nickolas Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 Now only recently ive started to think theres an uncanny resemblence. pointless sideways backwards football in defence for instance. Then when i think more about it, what used to really annoy me about SOD was how pre-match he would quote how strong the opposition were and how we had to stop this, that and the other. He even had players quoting the same in interviews. We basically set up negatively to stop the other team rather than apply our strengths and let the other team worry about us. i think LJ is becoming an SOD-type coach! Everything is based on the other team and therefore the constant cautious approach and tactics to starting games. This is no ‘stupid question’, just my observations, but uncanny now i reckon. oh dear!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Only had the same thought on Saturday. Watching Baker Wright and Williams constantly passing it between each other with no clue really brought back the very worst memories of Flint, Oconner and Williams in autumn 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Absolutely. Unfortunately the difference is that SL found SOD difficult to work with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 The main difference I can see is that SOD took us to the brink of league 2, LJ has taken us to the bring of the championship play offs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, JBFC II said: The main difference I can see is that SOD took us to the brink of league 2, LJ has taken us to the bring of the championship play offs.... That aside, pretty much identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 I dont like setting up to counter the opposition. You dont see the likes on Man City or Liverpool doing that. They have their systems and that's that. They may tweak it ever so slightly by playing different players but that's about it. By sticking with a system it gives familiarity, players know what their roles are, where they should be etc etc. Constantly changing the formation can do us no good at all, one minute Cod is playing cm and then the next hes playing lwb for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 10 hours ago, nickolas said: Now only recently ive started to think theres an uncanny resemblence. pointless sideways backwards football in defence for instance. Then when i think more about it, what used to really annoy me about SOD was how pre-match he would quote how strong the opposition were and how we had to stop this, that and the other. He even had players quoting the same in interviews. We basically set up negatively to stop the other team rather than apply our strengths and let the other team worry about us. i think LJ is becoming an SOD-type coach! Everything is based on the other team and therefore the constant cautious approach and tactics to starting games. This is no ‘stupid question’, just my observations, but uncanny now i reckon. oh dear!!!! LJ started his career at City believing in the romance of football, who dares wins , giantkilling cup exploits, sexy attacking teams ... but as we got torn apart so often he learned the importance of staying in games. I believe he still wants to play open attacking football but with the injuries he hasn’t been able to do so and then we started flirting with the top six and he saw that nicking points here and there worked. He now only goes balls out when we are losing or drawing against an ‘ inférieur’ team. It’s called ‘ pragmatism ‘ and by and large it’s successful for us as we don’t possess a squad of Prem players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Badger08 said: I was at an evening with Eddie Howe the other day. He said what a great coach he was. He thinks he's the best he's ever worked with. He also said that he struggled with the players as he is so introverted. Where's eddy worked with LJ or am I missing something.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 10 hours ago, nickolas said: Now only recently ive started to think theres an uncanny resemblence. pointless sideways backwards football in defence for instance. Then when i think more about it, what used to really annoy me about SOD was how pre-match he would quote how strong the opposition were and how we had to stop this, that and the other. He even had players quoting the same in interviews. We basically set up negatively to stop the other team rather than apply our strengths and let the other team worry about us. i think LJ is becoming an SOD-type coach! Everything is based on the other team and therefore the constant cautious approach and tactics to starting games. This is no ‘stupid question’, just my observations, but uncanny now i reckon. oh dear!!!! Apart from the part that Johnson can get an injury hit side to a team in the top end of the Championship. The other almost to bottom of league 1 and almost relegated to league 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Up The City! said: I dont like setting up to counter the opposition. You dont see the likes on Man City or Liverpool doing that. They have their systems and that's that. They may tweak it ever so slightly by playing different players but that's about it. By sticking with a system it gives familiarity, players know what their roles are, where they should be etc etc. Constantly changing the formation can do us no good at all, one minute Cod is playing cm and then the next hes playing lwb for example. I remember seeing a pre match interview with Klopp before Liverpool vs Man city and he said he rarely looks at the oppositions lineups! I think LJ may be overthinking sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, archie andrews said: Where's eddy worked with LJ or am I missing something.... he is talking about SOD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, !james said: he is talking about SOD... Ahh. Gotcha.... Might have helped giving a name :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Why is there this general negativity for Lee Johnson creeping in again? He's