.... but

I can remember when every week on the telly he used to say ''Double Your Money'' & ''Opportunity Knocks''  ahh. those were the days my friend.  

(that'll mean nothing to anyone under the age of 50 -ask yer parents/grand parents :) )

 

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25 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

Legal charges are a method of securing debts. In other words Wael is worried that should it all go pear shaped (if it hasn't already) he will not lose the money used to pay off Nick Higgs and other directors plus the Wonga loan. Should the Minimal Stadium be sold, he will be guaranteed to receive the money - approx £9m for Nick Higgs & and directors plus approx £3m Wonga. After he has received his £14m the other creditors will get their money and if there is then anything left it could go to the club. So, Rovers might be left with, say, a couple of hundred pounds to enable them to build a new ground. Placing is charge is hardly the action of a billionaire who has long term grandiose plans for the club.  It's the actions of a man who realises he's out of his depth in the world of football and finance and wants to get out.

The charge I think does ordinarily make a lot of sense, but maybe there is something more. 

The reason I would in his shoes put a charge on the stadium is for the purpose of what you say, but not the reasoning. I would have one because I come before all creditors - without a charge on it it's just an asset of the club  which could be realised. It actually makes the asset more secure. Sure it could be for him to realise his expenditure, or it could be to protect it from the vultures if things went sour. We have a similar defence despite a billionaire owner - we have a separate entity own the stadium. 

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24 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

What exactly did UWE say on the radio?

I'm in work so wasn't able to listen.

Just said they have no idea why Rovers have pulled out.

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Me and a friend (a sag) unfortunately.... bumped into Steve Landsdown, he explained he didn't understand how rovers fans with such little investment in their club in the past years still love their club and manager more than city fans appear to when he has poured millions and millions in and still they do not love him. on another note, dont get to happy about stadiums, Brentford and Burton both have rubbish stadiums yet still on paper and last year on evidence are a better team than us!

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Should money be found from somewhere to redevelop the Minimal Stadium, it should be relatively inexpensive due to the cramped shape and size of the plot of land.  There is no space to build a large replacement for the tent end as houses are immediately behind.  All that could be built is a replacement, the same size, with a proper roof. There is exactly the same problem with the side of the ground that looks like a cricket pavilion. There is more room at the Filton Avenue end but, due to the proximity of houses, they would have the same right to light issue as City have with the Atyeo stand. The remaining side of the ground has a bit more space so something a bit bigger could be done. Redevelopment might be possible for £15m - £20m but capacity couldn't be any more than 15k at a push. There is currently standing in some parts of the ground and replacing standing with seating reduces capacity with a like for like size stand

All that is needed is £15m - £20m.

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29 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

They could always come and use "Trashton" (again)

Kind of like with the FC Twente friendly, we could just open the Dolman, to cater for the small numbers in attendance. 

I know you joke but couldn't even consider it with the rugby playing as well 

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27 minutes ago, Taz said:

But a complete demolition isn't likely as they would have to move somewhere else for a few years. With that in mind, why would anyone want to let them in to share a ground with their record?

They'd end up claiming squatters rights once they'd realised they couldn't afford to pay the demo crew and had nothing but a patch of land left. They're like a bad smell once they get in, you end up losing your ground in the process.

Inflation alone without the "brexit" effect would push it up to the cost of ours. They ain't got the money. To be fair I couldn't care less, just shows them up for what they are, a laughing stock.

A complete demolition and re-build  to UWE spec would have to involve rotating the pitch 90degrees and shifting it up into the car park at the Muller Road side of the current ground.  My caveat is that I am no architect but I don't need to be to see that there is bugger little space.  

Even then it'd be a tight squeeze, if possible at all.  

Then there's the £25m (?) to find.

Their more realistic option is to simply knock down the stand opposite the Cricket pavilion and build as gert a size stand as they can in its place.  Then tart the rest of the place up as well as possible.  

The problem we have rebuilding the Atyeo they have with the tent end, the cricket pavilion and probably their home end as well.

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15 minutes ago, WhistleHappy said:

Don't know.... but

I can remember when every week on the telly he used to say ''Double Your Money'' & ''Opportunity Knocks''  ahh. those were the days my friend.  

(that'll mean nothing to anyone under the age of 50 -ask yer parents/grand parents :) )

 

I can remember Double Your Money. The theme tune used to end with the words "Double your money and take it away!" I think its the "take it away" part that should worry Rovers fans with Wael in charge. 

And I mean that most sincerely folks. (with apologies to Hughie Green)

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19 minutes ago, simonb2020 said:

Me and a friend (a sag) unfortunately.... bumped into Steve Landsdown, he explained he didn't understand how rovers fans with such little investment in their club in the past years still love their club and manager more than city fans appear to when he has poured millions and millions in and still they do not love him. on another note, dont get to happy about stadiums, Brentford and Burton both have rubbish stadiums yet still on paper and last year on evidence are a better team than us!

