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Changes to City away ticketing

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7 minutes ago, AshtonPark said:

Think that sums up how little control the SLO has over his own job role. He’s a club puppet and nothing more.

It also sends out a clear message to the fans customers about how they are regarded by the club 

Suggests that their smooching of fans support in interviews is complete hot air , and false

(Though I do believe LJ and the players genuinely appreciate the support - the rest , Particularly Ashton for all his hot air ,see us as cash cows)

 

wait and see how long before a fee becomes involved with Away day ticket allocation 

Want to be an Away Member ? .....that will be £££££££-

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1 hour ago, Blagdon red said:

The matter was indeed discussed. He confirmed that he would not be coming on here, but declined to say who had instructed him on that. He did, however, confirm that the correct person for the SC&T to take the matter up with would be Mark Ashton.

It's a bizarre and ridiculous situation in my own personal view.

His reply reminds me of the competition Viz ran...

'Who was lead singer with Genesis before Phil Colins?'

Send your answers to, 'Peter Gabriel competition....'

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12 hours ago, Blagdon red said:

As our SLO is not allowed to come on here and, well, liaise, let me pass on what he said about this at tonight's SC&T meeting.

In short, there will be extensive consultation with fans on how the priority system should work. They are aware that there are lots of different ways that it could be done and that different fans will have different views on what is the best way. So they will listen (and possibly do a survey/poll) before deciding how to do it.

A few things: 

Struggling to get an away ticket in this division will rarely be an issue. Luton, with such a small allocation in a small ground, being a bit of an anomaly. The only other occasions will be away games towards the end of the season if we're in the top 6 or even challenging automatic promotion. But, the biggest draw will come should we make the play-offs. Away fans usually get 2,000 tickets, irrespective of the home team's capacity. 

However, getting away tickets will become a big deal should we ever go up. Almost every Prem club provides 3,000 away tickets (with the exception of Bournemouth due to their ground being almost as small as Luton's). 

I liked what we did about 10-15 years ago with the traffic light priority points system. Someone on here will point out if I get any of this incorrect, but from memory points were awarded based on:

Distance to away ground (from AG)

Time and date of match at away ground.

e..g a Tuesday night away to Norwich would guarantee maximum points. A Sat 3pm ko away to Reading only the minimum. 

With something like a trip to the East Midlands or South Yorkshire for a Sat 3pm ko being in the middle.

Priority order for away tickets went something like this(I think...)

1. Season ticket holders with x number of points (accumulated through having attended x number of aways)

2. Members with x number of points 

3. Season ticket holders

4. Members

5. General Sale

Giving members who regularly attend aways but can't afford a ST and/or don't live in/near Bristol was a way of rewarding their loyalty. It wasn't perfect, but I think worked pretty well.

The biggest criticism was them getting priority over STHs who never (or rarely) went to aways. 

No system will work brilliantly. But, I like allocating points based on how I think we did it before. It does mean that X fan could go to 3 aways near Bristol and Y fan go to 1 4-6 hours away and Y fan gets more points that X does for his/her 3 outings, but as I said, the system isn't perfect.

Something like this (or similar) would be a decent option.

One thing: if this loyalty scheme discounts past attendances at aways over this or previous seasons, it'll be a bit of a mess if we go up (as demand will far outstrip supply). It'll be ok however if we don't.

PS. It's a real shame that our SLO doesn't come on here. Pretty pathetic to be honest if this is thanks to the club.

 

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Won't surprise me if we do ever reach the promised land, the club will look at the 'likely away allocation' and see it as an opportunity to sell 'the away fan plus' ticket.

Where for some mental amount of money, you can be one of a couple of thousand* people with a 'right to buy' am away ticket if you are a season ticket. (Or something along those lines).

*any remaining tickets will then be sold in priority order.

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3 hours ago, Fat Cigar said:

Giving members who regularly attend aways but can't afford a ST and/or don't live in/near Bristol was a way of rewarding their loyalty. It wasn't perfect, but I think worked pretty well.

 

I like this. Many people that live far from Bristol won't want to stump up for an ST they might only use twice a year. I'd be quite behind the whole waterfall and points system you set out there. With the caveat that 10% or so of the allocation is guaranteed held back for general sale in order to allow some new fans the opportunity of coming to an away game.

Agree that any system has to find some way to credit people for this season and possibly last season.

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1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said:

I like this. Many people that live far from Bristol won't want to stump up for an ST they might only use twice a year. I'd be quite behind the whole waterfall and points system you set out there. With the caveat that 10% or so of the allocation is guaranteed held back for general sale in order to allow some new fans the opportunity of coming to an away game.

Agree that any system has to find some way to credit people for this season and possibly last season.

Just to play devils advocate...

If people can 'travel' to the away games, why can't they also travel to Ashton Gate?

(Not a dig at anyone, just making the point that if people can make all/most away games, why can't they do the homes games instead).

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1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

Just to play devils advocate...

If people can 'travel' to the away games, why can't they also travel to Ashton Gate?

(Not a dig at anyone, just making the point that if people can make all/most away games, why can't they do the homes games instead).

