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How would you approach Sunday ?

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Sunday is a simple equation we have to win.  

If you were Johnson how would you approach Sunday? Would you go all out attack or keep it safe and have a go in the second half ?

 

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Could see both sides of the argument as we’ve used the second half approach away from home all season and it’s served us well but Hull are there for the taking. Blades were 0-3 up after half an hour there the other week, go and do similar and panic will set in around other grounds.

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The score only matters at the end of the game, I would almost play it as 2 separate games, keep it tight in the first half watch there patterns and utilise that knowledge to go at them in the second half. 

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We’ve been saving all our goals this season for this game. Come straight out of the blocks and absolutely stomp them, then it wont matter if Derby draw :laugh:

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Start with the same team as Tuesday but Wright in for hunt and palmer in for pack. 

If we need to chase the game, we have the options on the bench to do so

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7 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Start with the same team as Tuesday but Wright in for hunt and palmer in for pack. 

If we need to chase the game, we have the options on the bench to do so

Almost agree with this but would add Taylor for 'can't hit a barn door from more than 5 yards out' Weimann.

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9 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Start with the same team as Tuesday but Wright in for hunt and palmer in for pack. 

If we need to chase the game, we have the options on the bench to do so

Palmer for Pack and there's a good chance we will need to chase the game! 😀

Seriously, who'd you play deep midfield? 

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Must win for us, so straight out the blocks, don't give Hull a chance to realise what's hit them, but keep a solid back 4 + Pack. Give the other 5 freedom to do whatever it takes.

A draw is not good enough, so go for broke. 

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3 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

Almost agree with this but would add Taylor for 'can't hit a barn door from more than 5 yards out' Weimann.

Is that "can't hit a barn door from 1 yard out" Taylor, or have we got another one? 

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4 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

Almost agree with this but would add Taylor for 'can't hit a barn door from more than 5 yards out' Weimann.

Has Weimann not had one of his best scoring seasons whilst playing centrally?

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3 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Palmer for Pack and there's a good chance we will need to chase the game! 😀

Seriously, who'd you play deep midfield? 

I'd say walsh can do the deep lying playmaker role that pack does. He's quicker on the ball and what he lacks in strength he makes up for in speed on the ball. 

That being said, there's no chance of marlon being dropped so I don't know why I'm entertaining the idea! 

6 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

Almost agree with this but would add Taylor for 'can't hit a barn door from more than 5 yards out' Weimann.

I'd say weimann is a better finisher than Taylor to be honest

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8 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

Almost agree with this but would add Taylor for 'can't hit a barn door from more than 5 yards out' Weimann.

What a bizarre statement

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Bit worried about who will be our right back up against Grosicki. He absolutely destroyed Hunt last time. Hunt is not even an option as he is injured.

I'd go with Dasilva at right back for this one. We need to win the game and I would rather have 2 full backs that can get up to support our attacks in Kelly and Dasilva, rather than having Pisano who hasn't the legs, or Wright who is uncomfortable further up the pitch. And also Dasilva's pace might be better up against Grosicki.

Stuart Munro was a left footer who played most of his games at right back, and Brennan did a lot too. There is no reason that cannot work.

I would drop Pack for Palmer, drop Weimann for Eliasson. And lets attack them.

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8 minutes ago, Red white and red said:

Has Weimann not had one of his best scoring seasons whilst playing centrally?

EXACTLY, just 10 goals, 50% of what is considered the benchmark for a top striker.

5 of his goals in the first 6 games and 3 at Sheff Utd. Just 2 in over 30 other appearances, yes his endless running is admirable, but his shooting and final pass when on a run are pretty woeful.

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9 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

EXACTLY, just 10 goals, 50% of what is considered the benchmark for a top striker.

5 of his goals in the first 6 games and 3 at Sheff Utd. Just 2 in over 30 other appearances, yes his endless running is admirable, but his shooting and final pass when on a run are pretty woeful.

He seriously lacks composure

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17 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Bit worried about who will be our right back up against Grosicki. He absolutely destroyed Hunt last time. Hunt is not even an option as he is injured.

