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Is racism a problem at City games?

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2 minutes ago, Harry said:

Tommy Robinson is a ********. 

Some will agree with his views, others won’t. That’s entirely a matter of choice.

But football fans singing it is totally irrelevant to the game and whoever did so is, in my own opinion, a ******** too. 

Singing Tommy Robinson’s name is, in and of itself, not racist. However, those singing it would be totally aware of the context in which they were singing it - which is of a racial content. Therefore, those singing it are idiots and yes, racist. 

Anyone trying to defend these idiots is, well....enough said. 

Don't think it's as simple as that. They sang a blokes name.

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8 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

There is a thread on the FLA in the politics section. Tommy Robinson is no longer part of an organisation but the FLA do clearly share many similarities with the early EDL. One being they have multi racial members/supporters and include people of differing faiths. That entirely runs in the face of left wings groups and the main stream media who accuse the FLA and Tommy Robinson supporters of overt racism, fascism and of being nazis.  

Wow , for a poster who I enjoy reading regarding your opinions on football and tactics etc and seem pretty educated.....this is embarrassing. Unless hopefully I've read this wrong ? 

To defend FLA and Tommy Robinson supporter's is ridiculous. 

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1 minute ago, ciderwithtommy said:

Cheers for that, but not what I asked was it? I asked since when is did being an Islamaphobe stop you from also being racist? Couldn’t someone be both?

They could, but there is no evidence to suggest Tommy Robinson has ever been racist, honestly there is nothing online to suggest he’s ever been prejudice to any race. He criticises a religion because of what he’s experienced when growing up in Luton and they are some pretty horrific things. If you watched his Oxford University speech (it’s on youtube), maybe you’d see a different perspective on certain issues that need addressing.

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3 minutes ago, Bristolboy_06 said:

They could, but there is no evidence to suggest Tommy Robinson has ever been racist, honestly there is nothing online to suggest he’s ever been prejudice to any race. He criticises a religion because of what he’s experienced when growing up in Luton and they are some pretty horrific things. If you watched his Oxford University speech (it’s on youtube), maybe you’d see a different perspective on certain issues that need addressing.

Brain washed.......

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3 minutes ago, Bristolboy_06 said:

They could, but there is no evidence to suggest Tommy Robinson has ever been racist, honestly there is nothing online to suggest he’s ever been prejudice to any race. He criticises a religion because of what he’s experienced when growing up in Luton and they are some pretty horrific things. If you watched his Oxford University speech (it’s on youtube), maybe you’d see a different perspective on certain issues that need addressing.

So claiming people should be deported because of their race isn’t showing prejudice?

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2 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

So claiming people should be deported because of their race isn’t showing prejudice?

Weirdly enough all the people claiming Tommy Robinson isn't a racist seem to be swerving this question.

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2 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

So claiming people should be deported because of their race isn’t showing prejudice?

Please provide me the evidence where this is said? You won’t be able to because what you’ve just said is completely made up. 

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3 minutes ago, Luxo Jr. said:

Weirdly enough all the people claiming Tommy Robinson isn't a racist seem to be swerving this question.

Provide the source of where this was reported then and it will be answered accordingly

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4 minutes ago, Bristolboy_06 said:

Please provide me the evidence where this is said? You won’t be able to because what you’ve just said is completely made up. 

Funnily enough it isn’t made up, here’s the proof 

http://gal-dem.com/tommy-robinson-is-running-to-be-an-mep-heres-why-you-should-be-very-very-worried/

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8 minutes ago, Three Lions said:

Chuck it Harry you know who they are you drink with then in the Spanish Lions and Masonic. You will say nothing to their faces.

I’m not sure who you are based on your user name but I assume I know you. 

I don’t know who these idiots were who were singing this nor whether I know / drink with them at Spanish. 

What I do know is that I am in a WhatsApp group of about 45 people who all drink with me in Spanish and everyone on that group tonight is saying this is out of order. 

So I don’t know who the other people I know from Spanish who may be involved in this are, but there’s 45 of them that certainly aren’t involved in this and aren’t very proud of this. 

I just don’t see why singing Robinson’s name at football is in any way relevant to anything to do with football. 

Given the context of the racism in football debate this week, don’t you agree that this is rather ill-conceived? 

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2 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

He says ‘adult muslims’, where has he mentioned race? You are another person who doesn’t understand the difference between races and a religion. All my posts still stand.

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2 minutes ago, Bristolboy_06 said:

Says you? Brained washed by the left news outlets 

What a come back..... Get back in the museum you dinosaur. 

