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Coming out as homosexual in the Championship


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1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

Not at all.

If I've a criticism it follows a not unfamiliar pattern of homosexuals focussing on  'what ifs'?

Why should his being homosexual or announcing his being homisexual have to do with his pre season training or whether he's good eniught fir the squad. Unless that is he suspects or perhaps hopes there will be an impact? Why might that be? One might ask why he thinks it's such a big deal in the first place to have to publicise his sexual predilection? 

Having witnessed at first hand this week's Pride march one really has to ask what the agenda is these days?  I've never felt the need to wear a badge or T-Shirt proclaiming how much I like the opposite sex, or is this trait reserved only for homosexuals?

Ahh, the old "why don't we have straight pride?" retort. Be thankful that you don't need it.

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1 minute ago, REDOXO said:

Fashanu ran from the USA on the basis of a sexual assault charge. The implication he was driven to suicide by being gay is not really accurate. However the whole Tory MP thing and the newspaper headlines around him in the 90’s were insane and must have been hard. The fact that Fashanu came out and then talked about his private life and who he was involved was also a factor. Coming out is one thing, kiss and tell is another, particularly with a member of the right wing establishment.

I think the point many are trying to make is, its simply not news to them. The fact that it is news to others more than implies some have an overdeveloped sense of what  is an issue in the 21st century. People have freedoms, the UK is a tolerant society and I’m good with it.

If a player is being discriminated on the basis of sex or anything else at a club that’s an internal affair (clubs do have HR departments and have to comply with the law the same as anyone else), until the process is exhausted or it is so bad a legal process has begun. 

Good luck to the player who ever he is! I hope he is discrete about his relationships and does not drag others through the press in his wake simply because of a sexual encounter! Everyone is entitled to a private life!

 

The UK is not a totally tolerant society. I think that's the point. 

Like I've said, the fact that it's not news to you is perfectly fine. It is news though. 

I would be very surprised if the footballer in question does anything other than announce his sexuality and carry on with life. Has there been any indication that he'd be that salacious? Other than the fact that he's making it an event - which it would be, however low-key the announcement.

He's also tweeted recently that any money he makes from interviews or other PR will go to several LGBTQ charities. So he's not a money grabber either.

5 minutes ago, Loderingo said:

Sounds like very positive news.

As a gay man myself, let myself explain why this is really important. I only came out when I was 29, and part of that was that I couldn’t identify with the stereotype of a limp-wrested promiscuous hairdresser/air steward. What I’ve learned is that gay men are really just a subset of men and that you don’t have to conform to some set identity. That’s why it would have really helped me if there had been more gay role models in sports.

Hopefully one day we will get to the stage where sexuality becomes as boring as if you are left-handed or right-handed but we are not there yet.

And no I do not look at other men in the showers at the gym. I’d be terrified of getting beaten up!

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Loderingo said:

Sounds like very positive news.

As a gay man myself, let myself explain why this is really important. I only came out when I was 29, and part of that was that I couldn’t identify with the stereotype of a limp-wrested promiscuous hairdresser/air steward. What I’ve learned is that gay men are really just a subset of men and that you don’t have to conform to some set identity. That’s why it would have really helped me if there had been more gay role models in sports.

Hopefully one day we will get to the stage where sexuality becomes as boring as if you are left-handed or right-handed but we are not there yet.

And no I do not look at other men in the showers at the gym. I’d be terrified of getting beaten up!

 

 

How dare you! I am a 1 in 10 you know, and very proud to be left-handed (actually left-handed btw) It is never  boring to point out fellow lefties when I see 'em.

We are a community, and a repressed community. ever tried to cut with scissors for the wrong hand? Or get a decent guitar in exactly the colour you want???

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Wasn't there a footballer a few years ago that said they were going to come out but never did? 

Fair play to him if he does. 99.9% of fans will not give any abuse. But you know sky sports news will make a massive deal out of this, not that it isn't but they usually go over the top 

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2 minutes ago, Luxo Jr. said:

The UK is not a totally tolerant society. I think that's the point. 