Can only speak from personal experience but I lived in London when I was a trainee. I couldn't afford the cost of an ST at AG, plus the 23 annual trips on the horribly expensive GWR London - Bristol service. I could however afford tickets to the London away games, plus the tube journeys (I even used to cycle to some of them). So while I barely ever attended AG I'd get to half a dozen away games a season. Take someone else who maybe lives in Preston. They've got a few games very close by - PNE, Blackburn, Barnsley, Wigan.

London's an easy case as you've got a concentration of games in very easy reach - with a good, cheap transport system to get you there. But the point is it's not all about those that live in BS3 and travel.

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8 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Can only speak from personal experience but I lived in London when I was a trainee. I couldn't afford the cost of an ST at AG, plus the 23 annual trips on the horribly expensive GWR London - Bristol service. I could however afford tickets to the London away games, plus the tube journeys (I even used to cycle to some of them). So while I barely ever attended AG I'd get to half a dozen away games a season. Take someone else who maybe lives in Preston. They've got a few games very close by - PNE, Blackburn, Barnsley, Wigan.

London's an easy case as you've got a concentration of games in very easy reach - with a good, cheap transport system to get you there. But the point is it's not all about those that live in BS3 and travel.

So a lot of those who are tied geographically are unlikely to 'jump the queue' against the average season ticket holder who does a few away games a season.

Which makes the suggested solution seem quite reasonable.

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It will be interesting to know how many STHs we think go to every/the majority of aways too. We obviously know of @Olé.

I'm a STH and make it to about 5-7 aways a season. Only been to Stoke so far this season. Whenever I go, I see the same faces. 

I reckon (completely guessing), there are no more than between 200-300 STHs that go to every away too. This would of course increase dramatically if we got promotion. 

I'm not a fan of the prospect of an away ST. I understand why some clubs do it, but it means there will be very few away tickets that ever make it to home STHs, let alone members, and virtually none for general sale

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5 minutes ago, Fat Cigar said:

It will be interesting to know how many STHs we think go to every/the majority of aways too. We obviously know of @Olé.

I'm a STH and make it to about 5-7 aways a season. Only been to Stoke so far this season. Whenever I go, I see the same faces. 

I reckon (completely guessing), there are no more than between 200-300 STHs that go to every away too. This would of course increase dramatically if we got promotion. 

I'm not a fan of the prospect of an away ST. I understand why some clubs do it, but it means there will be very few away tickets that ever make it to home STHs, let alone members, and virtually none for general sale

Would guess to be an away STH you would also need to have one for Ashton Gate as well.

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6 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Would guess to be an away STH you would also need to have one for Ashton Gate as well.

Oh, completely. I'd be surprised/disappointed if we did this though. 

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Points system

3 for a home game (69 in total for season tickets holders, but those who don’t buy ST but attend all games aren’t disadvantaged)

2 for away games

Have a couple double points offers throughout the season for least desirable games/on a poor run/long distance Friday nights away on sky. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Fat Cigar said:

It will be interesting to know how many STHs we think go to every/the majority of aways too. We obviously know of @Olé.

I'm a STH and make it to about 5-7 aways a season. Only been to Stoke so far this season. Whenever I go, I see the same faces. 

I reckon (completely guessing), there are no more than between 200-300 STHs that go to every away too. This would of course increase dramatically if we got promotion. 

I'm not a fan of the prospect of an away ST. I understand why some clubs do it, but it means there will be very few away tickets that ever make it to home STHs, let alone members, and virtually none for general sale

Under the previous points system, I attended just over half the away games, not always the local ones, and I was in the top 100. Obviously our away support has improved since then, so I’d probably be too 200 now. 

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1 hour ago, Gifford said:

Points system

3 for a home game (69 in total for season tickets holders, but those who don’t buy ST but attend all games aren’t disadvantaged)

2 for away games

Have a couple double points offers throughout the season for least desirable games/on a poor run/long distance Friday nights away on sky. 

 

 

Not a bad system but I still believe season tkt holders should have a few more points than those attending every game. For the simple reason that they have stumped up a large amount of cash long before the new season starts. They are gambling on the club having a decent season whereas anyone else can attend every game until they see the season going pear shaped. I would suggest season tkt holders start on 10 points and members 2 or 3.

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Will probably be in the minority here. But why not just get rid of the priority sales periods for STH and members and just use this ‘loyalty’ system in whatever format that may be and that alone. 

That way, it really is rewarding the away travellers, regardless of whether you’re a season ticket holder or live on the other side of the country. 

 

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12 minutes ago, KingLear said:

Will probably be in the minority here. But why not just get rid of the priority sales periods for STH and members and just use this ‘loyalty’ system in whatever format that may be and that alone. 

That way, it really is rewarding the away travellers, regardless of whether you’re a season ticket holder or live on the other side of the country. 

 

Proof of travel though?

Putting aside even the ST and membership debate, there are loopholes that I am sure those who know about those things could exploit with that- not me of course, but there will be those who can find them out and if possible, would utilise them.

Then again, I suppose there are loopholes in most things if people look hard enough and are sufficiently determined.

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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Proof of travel though?