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1 minute ago, Bristolboy_06 said:

He says ‘adult muslims’, where has he mentioned race? You are another person who doesn’t understand the difference between races and a religion. All my posts still stand.

‘Every male muslim that has come into the EU over the last 12 months’.

Surely you can see that there’s more to that quote than just Islamophobia...

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10 minutes ago, Spoons said:

Wow , for a poster who I enjoy reading regarding your opinions on football and tactics etc and seem pretty educated.....this is embarrassing. Unless hopefully I've read this wrong ? 

To defend FLA and Tommy Robinson supporter's is ridiculous. 

What did I post that was incorrect?

The early EDL were multi racial and the EDL did have differing faith divisions. The FLA now the DFLA have organisers of differing races. In the politics thread it is noted that Bristol City FLA supporters attending rallies were not exclusively white. These are facts. So neither can be overtly racist, fascist or Nazis.  

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1 minute ago, Bristolboy_06 said:

Funnily enough i’m 20 and go to university, i just don’t believe what the left media outlets have to say

Hope your parents kept the receipt on your university fees.......need a refund. 

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2 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

What did I post that was incorrect?

The early EDL were multi racial and the EDL did have differing faith divisions. The FLA now the DFLA have organisers of differing races. In the politics thread it is noted that Bristol City FLA supporters attending rallies were not exclusively white. These are facts. So neither can be overtly racist, fascist or Nazis.  

Multi racial...no. Tokenism ...yes. And breaking news people that are non white can be racist! 

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2 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

‘Every male muslim that has come into the EU over the last 12 months’.

Surely you can see that there’s more to that quote than just Islamophobia...

No i genuinely don’t see it, he highlights the fact it’s ‘male muslims’ , it’s as black and white as that , it’s only people who disagree with him that see it as anything more when it’s not 

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1 minute ago, Bristolboy_06 said:

No i genuinely don’t see it, he highlights the fact it’s ‘male muslims’ , it’s as black and white as that , it’s only people who disagree with him that see it as anything more when it’s not 

Are you failing to see the bit I’ve put in bold on purpose? 

He’s literally saying that anyone of a different race to him who is a Muslim should be deported. If that’s not racism I don’t know what is

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1 minute ago, Spoons said:

Multi racial...no. Tokenism ...yes. And breaking news people that are non white can be racist! 

Multi racial yes.

So by that act these organisations and supporters cannot be all that is claimed. It is a simple point to understand. 

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21 minutes ago, Bristolboy_06 said:

They could, but there is no evidence to suggest Tommy Robinson has ever been racist, honestly there is nothing online to suggest he’s ever been prejudice to any race. He criticises a religion because of what he’s experienced when growing up in Luton and they are some pretty horrific things. If you watched his Oxford University speech (it’s on youtube), maybe you’d see a different perspective on certain issues that need addressing.

Sorry, did I mention Stephen Yaxley Lennon at all? Seems like you have been brain washed a bit into linking all questions to the aforementioned convict.

 I accept your apology that people can be both, thanks. Here’s a thought for you, what if you remove phrases like “islamaphobe” and “racist” and replaced them all with the word “moron”, this would simplify it all?

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2 hours ago, FlintSaidNo said:

Tommy Robinson has no basis for his claims besides the fact that the people he’s accusing aren’t white and that is racist

As much as he is a knob, the one thing he does have is basis for his claims 

plenty has been swept under the carpet in recent years and he exposes it, jumps on it...and uses it to fuel his agenda 

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4 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

As much as he is a knob, the one thing he does have is basis for his claims 

plenty has been swept under the carpet in recent years and he exposes it, jumps on it...and uses it to fuel his agenda 

Can you provide with the basis for his claims that Islam is a ‘disease’ and all male Muslims who have entered the EU in the past 12 months should be deported? 

So far @Bristolboy_06@forestofdean and @famouslastword have failed to....

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Islamophobia = Racism

Discriminating or demonstrating prejudice against an entire religion due to the actions of a tiny minority of it is racist.

You can use whatever term you want to describe it, it still doesn’t make it less racist.

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11 minutes ago, marcofisher said:

Islamophobia = Racism

Discriminating or demonstrating prejudice against an entire religion due to the actions of a tiny minority of it is racist.

You can use whatever term you want to describe it, it still doesn’t make it less racist.

Surely racism has to do with race? Islam along with other religions aren't a race. 

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

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If we're going on the dictionary definition of racism – that the prejudice is based on the belief that one's own race is superior – then I'm not sure the 'small town in Asia' chant accurately fits that bill. I don't think people chanting that genuinely think whites are superior to Asians (unlike the white people who used black people as slaves, for example). This strikes me as being more about tribalism than racism – so in a way, it is quite similar to chants against the Welsh, French, etc. Not that that excuses it – it still creates misery and can lead to bullying and violence, etc – but I think this kind of thinking, especially among men, is innate to an extent. 