doing a top job at City and is getting close to turning us into a top 2 contender (granted not this season, but if Afobe wasn't injured, who knows?). City have no right or reason to be pushing for the top six again, for the third season in a row, yet here we are. Lee's doing a top job at the moment. S'OD was the 2nd worst manager City have had In my time (Pullis no.1) and couldn't inspire or motivate his players, or us. During his time with City he was the most downbeat man on the planet. Other than the defenders sometimes passing it around the back, which all defenders in the game do on occasion, I see no comparison between Lee and Sean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, Up The City! said: I dont like setting up to counter the opposition. You dont see the likes on Man City or Liverpool doing that. They have their systems and that's that. They may tweak it ever so slightly by playing different players but that's about it. By sticking with a system it gives familiarity, players know what their roles are, where they should be etc etc. Constantly changing the formation can do us no good at all, one minute Cod is playing cm and then the next hes playing lwb for example. The key difference is that Man City and Liverpool are two of the best teams in the world! We aren't! Ideally we wouldn't do it, but sometimes you have to be prudent. We obviously set up to take a draw yesterday against a strong side. It's possibly our hardest away game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: The key difference is that Man City and Liverpool are two of the best teams in the world! We aren't! Ideally we wouldn't do it, but sometimes you have to be prudent. We obviously set up to take a draw yesterday against a strong side. It's possibly our hardest away game of the season. Agreed. Though a baseline formation or structure ie a 4-3-3, or even as we see with Sheffield United a 3-5-2- okay maybe not with the current available players- but I'd be inclined for 4-3-3 or some variant of, with only some changes within that template could help. Sheffield United an excellent example- the base is there, then barring lot of injuries or similar, they make incremental changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: The key difference is that Man City and Liverpool are two of the best teams in the world! We aren't! Ideally we wouldn't do it, but sometimes you have to be prudent. We obviously set up to take a draw yesterday against a strong side. It's possibly our hardest away game of the season. Were Liverpool one of the best teams in the world before Klopp went there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, Badger08 said: I was at an evening with Eddie Howe the other day. He said what a great coach he was. He thinks he's the best he's ever worked with. He also said that he struggled with the players as he is so introverted. Do you mean Lee Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Up The City! said: Were Liverpool one of the best teams in the world before Klopp went there? Not sure I quite understand what you're getting at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 16 minutes ago, reddogkev said: Why is there this general negativity for Lee Johnson creeping in again? He's doing a top job at City and is getting close to turning us into a top 2 contender (granted not this season, but if Afobe wasn't injured, who knows?). City have no right or reason to be pushing for the top six again, for the third season in a row, yet here we are. Lee's doing a top job at the moment. S'OD was the 2nd worst manager City have had In my time (Pullis no.1) and couldn't inspire or motivate his players, or us. During his time with City he was the most downbeat man on the planet. Other than the defenders sometimes passing it around the back, which all defenders in the game do on occasion, I see no comparison between Lee and Sean. Genuinely curious as to why you think that? It isn't about having a 'right', if that was the case Preston would not be above us in the league table and Hull would not be 3 points behind us. Nor would Sheffield United have been promoted last season and sitting where they are in the PL. I think the frustration comes from a number of things, 1. The injuries, particularly Benik, have made us weaker BUT we have picked up a good number of points playing pretty poorly. 2. The constant changes of personnel 3 . Looking too much at the opposition and allowing them to effectively dictate our style of play and selections. 4. Dismal home performances when we only look to attack after we go behind, or at 70 minutes. 5. The fact that the opposition know this - just watch the Cowley brothers take advantage of that on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted November 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 51 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said: Apart from the part that Johnson can get an injury hit side to a team in the top end of the Championship. The other almost to bottom of league 1 and almost relegated to league 2. Who was quoting leagues and positions?! Clearly pointing out their similar traits, which i think are negative and not useful. i have no issue with LJ, i just see a lot of similarities. Cant deny our injury issues and we have been doing great despite them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Up The City! said: Were Liverpool one of the best teams in the world before Klopp went there? Don't think they were- but unsure what point you're trying to make as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Up The City! said: I dont like setting up to counter the opposition. You dont see the likes on Man City or Liverpool doing that. I appreciate it’s a totally different sport, but EVERY pre match interview Eddie Jones gives, they ask him “how will you counter this opponent or that one” and his answer is ALWAYS “ listen mate, we just have to play our game, not theirs”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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