Putting aside even the ST and membership debate, there are loopholes that I am sure those who know about those things could exploit with that- not me of course, but there will be those who can find them out and if possible, would utilise them.

Then again, I suppose there are loopholes in most things if people look hard enough and are sufficently determined.

Yeah potentially, but I really can’t see many people buying a ticket and not actually going to the game just to build up some loyalty points. Or maybe I’m just being naive? 

I mean I can see a scenario where someone with a lot of loyalty points would buy a ticket and give it to a friend/family member who would go as it’s a win win for everyone involved right? 

Points would need to be reset periodically though IMO to give other/new fans a fair crack.

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2 minutes ago, KingLear said:

Yeah potentially, but I really can’t see many people buying a ticket and not actually going to the game just to build up some loyalty points. Or maybe I’m just being naive? 

I mean I can see a scenario where someone with a lot of loyalty points would buy a ticket and give it to a friend/family member who would go as it’s a win win for everyone involved right? 

Points would need to be reset periodically though IMO to give other/new fans a fair crack.

But then you lose a long established season ticket benefit. And with games (home and away) often being on the red button or sky, if you dilute the additional value in getting a season ticket, some might not bother.

It's difficult to know what to do for the best. 

Season ticket plus points (tier 1)

Season ticket (tier 2)

Membership plus points (tier 3)

Membership (tier 4)

General sale.

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4 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

But then you lose a long established season ticket benefit. And with games (home and away) often being on the red button or sky, if you dilute the additional value in getting a season ticket, some might not bother.

It's difficult to know what to do for the best. 

Season ticket plus points (tier 1)

Season ticket (tier 2)

Membership plus points (tier 3)

Membership (tier 4)

General sale.

This is the main issue with my suggestion. STH would kick up a massive stink about losing their away ticket priority of course. 

But how about if you swap tiers 2 and 3 around with your idea above? 

At the end of the day we’re talking about rewarding away travel, so if you’ve got a season ticket and want to go to away games then you will. And would be rightly rewarded with 1st priority. 

The same as above for members who can’t justify a season ticket but travel away regularly. Rightly rewarded with 2nd priority.

Then if there’s tickets left. Any other STH, then members, general sale etc.

Would stop those STH who never (hardly ever) go to away games getting priority over regulars, as per the whole idea. 

Yes some might say that’s a perk of being a STH and they’d have a point. Not an easy system to implement.

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30 minutes ago, KingLear said:

This is the main issue with my suggestion. STH would kick up a massive stink about losing their away ticket priority of course. 

But how about if you swap tiers 2 and 3 around with your idea above? 

At the end of the day we’re talking about rewarding away travel, so if you’ve got a season ticket and want to go to away games then you will. And would be rightly rewarded with 1st priority. 

The same as above for members who can’t justify a season ticket but travel away regularly. Rightly rewarded with 2nd priority.

Then if there’s tickets left. Any other STH, then members, general sale etc.

Would stop those STH who never (hardly ever) go to away games getting priority over regulars, as per the whole idea. 

Yes some might say that’s a perk of being a STH and they’d have a point. Not an easy system to implement.

I think the only way that would work would be with some sort of 'membership plus' scheme, so that those spending money on tickets where the revenue goes to support our divisional rivals, also made a financial commitment to City.

I get that for a lot if people they would see that as dead money, but equally, I am sure they appreciate that without the revenue generated by supporters who attend home games, out ability to invest and improve the squad would be hampered.

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10 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I think the only way that would work would be with some sort of 'membership plus' scheme, so that those spending money on tickets where the revenue goes to support our divisional rivals, also made a financial commitment to City.

I get that for a lot if people they would see that as dead money, but equally, I am sure they appreciate that without the revenue generated by supporters who attend home games, out ability to invest and improve the squad would be hampered.

Yeah good point.

Would it not inevitably lead to more membership sales though?

To be honest I’ve no idea how many members we have. But I’m sure a guaranteed second priority on away tickets (dependent on games attended) would entice a fair few more into buying one if it came down to it.

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22 minutes ago, KingLear said:

Yeah good point.

Would it not inevitably lead to more membership sales though?

To be honest I’ve no idea how many members we have. But I’m sure a guaranteed second priority on away tickets (dependent on games attended) would entice a fair few more into buying one if it came down to it.

Being honest?

If it means City turn more coin, I would imagine the club will consider it.

Expect to see the 'plus' option with 'credits' as an optional paid upgrade to season tickets next year.

But that will, obviously, be born of independent thought as the club don't do OTIB.

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6 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

Just to play devils advocate...

If people can 'travel' to the away games, why can't they also travel to Ashton Gate?

(Not a dig at anyone, just making the point that if people can make all/most away games, why can't they do the homes games instead).

You've not driven down the M32 recently then? 🚗 🚗🚗

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Think some people are looking too deep into this and imagining scenarios that are unlikely to happen. The old system worked well, rewarding ST holders (Obvious priority) and those who actually went to away games. Luton was the exception, rather than the norm, and it’s only if we hit the Prem that the Glory Hunters appear. So if that happens, only fair to prioritise those regulars in the previous season or two. 

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