Like I've said, the fact that it's not news to you is perfectly fine. It is news though. 

I would be very surprised if the footballer in question does anything other than announce his sexuality and carry on with life. Has there been any indication that he'd be that salacious? Other than the fact that he's making it an event - which it would be, however low-key the announcement.

He's also tweeted recently that any money he makes from interviews or other PR will go to several LGBTQ charities. So he's not a money grabber either.

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Good luck with totality in anything. But it is pretty tolerant. It’s not news to me and simply  millions of people most have moved on many will never!

We will see what he says. But he obviously has something to say. 

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49 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

Probably more likely to someone 30 plus and coming to an end of their career. Would have more to say about how it has been for them etc etc. I wonder too if any fellow pros would be "outed" as having been openly homophobic.

It's someone under 23- from their own Twitter.

Personally I hope the lad gets an applause from opposition fans when his name is read out on the opening day of the season (doesn't have to be every time) as a show of support from football fans.

7 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

How dare you! I am a 1 in 10 you know, and very proud to be left-handed (actually left-handed btw) It is never  boring to point out fellow lefties when I see 'em.

We are a community, and a repressed community. ever tried to cut with scissors for the wrong hand? Or get a decent guitar in exactly the colour you want???

I was a nightmare with scissors at school, would be given the left handed ones but they were always shit (or so I said) so I'd use right handed scissors upside down because then they worked.

Might just be down to me being awkward rather than left handed though.

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27 minutes ago, Wanderingred said:

Ahh, the old "why don't we have straight pride?" retort.

Save that's the exact opposite of the point I was making. We don't and I'm not convinced the Gay Pride event is held for the reasons it once was either (or those who suggest as much as to why it's still held,) though that itself is not a problem as if it's transformed to being a lifestyle celebration, then why not?

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Gay Footballer

About time. If it's not a hoax, this will be massive for the lgbt community.

Imagine not have to deny or hide your entire existence to all, just to be who you are. Can focus on being really good at what you do instead 😍

Some of the posts in this thread are abhorrent 😕 shows exactly why Pride is a thing, especially as since Brexit Lgbt violence has gone through the roof.

 

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Surely so many people are missing the point here. This is a very big deal. If someone so young is brave enough to come out when hundreds before him weren't... how many gay footballers can you name? Probably one. And that's a sad story.

So... hopefully this will be a big step to people get over their prejudices. It's taken years with the racists and still isn't sorted but so much better than in the 70s or 80s....

Best of luck to him. I like many millions of others will wish him well.

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33 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Save that's the exact opposite of the point I was making. We don't and I'm not convinced the Gay Pride event is held for the reasons it once was either (or those who suggest as much as to why it's still held,) though that itself is not a problem as if it's transformed to being a lifestyle celebration, then why not?

You were questioning why you don't feel the need to go around wearing a sticker proclaiming your heterosexuality.. The answer to that is so obvious, I can't believe that anyone would need to think about it. It just seemed like a bit of an ignorant post although I'm sure I've just misunderstood your point.

As for the pride events, for as long as people are being threatened, locked up and/or murdered for their sexuality, they are a worthwhile event (even if they might be a bit too commercialised these days). Hopefully we'll live to see the day when they are no longer needed.

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1 hour ago, Yozzarian said:

I haven't read all the posts but did catch Jessie Smollett's name somewhere.  The fact that this unrelated name appears in this thread is rather illuminating.

Actually, if you read thru. @RedDave was using it as an example that gay actors get attacked... No one used it to knock gay people and the issues they fade in the world 

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If anyone is daft enough to turn their back on their own football club over the sexuality of one of the players they are going to feel really confused if that player goes on to great things for the club. 

If it's one of our players who feels ready to open up about his private life then that would be a fantastically positive thing for our club to be part of that journey. 

A step like this, could and should change the face of the modern game. 

