RoystonFoote'snephew Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, REDOXO said: I made this point on another thread. Is sheep shagger a racist comment or just observational humor aimed at a particular culture. To be frank most of us know what is banter and where the line is. Some don’t! Sheep shagger is not a racist remark but an allusion to what is thought to be someone's sexual preference. Luton fans chanted it at us yesterday and, whatever they may think, Bristol is not in Wales. For all I know perhaps England Rugby fans could have chatted it at the Australian fans yesterday in Japan and could chant it towards the All Black's next Saturday. After all both Australia and New Zealand farm more sheep than the Welsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Torpey'sBigToe said: That doesn’t mean it’s not racist... It’s contextual, which is the point. You’re welcome. If you think there’s no context to racism then good luck to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBibs Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Parody account surely! I like the “suivre” option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpey'sBigToe Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 I’m saying it is contextual. You can differentiate an individual based on their race without it being abusive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 The only question is Why is this ***** thread on a Bristol City Forum and Football Sub Forum Too many on keyboards ‘I’m changing the world ‘ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziderarmy Posted October 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 The responses on this thread basically show what I was getting at in my original post. Its all so subjective it’s a complete minefield these days. Is “you’re just a small town in Asia” any different from “you’re just a small town in wales” ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, ziderheadarmy said: The responses on this thread basically show what I was getting at in my original post. Its all so subjective it’s a complete minefield these days. Is “you’re just a small town in Asia” any different from “you’re just a small town in wales” ? Of course , you could have posted this **** on the pages and pages of posters wanting to be the most moral on the other thread instead of starting yet another thread of ******* This forum has had one ***** weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said: The only question is Why is this ***** thread on a Bristol City Forum and Football Sub Forum Too many on keyboards ‘I’m changing the world ‘ Being on the wrong forum is a technical irrelevancy, the world ain’t gonna end. no problem with people trying to inform and educate idiotic backwards opinions on a keyboard, every little helps and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windmillhillred Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 8 hours ago, ziderheadarmy said: Is “you’re just a small town in Asia” any different from “you’re just a small town in wales” ? Yes. As people have explained to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 hours ago, city1983 said: Idiot I suggest you visit the Welsh valleys and pop in one of the locals on a Saturday night and start shouting sheep sheep and see what type of welcome you receive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 Should this be removed from Football Chat now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 11 hours ago, ziderheadarmy said: sections of the crowd are chanting sheep, sheep, sheep sh&£@r at Price who is obviously Welsh. Is this racist? Banter? Harmless fun? Because (apart from presumably perhaps weirdos exchanging pictures in the far reaches of the dark web) no one actually has sex with sheep, the chant is by its nature comical because it couldn't possibly be true. The other chants you are presumably comparing to don't have any comical element and instead refer simply to Asians (who do exist) as the source of great shame. In one chant the implication you're Welsh and therefore shag sheep (comical) and so considered inferior. In the other chants the implication is simply that you're Asian and on that basis alone considered inferior. One is lampooning one is bigoted. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl1 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 hours ago, !james said: Context. These are the sort of people who's Twitter bio says: Foreners? Foreners? in the gym I was talking to a mate about this post. i asked him if he could spell foreigner.. he got it right. oh he’s Polish, is an electrician, earns double what I do , pays higher rate tax and NI. Is still married to his English missus of 10 years, both his kids consider themselves dual nationality, speaking polish and English impeccably which one would I rather have a pint with???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 8 hours ago, Fjmcity said: Being on the wrong forum is a technical irrelevancy, the world ain’t gonna end. no problem with people trying to inform and educate idiotic backwards opinions on a keyboard, every little helps and all that Yes , it gives yourself and others a chance to put the World right and show personal and political stances on the Internet on two threads instead of one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 Swankers right you cant go around chanting sheep shagger to welsh people and expect them to find it comical. They call us worzels, anyone got a problem with scarecrows here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redinthehead Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: They call us worzels, anyone got a problem with scarecrows here? Doubt it. The scarecrow was looking for a brain so I’d imagine quite a few people who’ve posted would find some common ground with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 He also lived in a caravan and had unkempt hair..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Yes , it gives yourself and others a chance to put the World right and show personal and political stances on the Internet on two threads instead of one sorry for airing my personal view that racism is morally reprehensible in a football forum, imagine my embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 12 hours ago, ziderheadarmy said: Just watching Gerwyn Price v Michael Van Gerwen, sections of the crowd are chanting sheep, sheep, sheep sh&£@r at Price who is obviously Welsh. Is this racist? Banter? Harmless fun? Will these darts fans be identified by cctv and banned from future events? Double standards? Racism is a movable feast which is one of its main problems. Only some races/nationalities apply. Say I went in holiday with 3 mates. One a Welshman, one a Frenchman, one a Nigerian. I get home and I'm telling some other friends about my holiday in the pub. During my anecdote I do an impression of each of my friends. You know the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Yes , it gives yourself and others a chance to put the World right and show personal and political stances on the Internet on two threads instead of one By ‘two threads instead of one’ I presume you are referring to the thread about the racism at Luton Town? Does that therefore mean you think the songs chanted there were fine and nobody should be complaining about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 At the risk of being whooshed and stating the obvious, that Boozer Lee is certainly a fake or parody account. Quick google of it and yes it came up as one. https://tellmamauk.org/how-fake-far-right-accounts-spread-hate-on-twitter/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 59 minutes ago, Fjmcity said: sorry for airing my personal view that racism is morally reprehensible in a football forum, imagine my embarrassment. Don't fret, you'll get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 @BobBobSuperBob , going to reply to my post or just put a reaction on it? I'd say it was a pretty valid question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted October 21, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 13 hours ago, Olé said: Because (apart from presumably perhaps weirdos exchanging pictures in the far reaches of the dark web) no one actually has sex with sheep, the chant is by its nature comical because it couldn't possibly be true. The other chants you are presumably comparing to don't have any comical element and instead refer simply to Asians (who do exist) as the source of great shame. In one chant the implication you're Welsh and therefore shag sheep (comical) and so considered inferior. In the other chants the implication is simply that you're Asian and on that basis alone considered inferior. One is lampooning one is bigoted. Hope this helps. Sadly some people do have sex with sheep..... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2430470/Man-arrested-over-sheep-sex-attacks.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/man-accused-of-trying-to-have-sex-with-sheep-next-to-tottenham-hotspurs-training-ground-8826065.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stressed-student-caught-having-sex-with-a-sheep-in-university-barn-9863882.html And maybe these guys just didn’t have any sheep on their farm.... https://www.nbc26.com/news/national/trio-facing-1-460-charges-of-having-sex-with-animals-at-makeshift-pennsylvania-farm https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/03/12/man-caught-cctv-sex-sheep/ Sorry if this has shattered any illusions....... I’m just off to clear my browser history...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northsomersetred Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 Thought the op was on about this photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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