On a separate (and rather depressing) note, for all the talk of 'stamping out racism', I'm not convinced it's actually racism that's being stamped out, but people openly expressing racist views

 

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31 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Can you provide with the basis for his claims that Islam is a ‘disease’ and all male Muslims who have entered the EU in the past 12 months should be deported? 

So far @Bristolboy_06@forestofdean and @famouslastword have failed to....

Do you believe Islam, as a whole, is successfully integrating with the West? 

The point I was making when I talked about the basis for his claims, is the fact he called out the Rotherham scandal years before it came out. He has highlighted issues in some communities which are on a par with the Jimmy Saville scandal...yet for some reason, they get swept under the carpet 

He provided evidence of senior counsellors and senior law enforcement who ignored claims because they feared being deemed ‘racist’ if they called it out for what it was 

Islam has not integrated very well in this country or western society as a whole. Until we actually tackle certain issues...rodents like Tommy Robinson will continue to get a platform 

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14 minutes ago, AshtonPark said:

Surely racism has to do with race? Islam along with other religions aren't a race. 

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Racism can also be perceived as discrimination against certain ethnic groups.

An ethnic group can be defined as a group of people who identify with each other due to various shared factors, one of which can be their belief.

Whatever the label you want to put on it is, discrimination should not be acceptable in any shape or form. 

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2 minutes ago, marcofisher said:

Racism can also be perceived as discrimination against certain ethnic groups.

An ethnic group can be defined as a group of people who identify with each other due to various shared factors, one of which can be their belief.

Whatever the label you want to put on it is, discrimination should not be acceptable in any shape or form. 

Not according to the dictionary it isn’t, surely we don’t just make up meaning to words?  

Surely what you have just said can be deemed racist, so a white British Muslim is in an ethnic group?

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12 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

Do you believe Islam, as a whole, is successfully integrating with the West? 

The point I was making when I talked about the basis for his claims, is the fact he called out the Rotherham scandal years before it came out. He has highlighted issues in some communities which are on a par with the Jimmy Saville scandal...yet for some reason, they get swept under the carpet 

He provided evidence of senior counsellors and senior law enforcement who ignored claims because they feared being deemed ‘racist’ if they called it out for what it was 

Islam has not integrated very well in this country or western society as a whole. Until we actually tackle certain issues...rodents like Tommy Robinson will continue to get a platform 

Islam doesn’t have to successfully integrate, Muslims have their own culture which includes very strict rules that are incredibly different to what we understand in Western Europe. Yes, there are some instances where Muslims could attempt to integrate more, but a ‘successful integration’ would include them going to lengths that wouldn’t be fair. Do you think we should only allow Muslims and those from an Islamic based background  in the UK if they change their beliefs?
 

Yes he called out the Rotherham scandal, but let’s not pretend that that sort of thing isn’t swept under the carpet regardless of who did it. Look at Jimmy saville for instance, that was swept under the carpet for decades. The fact that it was an Islamic group who did it doesn’t mean it was swept under the carpet any more than other offences. 
 

Islam has integrated as well as it can in many respects I would argue, you can’t change someone’s beliefs just because they come from a totally different culture than you

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16 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

Do you believe Islam, as a whole, is successfully integrating with the West? 

The point I was making when I talked about the basis for his claims, is the fact he called out the Rotherham scandal years before it came out. He has highlighted issues in some communities which are on a par with the Jimmy Saville scandal...yet for some reason, they get swept under the carpet 

He provided evidence of senior counsellors and senior law enforcement who ignored claims because they feared being deemed ‘racist’ if they called it out for what it was 

Islam has not integrated very well in this country or western society as a whole. Until we actually tackle certain issues...rodents like Tommy Robinson will continue to get a platform 

Agree with that post. It's not just the West that Islam doesn't integrate with. Asian and in particular India have had problems, Nigeria also has a big problem with Islam 

Anyway maybe this thread should be moved to non football chat 

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13 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

Do you believe Islam, as a whole, is successfully integrating with the West? 

The point I was making when I talked about the basis for his claims, is the fact he called out the Rotherham scandal years before it came out. He has highlighted issues in some communities which are on a par with the Jimmy Saville scandal...yet for some reason, they get swept under the carpet 

He provided evidence of senior counsellors and senior law enforcement who ignored claims because they feared being deemed ‘racist’ if they called it out for what it was 

Islam has not integrated very well in this country or western society as a whole. Until we actually tackle certain issues...rodents like Tommy Robinson will continue to get a platform 

Rotherham was uncovered by The Times newspaper and brought to Parliament's attention after relentless campaigning by a Labour MP - Sarah Champion. Robinson just piggy backs off the publicity of these cases, to my knowledge he's never done anything constructive in terms of helping perpetrators being brought to justice.