Yeah, course you did.

 

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5 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

I can remember Double Your Money. The theme tune used to end with the words "Double your money and take it away!" I think its the "take it away" part that should worry Rovers fans with Wael in charge. 

And I mean that most sincerely folks. (with apologies to Hughie Green)

Double your money, without any hitch

Double your money and try to get rich

Double your money, i'ts your lucky day

Double your money and take it away...o-lay 

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50 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

As I said earlier, Rotherham's build cost £20m and that is 12k ish?  They are also very constricted by space , not saying it can't be done but I doubt it can be done for £8m.

Could a cash in hand deal be struck with Cowboys'r'us?

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28 minutes ago, simonb2020 said:

Me and a friend (a sag) unfortunately.... bumped into Steve Landsdown, he explained he didn't understand how rovers fans with such little investment in their club in the past years still love their club and manager more than city fans appear to when he has poured millions and millions in and still they do not love him. on another note, dont get to happy about stadiums, Brentford and Burton both have rubbish stadiums yet still on paper and last year on evidence are a better team than us!

Thanks for signing up especially to share your story.

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1 minute ago, RumRed said:

Thanks for signing up especially to share your story.

No worries, I thought it was about time, I have been a visitor for a while now. I tend to try and tell things as they are, no sugar coat with me, their is a lot of that to go around already :)

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3 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

Without wishing to give them any ideas regarding the site for a new ground, it's always amazed me that nobody's thought to build a new stadium at Ashton Vale. 

Might tempt DC to stay too with all those dog walkers in the vicinity.  Genius.

 

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33 minutes ago, simonb2020 said:

Me and a friend (a sag) unfortunately.... bumped into Steve Landsdown, he explained he didn't understand how rovers fans with such little investment in their club in the past years still love their club and manager more than city fans appear to when he has poured millions and millions in and still they do not love him. on another note, dont get to happy about stadiums, Brentford and Burton both have rubbish stadiums yet still on paper and last year on evidence are a better team than us!

 

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31 minutes ago, simonb2020 said:

Me and a friend (a sag) unfortunately.... bumped into Steve Landsdown, he explained he didn't understand how rovers fans with such little investment in their club in the past years still love their club and manager more than city fans appear to when he has poured millions and millions in and still they do not love him. on another note, dont get to happy about stadiums, Brentford and Burton both have rubbish stadiums yet still on paper and last year on evidence are a better team than us!

So on a day when the news of your stadium plans going up in smoke are announced, the first thing you do is make a half arsed attempt at pretending to be a City fan!

I notice you say how gAssholes love the club and manager though, and not the owner (anymore). Wonder why??

 

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1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

 

 

 

Five Years (adapted Bowie)

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha ha!, so  many Gasheads sighing,

News had just came over, they had five years left to cry in,

News guy wept and told us Gas was really dying,

Laughed so much my face was wet, I knew he was not lying,

They've got five years, stuck on their eyes,

They've got five years, what a surprise,

They've got five years, their Dwane hurts a lot,

They've got five years, that's all they've got.

 

(Five years if they are lucky!)

 

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35 minutes ago, simonb2020 said:

on another note, dont get to happy about stadiums, Brentford and Burton both have rubbish stadiums yet still on paper and last year on evidence are a better team than us!

Were Burton better than us????

It does show that if a smaller club than us is ran superbly well, it can over-achieve for a short while and fair play to them for that.

It's not a threat we've had from R*vers for a very long time! 

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22 minutes ago, WTFiGO!?! said:

A complete demolition and re-build  to UWE spec would have to involve rotating the pitch 90degrees and shifting it up into the car park at the Muller Road side of the current ground.  My caveat is that I am no architect but I don't need to be to see that there is bugger little space.  

Even then it'd be a tight squeeze, if possible at all.  

Then there's the £25m (?) to find.

Their more realistic option is to simply knock down the stand opposite the Cricket pavilion and build as gert a size stand as they can in its place.  Then tart the rest of the place up as well as possible.  

The problem we have rebuilding the Atyeo they have with the tent end, the cricket pavilion and probably their home end as well.

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To make any Stadium financially viable they'd need to have a 20,000 min capacity. They could go for a 13,000 Capacity 3-tier stand where the Blue stand currently is , but without reducing the size of the pitch to tennis court proportions I can't see what they could do with the rest of the ground. 

Their only hope now is to merge with Forest Green, Newport or Clevedon . 

I hope it makes some of our lot appreciate SL a bit more . 

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31 minutes ago, WTFiGO!?! said:

A complete demolition and re-build  to UWE spec would have to involve rotating the pitch 90degrees and shifting it up into the car park at the Muller Road side of the current ground.  My caveat is that I am no architect but I don't need to be to see that there is bugger little space.  

Even then it'd be a tight squeeze, if possible at all.  

Then there's the £25m (?) to find.

Their more realistic option is to simply knock down the stand opposite the Cricket pavilion and build as gert a size stand as they can in its place.  Then tart the rest of the place up as well as possible.  