I'd go with Dasilva at right back for this one. We need to win the game and I would rather have 2 full backs that can get up to support our attacks in Kelly and Dasilva, rather than having Pisano who hasn't the legs, or Wright who is uncomfortable further up the pitch. And also Dasilva's pace might be better up against Grosicki.

Stuart Munro was a left footer who played most of his games at right back, and Brennan did a lot too. There is no reason that cannot work.

I would drop Pack for Palmer, drop Weimann for Eliasson. And lets attack them.

Not saying I agree but Wright will play right full back and Pack will play.

It is an option to put Brownhill at right back who will have the engery to keep up with Grosicki, thus allowing Palmer to start if we want to take the game to them.

Not ideal but if we keep Bowen & Grisicki quiet we should win the game 

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The right back position is likely to go to Wright, especially after the Pisano subbed sub episode on Tuesday. Otherwise the rest will be the same as the starters on Tuesday, the only other query being the keeper. Max made the penalty save, but he gave it away in the first place!

And then it's down to the subs, which if there are no injuries, at a guess, will be Palmer, Eliasson & Taylor and probably in that order.

The challenge will be to keep Grosicki and Bowen quiet when playing at the KC. Do that and we stand more than a chance of getting the win we need.

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1 hour ago, Pezo said:

The score only matters at the end of the game, I would almost play it as 2 separate games, keep it tight in the first half watch there patterns and utilise that knowledge to go at them in the second half

So in the one match you HAVE to score a goal in, you choose to give yourself 45 mins to do it in rather than 90? 

 

I don't get that at all.

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1 minute ago, CiderCraig said:

So in the one match you HAVE to score a goal in, you choose to give yourself 45 mins to do it in rather than 90? 

 

I don't get that at all.

Because you need to score a goal before the end not score a goal at the beginning and then conced 3.

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1 hour ago, JBFC II said:

I'd say walsh can do the deep lying playmaker role that pack does. He's quicker on the ball and what he lacks in strength he makes up for in speed on the ball. 

Walsh has no aerial ability. Pack wins a lot of headers. Playing Walsh in place of Pack would weaken us in that regard. 

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I'd approach Hull via the M5 and M1......Or maybe on a plane bound for Hartlepool...

And then all out attack...  Have to take it to them - there's no choice. 

If we find that Derby and Boro are both 4-0 up at half time. Bring on Marinovic for a giggle.

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1 hour ago, daored said:

Sunday is a simple equation we have to win.  

If you were Johnson how would you approach Sunday? Would you go all out attack or keep it safe and have a go in the second half ?

 

Do exactly what we’ve been doing all season - why change anything? 

This seasons away wins has been the best in decades.

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Can't believe no has mentioned sabotaging the Derby and Boro first team plans!

This would be my first plan for Sunday morning, something along the lines of: trigger the fire alarms of their hotels / training grounds at random times, spread stories on social media of players sleeping with other players wives, try to infect some of their squad with contagious illnesses (non-life threatening), and try to convince Flint to score an own goal / concede a penalty (SL can throw him a nice brown envelope of £50.00 notes to help him sleep easier at night).

Just a few ideas, come on City, time to be creative!!!

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22 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

Walsh has no aerial ability. Pack wins a lot of headers. Playing Walsh in place of Pack would weaken us in that regard. 

True, but surely ability to control and pass a ball is more important than heading ability for a midfielder

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20 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Do exactly what we’ve been doing all season - why change anything? 

This seasons away wins has been the best in decades.

It has been , no-one can deny that but this game is in reality a one off. I do think at times Johnson can be cautious. 

I don’t think many of us expected to be in this position @ 5pm last Saturday

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1 hour ago, Pezo said:

The score only matters at the end of the game, I would almost play it as 2 separate games, keep it tight in the first half watch there patterns and utilise that knowledge to go at them in the second half. 

Which to me is how we play the majority of our games anyway

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I expect LJ to set us up and play exactly as we usually do but I would like a fast start and hopefully a goal because that will be picked up by Derby and Boro fans and the unease transmitted to the players.

Long shot of course but we are up against it a bit !

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1 hour ago, Nathandao said:

We’ve been saving all our goals this season for this game. Come straight out of the blocks and absolutely stomp them, then it wont matter if Derby draw :laugh:

This...