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4 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

I did a bit of research into this and found that around 5 - 7% of the world's population are homosexual or have homosexual tendencies.  This would suggest at least one in every teams squad, so not as uncommon as I thought.

Each and every one to there own I suppose and it doesn't really bother me except when it is flaunted.

Why does it bother you when it’s flaunted?

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35 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Fashanau broke the ice. Is it really a thing 25 years later?

Unfortunately Fashanu was bulied by his manager, shunned by team mates and even disowned by his own brother. A very sad case, that demonstrates the bravery needed to be the first to come out openly. 

You can only hope that the world has moved on and it will be the "non-issue" that many here predict.

I'm not so sure. The tiresome chants every time anyone plays Brighton suggests many fans are still stuck in the 1970s mentally. 

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10 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Unfortunately Fashanu was bulied by his manager, shunned by team mates and even disowned by his own brother. A very sad case, that demonstrates the bravery needed to be the first to come out openly. 

You can only hope that the world has moved on and it will be the "non-issue" that many here predict.

I'm not so sure. The tiresome chants every time anyone plays Brighton suggests many fans are still stuck in the 1970s mentally. 

It's probably been said, long thread, but some fans are just plain nasty. I remember the "I hope your wife dies of cancer" shouted at David Pleat when his wife was known to have cancer.

I cannot see someone like that not taking the opportunity to shout abuse at an openly gay player however much the majority will see it as being a non-issue.

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5 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

I did a bit of research into this and found that around 5 - 7% of the world's population are homosexual or have homosexual tendencies.  This would suggest at least one in every teams squad, so not as uncommon as I thought.

Each and every one to there own I suppose and it doesn't really bother me except when it is flaunted.

How gracious of you.............How DOE'S one flaunt? And are their any courses in flaunting available?

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5 hours ago, Prinny said:

I'm guessing the people who say "What's the big deal?" have zero experience with the queer community.

He's going to get death threats. He might get physically attacked. And he's going to get horrendous abuse. He's also going to get massive support and "who cares, just play" from the majority. It'll be a big deal for the person. That's why it matters, it matters for them, and it matters as his treatment will affect others getting into football. It will inspire others to be open about themselves. Or it will scare people into silence. It is a big deal.

If there is no problem, then it will cease to be a big deal. Let's hope so. Let's hope for a world where it's not news. But in a country where people are still being beaten up and abused for their sexuality, it is.

WE have a responsibility to support this player if you care about the wellness of others.

 

Is right mate, top post 👏

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4 hours ago, Robbored said:

Football is a unique industry tho......The reluctance for gay footballers to come is not necessarily about their own club or teammates but the reaction of fans, particularly away fans. 

I appreciate that homophobia and homophobic chants/comments are a no no but that won’t necessarily stop a minority of ignorant bigots from engaging in it.

Whoever is the first footballer to come out as gay will get my admiration for his courage.

As I posted earlier there is one former City player who alerted my gay radar the first time I saw him play and even more so when I met and chatted with him at some City function.

I hope it’s him.

Serious question Robbo, but how on earth can you tell a player is gay, by the way he plays? Or did you just post this again because everyone ignored you first time round ?

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3 hours ago, AppyDAZE said:

How dare you! I am a 1 in 10 you know, and very proud to be left-handed (actually left-handed btw) It is never  boring to point out fellow lefties when I see 'em.

We are a community, and a repressed community. ever tried to cut with scissors for the wrong hand? Or get a decent guitar in exactly the colour you want???

Left handedness was massively frowned upon not that long ago. 

My dearly departed mum was a leftie and her writing was a thing of beauty. She still had to go through school with her left hand strapped so she was forced to use her right hand. It sounds absolutely barbaric nowadays but, unfortunately, true.

As a youngster, I could write quite happily with either hand but now favour my right hand for strength yet my left for intricate work (eg soldering etc). At school, I was told lefties were 'closer to the devil, boy, use your right hand!!'. Bloody scary that was as an 11 year old. 

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