Akira Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 Ex Man City player guilty of match fixing Former Premier League player Dickson Etuhu has been found guilty of attempting to fix a match in Sweden's top division by an appeals court. He played for other clubs such as Norwich, Sunderland, Blackburn and Fulham. Quite surprised this sorta thing doesn't happen more often. You'd like to think people play the sport out of love, but no doubt that someone offering you a large bung, to those not highly paid in football, might be tempting. I'm glad he's been caught, but no doubt there were others involved aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 A couple of years we had match fixing in Sweden. Most of them in lower leauges, its a shame. Its been going round Europe for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Happens in the lower leagues here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted November 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Happens in the lower leagues here. How low we talking? How'd you know? Massive shame if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 The book on the bruce grobbelaar trial is excellent, even won sports book of the year His ex friend stiched him up a treat, Glad he got not guilty, when you read the facts its very intresting, the sun made out he took a envelope stuffed with cash, wasnt the case at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj77 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 I've listened to a podcast with a player who had been caught. I think he played for Bromley at the time. https://audioboom.com/posts/7408851-60k-was-fanned-on-the-bed-ex-footballer-talks-match-fixing-his-regrets-and-why-the-fa-hel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Popodopolous Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 I'm sure it goes on from time to time, at all levels and regardless or country or competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I'm sure it goes on from time to time, at all levels and regardless or country or competition. Barton seems to think it's rife within English football https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/joey-barton-football-association-gambling-betting-rife-match-fixing-a7795831.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 I have discussed this subject in open conversations with a number of league and even international footballers over the years and every one of them has said that they have never been involved in a game where they had the slightest suspicion of fixing. I think the nearest it gets is where two teams are playing each other when both perhaps just need one point to avoid relegation or get promoted. Remember the game at Highfield Road where nobody wanted to cross the halfway line for the last 10 minutes. However there have been suspicions of foul play. The World Cup Final between Brazil and France springs to mind - Ronaldo got food poisoning and the rest of the team looks like they had all been given sedatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Look at some of the top keepers in the last few years who have excelled in unexpected and perhaps dubious errors for club and country, I can think of one suspect is no longer in the national team but still playing in the premiership! of course it goes on, it’s a short career and the rewards from syndicates can be huge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Carey 6 said: Barton seems to think it's rife within English football https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/joey-barton-football-association-gambling-betting-rife-match-fixing-a7795831.html Well if anyone should know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Carey 6 said: Happens in the lower leagues here. Up north more so than down south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said: The book on the bruce grobbelaar trial is excellent, even won sports book of the year His ex friend stiched him up a treat, Glad he got not guilty, when you read the facts its very intresting, the sun made out he took a envelope stuffed with cash, wasnt the case at all. He did handle outside the area against us though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 4 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said: I have discussed this subject in open conversations with a number of league and even international footballers over the years and every one of them has said that they have never been involved in a game where they had the slightest suspicion of fixing. I think the nearest it gets is where two teams are playing each other when both perhaps just need one point to avoid relegation or get promoted. Remember the game at Highfield Road where nobody wanted to cross the halfway line for the last 10 minutes. However there have been suspicions of foul play. The World Cup Final between Brazil and France springs to mind - Ronaldo got food poisoning and the rest of the team looks like they had all been given sedatives. Wasn't their strong suspicions of something "iffy" back i the 78 world cup in Argentina. In the last group game Argentina needed to win and by 4/5 clear goals in order to progress and to do so at the expense of Brazil - their big rivals. They won far too easily 6-0! I'm sure Ive read that a Peruvian official says that they were paid to throw the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Carey 6 said: Happens in the lower leagues here. I just cannot see how it happens regularly, if at all. My reasons are you are match fixing to get lumpy bets on and make a lot of money. The bookies have everything in place to track any activity on any market, if it is an obscure market you just won't be able to get a decent amount on anyway, and if an influx of bets come in on a certain match (more so on lower leagues), then the alarm bells will be going off immediately - even just on the win market. Other avenues like Betfair just does not have the liquidity anymore like it did many years ago, so to get a decent sum on is nigh on impossible. As soon as a few bets gets struck online the markets get flagged up to the shops etc, and you will be lucky to bet in the shops in cash. It is just near impossible to get the money on without it being flagged up and reported to authorities imo. Same with Horse Racing where there are very rarely "fixed" races which people think there are, but there will be plenty of non triers - and if you are in the know and lay them for bigger liabilities than your usual bets, then you will soon have your account suspended with the