Davefevs Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 5 hours ago, alexukhc said: I got a bigger fine pissing in the girls toilets at spice girls, yes the cubical was locked, first offence too You fail to admit it was backstage in Baby Spice’s dressing room!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, cidered abroad said: I wonder what Joe Public on benefits would have got? A custodial sentence because he wouldn't be frightened by the other inmates. The judge wasn’t able to send them to prison was he? I thought the guidelines had to be followed no matter someone’s profession? 2 hours ago, ScottishRed said: Joke of a punishment, send out the completely wrong message. Not a major inconvenience having a driving ban when you can comfortably pay for a driver / taxi. So fined 6 weeks wages by their employer, minimum punishment from the court - all over. I really wonder what would have happened to Joe Public in exactly the same circumstances. Pretty similar I think. Guidelines suggest maybe even less of a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Vincent Vega said: You deserved the fine just for attending a Spice Girls concert. Funnily enough the arresting policeman said the same to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Popodopolous Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 On TalkSport, they are/were talking about the drink driving thing and alcohol in football generally. Don't know it in full but Mel Morris apparently said- and it's probably one of many quotes- that "football needs to learn from this". What a laugh... Taken from a Derby forum. Quote Mel Morris not live on radio: Mel has a back problem at the moment and is currently confined to bed. Mel says drinking and driving is rife through the football world, whole sport of football must learn from this. Needs to act as a deterrent for other footballers who do the same thing. Yep, this sentence and club punishment- it's a real deterrent!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 hours ago, billywedlock said: Current guidelines are for far harsher bans. This is farcical in extreme. Do that in my location and it would be 3 years and a drink related intensive rehab course with Monday morning breath tests. They must be laughing. No charges for the driving standards , nothing for causing injury to a passenger. The Police did not file anything with the cps. They certainly could have. From what I can find, 3 year bans are for second offences. Perhaps I’m missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 hours ago, billywedlock said: How on earth have they got away with that. Almost all serious drink driving offences today are 3 years ban. That there was no charge relating to careless or dangerous driving beggars belief, and how a charge of dangerous driving and causing an injury was not filed by the cps suggests the local police are Derby fans. They nearly killed themselves and others around. The police and cps have. a lot to answer for here. Nothing to do with lawyers, the charges presented were pathetic . 8 hours ago, billywedlock said: Current guidelines are for far harsher bans. This is farcical in extreme. Do that in my location and it would be 3 years and a drink related intensive rehab course with Monday morning breath tests. They must be laughing. No charges for the driving standards , nothing for causing injury to a passenger. The Police did not file anything with the cps. They certainly could have. What about prison- or was that unlikely with the guidelines etc? Still struggling with the comments of the judge- worth repeating as to a non lawyer like me- they're somewhat odd! District Judge Jonathan Taaffee had warned the players a custodial sentence was an option, but decided not to follow through on the threat after hearing from probation services that they would struggle in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 38 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: District Judge Jonathan Taaffee had warned the players a custodial sentence was an option, but decided not to follow through on the threat after hearing from probation services that they would struggle in prison. This is absolute horseshit. I'd imagine that MOST people would "struggle in prison" if sent down for the first time. Mental. I can understand it if it went against precedent or sentencing guidelines but that excuse is nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: This is absolute horseshit. I'd imagine that MOST people would "struggle in prison" if sent down for the first time. Mental. I can understand it if it went against precedent or sentencing guidelines but that excuse is nonsense You're right there! It's a joke- or would be if it didn't have the risk of having been being so serious ie the possibility of injury or even death from the crash- precedent and sentencing guidelines would be a reason albeit one open to debate but that reason is almost beyond parody! The sort of explanation to a headline I'd expect to see in a Spoof publication- ie The Daily Mash, The Spoof or perhaps Private Eye to name 2 or 3- not a genuine judge in a genuine court case!! Reckon this guy or some UK relative must have been the judge sitting the case- go to 00:00:35 on here to 01:00:00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 I`ve been wondering if the CPS/Police might appeal due to the sentence being too lenient - can they do that? No deterrent at all what they got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-7630895/Richard-Keogh-SACKED-Derby-refusing-pay-cut-following-injury-car-crash.html A sad way to end his career with the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 A player has been sacked over this... ...the possibly unfortunate... Keogh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Curr Avon said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-7630895/Richard-Keogh-SACKED-Derby-refusing-pay-cut-following-injury-car-crash.html A sad way to end his career with the Rams. Yep seems harsh on the face of it given the other two were behind the wheel and are now back playing. Although from Derbys perspective they were faced with having to pay a players wage for the rest of the season who through his own fault had made himself unavailable for selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: A player has been sacked over this... ...the possibly unfortunate... Keogh! The other 2 to follow......not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Curr Avon said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-7630895/Richard-Keogh-SACKED-Derby-refusing-pay-cut-following-injury-car-crash.html A sad way to end his career with the Rams. So, what about Lawrence and Bennett? Guessing the fact that they have transfer value means that Derby are taking an inconsistent (hypocritical) approach. Keogh wasn’t driving was he!