The problem we have rebuilding the Atyeo they have with the tent end, the cricket pavilion and probably their home end as well.

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F'ing rotate! 

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The thing I find funniest of all is that Lansdown could buy the Gas three times over and still have change for two Neymars and yet I'm sure he doesn't because they are a continued source of hilarity in the region and they contrast so well with how BCFC is run.

 

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1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

They could always come and use "Trashton" (again)

Kind of like with the FC Twente friendly, we could just open the Dolman, to cater for the small numbers in attendance. 

Wouldn't have 'em within a 100 yards. They'd wreck the place just because they could.

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57 minutes ago, simonb2020 said:

Me and a friend (a sag) unfortunately.... bumped into Steve Landsdown, he explained he didn't understand how rovers fans with such little investment in their club in the past years still love their club and manager more than city fans appear to when he has poured millions and millions in and still they do not love him. on another note, dont get to happy about stadiums, Brentford and Burton both have rubbish stadiums yet still on paper and last year on evidence are a better team than us!

Please back up your evidence of how Burton are better than us..?! 

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3 hours ago, Tomarse said:

UWE still hoping it goes ahead.. odd.

 

UWE want it rovers can't pay, UWE will build something there regardless

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3 hours ago, nebristolred said:

I know we all like to laugh but that's nonsense mate. They own the land, and the rebuild wouldn't be as complex as ours was. The Millenium Stadium cost £120m, albeit a few years back now.

This is more comparable to Rotherham's ground, which cost £20m.

Ours cost 45 million is http://stadiumdb.com/constructions/eng/ashton_gate 

We only did 2 and a bit stands, they need to do all 4

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1 hour ago, pongo88 said:

A couple of years ago it looked like Rovers were set for administration due to the size of the debt to Nick Higgs and the Wonga loan. With any normal club this would have happened, but not the Barcelona of the West Country, Bristol Rovers. Nick Higgs pulled off a masterstroke and found a sucker from the middle east to bail them out. This masterstroke enabled us to laugh at the tales of Wael's endless wealth making him the 6th richest man in the world. It enabled us to laugh at the comments on the Rovers' forum about the imminent new ground. It has extended the delusion of the Rovers fans.  I think we should all give heartfelt thanks to Nick Higgs for all the amusement he has brought us.

Hear Hear.

Nick Higgs was the shining knight who when the Rovers were languishing in the football gutter moved things along at an accelerated speed, whilst reaching down and lifting the manhole cover guaranteed a team in a rovers strip would be triumphant that faitful day.

what a hero!

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Does this change in position now mean that students and academics at UWE will now have to boycott Rovers 'to hurt them financially' - in the same way that the blue few have reduced Sainsbury's to their knees by moving half a dozen eggs from their basics range to a different shelf?

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15 minutes ago, gl1 said:

bluebutterly, you recently questioned why this thread has survived so long. So, Ifyou're reading, these events are why this thread goes on, and on . It seems not a month goes by without more comedy gold.

Firstly Sainsbury's pulled out and left Rovers offering olive branches all around, and now Bristol Rovers have pulled out and the UWE are saying a deal can still be struck...you couldn't write it.

 

Add in the wilderness non league year, the 'I've lived through the Thatcher years' and 'I would rather see my dog die than rovers go down' phone ins, the cup exits to brickies and plumbers, the swooping in of the richest man in the universe only to find he's left his wallet back on planet Wally, the 'we are the 6th richest club in the country but we have a stadium made up of tents, and portaloos and we don't buy anyone' 

Sprinkle in selling your best player for peanuts to us, the completely empty streets on your victory parade, the 'tick tocking' and the 'we're coming to get you' quotes. Mix in your "oh yesssssssss" thread which ended with us staying up and rovers going down. Your ever so 'prowed' fans. The huge and legendary fan base, the lock outs and invasions, the horse punching, and the pictures of the self confessed 'family club' fans pulling opposition players through the goal net.

Stir in your terrible dirge of an anthem which I believe is about a prostitute.  Bake for 2 hours on a medium Gas and serve with a running away Higgs, the infamous Wonga loan, the creation of Dwayne sports that whipped the ground you whipped off someone else away from you, saddled it with charges and gave it back with new curtains.

all of this is more is why this thread keeps building. And for that, I thank you...

You forgot the court cases via Wycombe, Sainsbury's etc...

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8 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Ours cost 45 million is http://stadiumdb.com/constructions/eng/ashton_gate 

We only did 2 and a bit stands, they need to do all 4

2 new stands, one of which was 2-tier and holds more than their entire ground. And a third which involved revamping the entire Dolman, extending the roof and very complex work around replacing a pillar.

Rotherhams was a new build and cost £20m for 12,500 capacity. Seeing as Rovers want a similar design (single tier all around, very simple), I'd estimate only a small increase on that cost.

The cost of moving out for a period, etc is another question altogether mind

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