balance withheld, and a phonecall from Betfair and the BHA expecting you to be interviewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, downendcity said: Wasn't their strong suspicions of something "iffy" back i the 78 world cup in Argentina. In the last group game Argentina needed to win and by 4/5 clear goals in order to progress and to do so at the expense of Brazil - their big rivals. They won far too easily 6-0! I'm sure Ive read that a Peruvian official says that they were paid to throw the game. Yeah, I have a vague recollection of that too. Far too long ago to remember very clearly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 58 minutes ago, downendcity said: Wasn't their strong suspicions of something "iffy" back i the 78 world cup in Argentina. In the last group game Argentina needed to win and by 4/5 clear goals in order to progress and to do so at the expense of Brazil - their big rivals. They won far too easily 6-0! I'm sure Ive read that a Peruvian official says that they were paid to throw the game. 1982 as well. Before my time but I've read about it...Germany or West Germany as it was then I think needed to beat Austria 1-0 exactly and this was when the final round of group games were not played simultaneously- only 1-0 would do for them both to progress and 1-0 it was! Euro 2004- Denmark v Sweden- one I remember unlike the above- those two needed a score draw of 2-2, or greater to deny Italy due to head to head rules- finished 2-2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 8 hours ago, southvillekiddy said: He did handle outside the area against us though He did something crazy outside the area in every game he ever played. Clough was cheated out of europe, called the ref bent at the time, and years later it all come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 R***** couldn’t even do that properly,can’t remember if it was one or 2 players involved,was one of them called Swan? ,anyway they messed it up and I believe they were bubbled by a team mate,although I might be wrong on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, NOTBLUE said: R***** couldn’t even do that properly,can’t remember if it was one or 2 players involved,was one of them called Swan? ,anyway they messed it up and I believe they were bubbled by a team mate,although I might be wrong on that. Bristol Rovers goalkeeper Esmond Million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydneybcfc Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 There are cases in all sports at all levels really, its probably incredibly difficult to quantify. Every human has their price whether money or threats against their family or blackmail. There was a young talented aussie tennis player who got caught for it not long ago. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-22/tennis-player-oliver-anderson-match-fixing-offence/10293928 Team sports are even harder to pick as other than goalkeeper there are very few positions that can really influence a result, but its more likely to be rife at the upper and lower ends of the scale where people have a lot to lose (the top) or nothing to lose (at the bottom). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 18 hours ago, wood_red said: I just cannot see how it happens regularly, if at all. My reasons are you are match fixing to get lumpy bets on and make a lot of money. The bookies have everything in place to track any activity on any market, if it is an obscure market you just won't be able to get a decent amount on anyway, and if an influx of bets come in on a certain match (more so on lower leagues), then the alarm bells will be going off immediately - even just on the win market. Other avenues like Betfair just does not have the liquidity anymore like it did many years ago, so to get a decent sum on is nigh on impossible. As soon as a few bets gets struck online the markets get flagged up to the shops etc, and you will be lucky to bet in the shops in cash. It is just near impossible to get the money on without it being flagged up and reported to authorities imo. Same with Horse Racing where there are very rarely "fixed" races which people think there are, but there will be plenty of non triers - and if you are in the know and lay them for bigger liabilities than your usual bets, then you will soon have your account suspended with the balance withheld, and a phonecall from Betfair and the BHA expecting you to be interviewed. You’re right about the horse racing,I used to occasionally go into a cafe near a well known trainers stables,which was frequented by many of the stable lads,and whilst they couldn’t tip me any winners,they would tell me what horses not to back as they wouldn’t be trying, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 30 minutes ago, Sydneybcfc said: There are cases in all sports at all levels really, its probably incredibly difficult to quantify. Every human has their price whether money or threats against their family or blackmail. There was a young talented aussie tennis player who got caught for it not long ago. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-22/tennis-player-oliver-anderson-match-fixing-offence/10293928 Team sports are even harder to pick as other than goalkeeper there are very few positions that can really influence a result, but its more likely to be rife at the upper and lower ends of the scale where people have a lot to lose (the top) or nothing to lose (at the bottom). The one person that can influence a game is the ref, it would be hugely tempting for them considering their pay is no where near that of a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 In my view its not much worse than diving to win a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-mat Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 On 14/11/2019 at 07:04, Carey 6 said: Happens in the lower leagues here. Used to happen (well spot fixing) every week at AG in the early nineties. First throw in.... Hoof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, J-mat said: Used to happen (well spot fixing) every week at AG in the early nineties. First throw in.... Hoof. I remember that. I had a mate who worked for one of the major bookmakers back then when spot betting became a thing and he told me they stopped offering a market on first throw in after only a short while as it was becoming obvious that players were just hoofing it into touch straight from the kick off (and presumably having a bet on same). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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