Attacking line up/shape....go for it.

Very likely Lee will be cautious & we run out of time!!

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6 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

True, but surely ability to control and pass a ball is more important than heading ability for a midfielder

It’s all important, Jon. If we’re going to build the team around Walsh rather than Pack then we’ll need to play somebody alongside him who can compete aerially. Webster for example. But that’s change upon change which will potentially disrupt our winning formula away from home. 

As someone mentioned earlier, if it’s broke, don’t fix it. 

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11 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

It’s all important, Jon. If we’re going to build the team around Walsh rather than Pack then we’ll need to play somebody alongside him who can compete aerially. Webster for example. But that’s change upon change which will potentially disrupt our winning formula away from home. 

As someone mentioned earlier, if it’s broke, don’t fix it. 

There are benefits of having a tall player in midfield. But I think back to Preston absolutely destroying us a number of times in midfield with all very short players. Johnson, Pearson, Browne all about 5 foot 7. Having short, quick midfielders can have advantages as well as disadvantages.

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

Bit worried about who will be our right back up against Grosicki. He absolutely destroyed Hunt last time. Hunt is not even an option as he is injured.

I'd go with Dasilva at right back for this one. We need to win the game and I would rather have 2 full backs that can get up to support our attacks in Kelly and Dasilva, rather than having Pisano who hasn't the legs, or Wright who is uncomfortable further up the pitch. And also Dasilva's pace might be better up against Grosicki.

Stuart Munro was a left footer who played most of his games at right back, and Brennan did a lot too. There is no reason that cannot work.

I would drop Pack for Palmer, drop Weimann for Eliasson. And lets attack them.

Pisano got the legs. Look at these stats for when he plays vs when he doesn't. It's the last game and he's absolutely gonna be fighting for that contract, he's gonna give 100% 

 

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1 minute ago, Sturny said:

Pisano got the legs. Look at these stats for when he plays vs when he doesn't 

 

Yep he has good stats for us winning games, but I think a part of that is coincidence. He hardly gets up and down the line well. We could do with more of a threat down that side, especially in a game we definitely need to score and win. I just think Dasilva could be very effective on that side.

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14 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Yep he has good stats for us winning games, but I think a part of that is coincidence. He hardly gets up and down the line well. We could do with more of a threat down that side, especially in a game we definitely need to score and win. I just think Dasilva could be very effective on that side.

I see what you mean but I don't believe in weakening our strong left side attack to not massively boost the right side. I think the stats speak for itself and whatever part Pisano plays it works. He's also very good in the air better than Dasilva and Kelly. 

If i see Dasilva's ability wasted on the RB role ill be disappointed, he's faaaaar better on the left 

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2 hours ago, daored said:

Sunday is a simple equation we have to win.  

If you were Johnson how would you approach Sunday? Would you go all out attack or keep it safe and have a go in the second half ?

 

Go all out attack we were fortunate on Tuesday only came to life after the penalty miss dont leave it till last minute

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30 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

There are benefits of having a tall player in midfield. But I think back to Preston absolutely destroying us a number of times in midfield with all very short players. Johnson, Pearson, Browne all about 5 foot 7. Having short, quick midfielders can have advantages as well as disadvantages.

Regarding Sunday, we have ample proof that playing Pack in midfield can result in us winning games away from home. Probably more than we've ever done at Championship level. We have no proof that playing Walsh in his place will result in a winning format because it's never been tested. This is too big a game to try risky experiments. Let's go with what we know.

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8 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

Regarding Sunday, we have ample proof that playing Pack in midfield can result in us winning games away from home. Probably more than we've ever done at Championship level. We have no proof that playing Walsh in his place will result in a winning format because it's never been tested. This is too big a game to try risky experiments. Let's go with what we know.

Yeah you're right, we do win a lot with him playing. Only thing I would say is I don't think he even plays well often away from home, but can't argue we have won a lot of games. I'd personally move him on in the summer, but I can't see Johnson doing that.

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2 hours ago, Ohbasso said:

Probably the same as Johnson, play a negative team first half and go in 1-0 down then make a triple sub at half time and win 2-1, easy.

Many a true word spoken in jest!

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