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5 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Islam doesn’t have to successfully integrate, Muslims have their own culture which includes very strict rules that are incredibly different to what we understand in Western Europe. Yes, there are some instances where Muslims could attempt to integrate more, but a ‘successful integration’ would include them going to lengths that wouldn’t be fair. Do you think we should only allow Muslims and those from an Islamic based background  in the UK if they change their beliefs?
 

Yes he called out the Rotherham scandal, but let’s not pretend that that sort of thing isn’t swept under the carpet regardless of who did it. Look at Jimmy saville for instance, that was swept under the carpet for decades. The fact that it was an Islamic group who did it doesn’t mean it was swept under the carpet any more than other offences. 
 

Islam has integrated as well as it can in many respects I would argue, you can’t change someone’s beliefs just because they come from a totally different culture than you

The thing is is that other religions have integrated without any problems. In many cities with a large Muslim population they want and have sharia law and courts. When you move to a new country you follow the rules of that country. I know its not all but Tommy Robinson grew up in Luton and saw with his own eyes how that town has changed due to Muslim immigration and how there seems to be a more lenient approach from police towards them 

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4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Rotherham was uncovered by The Times newspaper and brought to Parliament's attention after relentless campaigning by a Labour MP - Sarah Champion. Robinson just piggy backs off the publicity of these cases, to my knowledge he's never done anything constructive in terms of helping perpetrators being brought to justice.

Completely agree, in fact his conviction for contempt of court , nearly let the perpetrators of serious sexual abuse charges a way out. 

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5 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

The thing is is that other religions have integrated without any problems. In many cities with a large Muslim population they want and have sharia law and courts. When you move to a new country you follow the rules of that country. I know its not all but Tommy Robinson grew up in Luton and saw with his own eyes how that town has changed due to Muslim immigration and how there seems to be a more lenient approach from police towards them 

bang on.

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14 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Islam doesn’t have to successfully integrate, Muslims have their own culture which includes very strict rules that are incredibly different to what we understand in Western Europe. Yes, there are some instances where Muslims could attempt to integrate more, but a ‘successful integration’ would include them going to lengths that wouldn’t be fair. Do you think we should only allow Muslims and those from an Islamic based background  in the UK if they change their beliefs?
 

Yes he called out the Rotherham scandal, but let’s not pretend that that sort of thing isn’t swept under the carpet regardless of who did it. Look at Jimmy saville for instance, that was swept under the carpet for decades. The fact that it was an Islamic group who did it doesn’t mean it was swept under the carpet any more than other offences. 
 

Islam has integrated as well as it can in many respects I would argue, you can’t change someone’s beliefs just because they come from a totally different culture than you

I find the comment I’ve highlighted astonishing. I really do 

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All clubs have racist fans. This forum may have racism people on here. Subconcious or open. Welcome to reality......still pathetic though.

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19 minutes ago, AshtonPark said:

Not according to the dictionary it isn’t, surely we don’t just make up meaning to words?  

Surely what you have just said can be deemed racist, so a white British Muslim is in an ethnic group?

A word or term can have many different extended meanings and interpretations than the simple one sentence definition found in a dictionary. 

E.g.

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. It may also mean prejudice discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity.”

I don’t really understand how you arrived to that final point either? Ethnicity is simply a group who share the same cultural or ancestral values? 

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If you are taking the piss out of someone because of their race.....it is racism.

If you are taking the piss out of a town because of the high numbers of a particular race.....it is racism.

Its very simple. If you cant understand that then your just not very bright.

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10 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

I find the comment I’ve highlighted astonishing. I really do 

It is isn't it. Can you imagine if Christians, Jews, Hindus etc didn't follow the strict rules that Muslims counties have if living there. They wouldn't last 5 mins there 

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19 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

Agree with that post. It's not just the West that Islam doesn't integrate with. Asian and in particular India have had problems, Nigeria also has a big problem with Islam 

Anyway maybe this thread should be moved to non football chat 

India is home to nearly 200 million muslims and has had a Muslim population for over 1,000 years. 

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12 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

In many cities with a large Muslim population they want and have sharia law and courts. When you move to a new country you follow the rules of that country. 

Unless there’s been a massive law change I’ve missed, Muslims in the UK are held to UK law. Sharia law does not overrule that.

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