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In a fair few cases yes, this has gone quite wrong in Year 3 and we'll never know how it would have panned out, but I'm quite sure that Inter would have loved him to have stayed for a third season- absolutely loved him to. He left Inter on the highest note, winning the treble before Real Madrid came calling- the first and still only treble ever for an Italian side. Likewise you can bet that if Porto had been able to keep him- and had they kept him in 2004, then a decent chunk of players may also have stayed- they very much would have.

His record of trophies is great- his record of legacy is definitely more mixed!

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4 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Really?  Jose won trophies at Utd inc one of the Euro cups, even though taking over a car crash, he won the league with Chelsea in second spell, and he’s won trophies at every club he’s been at, hardly a strange appointment, Poch has won best part of nothing so far as a manager

Spurs have the potential to be a huge club they just need to loosen the purse strings a little and have the right person in charge perhaps Jose will be that man.

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Can’t think of a club less suited to the special one as Spurs. He’s all strong defensive spine, discipline and organisation. Spurs fans grow up to expect open, free flowing football. They often don’t get it, but that has to be the aim, or their fans just won’t buy it. Like Pauli’s at Ashton Gate- just never going to work.

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10 hours ago, Super said:

In five years at Tottenham, Mauricio Pochettino had a net spend of just £109m. ?

In Jose Mourinho's first 2 months at Manchester United, he had already spent £166.5m

You sure about those figures? 

Mourinho took over at Old Trafford in May 2016 - then in June, July and August that year he spent:

£30m on Eric Bailly

£zero on Ibrahimovic 

£26.3 on Mkhitaryan 

£89m on Pogba

Total: £145.3m

.... and over the last five seasons Spurs apparently spent £322.3m on players and recouped £227.7m when selling players - that gives a net spend of £94.6m ... 

https://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-league-tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

They’ve spent over £322m on players in the last five years .... but apparently they don’t pay the top whack salaries ...

It sounds a lot but at £64 million a season compared to the BIG clubs that's peanuts, even though to us in the championship it sounds a ridiculous amount of money, but as far as salaries that's what I meant they need to loosen the purse strings to attract the world class players, perhaps under Jose they are at last going to do that.

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19 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

Because he gets exceptional results from the players for the first season or two.

 

He never manages to make it through the third season, I wonder why?

There is coaching theory that head coaches/Managers lose efficiency after three seasons in a role. The first three seasons are the period to attain success more easily - Their impact as coaches after three seasons diminishes as part of a natural psychology.. 

One of the Coaches who espouses this as a belief is Pep Guardiola. He felt he spent one season too long at Barcelona. Man City?

Jose Mourinho uses a coaching method known as tactical periodisation. The game has five elements and those elements have timescales to be internalised into the squad. Here again the theory is that success is periodized. Seasons two and three are the most likely timescale for success. Mourinho and the fourth? Gone.

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15 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

How do you keep pointing it out to them? 

 

15 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

How do you keep pointing it out to them? 

As a club,over the last few years,not winning anything,but they’re a massive club......

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3 hours ago, RedDave said:

It’s potentially a great move from Spurs. In their self imposed financial restraint, Pochettino couldn’t win anything.  Maybe Jose will.  

It will end in tears. He may win a trophy, He will spend lots of money, he will fail to bring youngsters through, He will fall out with players then he will leave Spurs in a mess.

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49 minutes ago, Super said:

It will end in tears. He may win a trophy, He will spend lots of money, he will fail to bring youngsters through, He will fall out with players then he will leave Spurs in a mess.

More chance of a trophy than under Pochettino. He won’t spend a penny more than Poch would have as Spurs transfer activity doesn’t really involve the manager. Levy won’t allow a mess to be created. 
 

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16 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

They’ve spent over £322m on players in the last five years .... but apparently they don’t pay the top whack salaries ...

They don’t pay top whack. Relativity speaking they pay good wages with big incentive bonuses. But no Spurs player is on over £300k per week which is what I would consider top whack nowadays 

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19 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

He leaves the biggest clubs in the world in a mess?! Really?! Of course he doesn’t ....

Didn’t Chelsea win the league with the next manager after Jose left 2nd spell, hardly a mess!

Man Utd were already well into their nose dive when Jose came in and he still won the Euro Cup and League Cup was it.

Yet Poch wins nothing at all ever and gets lauded as some kind of football genius, insane! 

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19 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Didn’t Chelsea win the league with the next manager after Jose left 2nd spell, hardly a mess!

Man Utd were already well into their nose dive when Jose came in and he still won the Euro Cup and League Cup was it.

Yet Poch wins nothing at all ever and gets lauded as some kind of football genius, insane! 

I agree with you - Josè does not leave clubs in a mess. 

Hiddink was the Chelsea manager after Jose’s second spell - he didn’t win the league, but, as you say, Chelsea was hardly in a mess

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On 20/11/2019 at 08:36, sephjnr said:

Jose's firebrand personality for one, for another he will stand up for the need to spend money - last year he spent as much in one week as Poch had spent over 5-and-a-half years to this date.

 

On 20/11/2019 at 09:32, BS4 on Tour... said:

Did he? When was that week last year and who did he buy? As far as I can recall, last season Man Utd only brought in Diogo Dalot, Fred, Lee Grant and Paul Woolston .... and Jose was sacked in December 2018. The Fred transfer was rumoured to have cost Man Utd just over £50m - yet Levy authorised Spurs player purchases totalling £30m in the summer of 2014, £50m in the summer of 2015, nearly £70m in the summer of 2016 ... and Levy allowed Poch to spend over £100m on players to join Spurs in the summer of 2017 .... I think you’ve got Diane Abbott doing your sums ...

Love how people post unsubstantiated tripe that is probably made up and then totally ignore a post questioning their stats and suggesting they are totally incorrect - sounds a lot like social media in the build up to the general election ... 

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