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Vincent Vega said: The other 2 to follow......not. We shall see. Surely they are on dodgy legal ground if they sack the one who was actually left in the car- sacked because he didn't take a paycut apparently. Wasn't there talk of Keogh suing the other 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Dolman_Stand said: Yep seems harsh on the face of it given the other two were behind the wheel and are now back playing. Although from Derbys perspective they were faced with having to pay a players wage for the rest of the season who through his own fault had made himself unavailable for selection. The cynic in me says the other two have value to Derby...…………... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: A player has been sacked over this... ...the possibly unfortunate... Keogh! Good but I find it ridiculous that the other two got away with a slapped wrist from the courts & club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Player with no sell on value due to age, on big contract, wth possibly a career ending injury is sacked, younger players who have a value retained, anyone surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: We shall see. Surely they are on dodgy legal ground if they sack the one who was actually left in the car- sacked because he didn't take a paycut apparently. Very inconsistent approach to this whole ordeal. Keogh, the scapegoat. Hope he challenges their decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: We shall see. Surely they are on dodgy legal ground if they sack the one who was actually left in the car- sacked because he didn't take a paycut apparently. Far to much value in the other 2 for the moral Derby County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Davefevs said: So, what about Lawrence and Bennett? Guessing the fact that they have transfer value means that Derby are taking an inconsistent (hypocritical) approach. Keogh wasn’t driving was he!! Too true, Dave. Lets also hope that Keogh is able to play professional football again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Davefevs said: So, what about Lawrence and Bennett? Guessing the fact that they have transfer value means that Derby are taking an inconsistent (hypocritical) approach. Keogh wasn’t driving was he!! It's driven (sorry) by money isn't it. Lawrence and Bennett remain fit to play and so Derby can carry on employing and paying them as that employment still benefits Derby. Keogh is crocked for the season - why pay him (and medical bills) when you can just dismiss him, presumably under some sort of gross misconduct clause. Nothing to do with wishing to punish anyone, just economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Very inconsistent approach to this whole ordeal. Keogh, the scapegoat. Hope he challenges their decision. Agreed- Keogh wasn't even in court/in the dock and he's the one who is sacked! @Grey Fox Of course, the financial POV all makes sense but I question employment law, consistency here etc. @Vincent Vega Very much so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: The cynic in me says the other two have value to Derby...…………... Yep to be honest Derby are the biggest losers in all of this so it's difficult to criticise them whatever they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Curr Avon said: Too true, Dave. Lets also hope that Keogh is able to play professional football again. Don’t think we will be hearing the last of this....unless “sacked” is the external wording and “contract paid up” us what’s really happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: Agreed- Keogh wasn't even in court/in the dock and he's the one who is sacked! @Grey Fox Of course, the financial POV all makes sense but I question employment law, consistency here etc. @Vincent Vega Very much so! Mr P, it is the normal law of anything..........money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Grey Fox said: Mr P, it is the normal law of anything..........money I know, but I wonder if Derby might be on questionable legal ground if Keogh made the scapegoat, the sacrificial lamb for the 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: We shall see. Surely they are on dodgy legal ground if they sack the one who was actually left in the car- sacked because he didn't take a paycut apparently. Wasn't there talk of Keogh suing the other 2? Doubt it really. Probably sacked under some sort of misconduct clause in his contract or in some employee handbook. Therefore Derby can say that he was sacked not because of his injury or not taking a paycut. I guess he might be able to claim that the other two should be sacked as well but he's unlikely to get himself reinstated. Derby must have already taken legal advice on this and the contract is likely pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 I think he's been silly, but this is totally unfair as regards to those other two players. Take action, RK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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