La Plage Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 I know that it’s easy to talk a good job about managers and tactics when it’s not you in the firing line (Gary Neville being a great example), but why is it that Gary Owers seems to hit the weaknesses on the head week in week out, mainly the same points you and I also witness from the stands, but our coaching/management team fail to see from the dugout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, La Plage said: I know that it’s easy to talk a good job about managers and tactics when it’s not you in the firing line (Gary Neville being a great example), but why is it that Gary Owers seems to hit the weaknesses on the head week in week out, mainly the same points you and I also witness from the stands, but our coaching/management team fail to see from the dugout? Because our coaches and management team keep looking at "stats' instead if actually 'real life' How many box entries today I wonder Pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrdc Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, La Plage said: I know that it’s easy to talk a good job about managers and tactics when it’s not you in the firing line (Gary Neville being a great example), but why is it that Gary Owers seems to hit the weaknesses on the head week in week out, mainly the same points you and I also witness from the stands, but our coaching/management team fail to see from the dugout? Think it’s easy to see from a distance the problem. Owers had moderate success at non league level but by no means outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laner Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, boatman said: Think it’s easy to see from a distance the problems. Then please someone sit LJ in the press box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 It's easy to see, it's more difficult to fix. Sure LJ isn't happy with the intensity and you'd hope they do some sort of shape work in training but it's not getting through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Plage Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Or too many players to coach effectively? Especially when there appears to be no best 11, no system and no tactics or strategy. The only positive to come out of today, they are still in the cup..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, RonWalker said: It's easy to see, it's more difficult to fix. Sure LJ isn't happy with the intensity and you'd hope they do some sort of shape work in training but it's not getting through. Probably because LJ over complicates and keeps changing tactics and team selections from game to game. Footballers are not University graduate standard, they all have their skills in the positions they usually play in and over complicating coaching is imo having a negative effect on these players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperRed Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 I don’t know why all three of them are on the touch line. One should be up in the stand where you see the game completely differently i.e the lack of movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbury Red Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 And if you compare the simple tactic David Moyes has employed - play players in their best position and make the plan clear - life becomes so much easier! When Scott Murray played we knew what we would try to do to score a goal - I have absolutely no idea how we plan to score these days - apart from Eliasson! Please get the players to do the basics well and give them a strategy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, SuperRed said: I don’t know why all three of them are on the touch line. One should be up in the stand where you see the game completely differently i.e the lack of movement. why wasn't Johnson in the stands? thought he had a red card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordie Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 minute ago, redsquirrel said: why wasn't Johnson in the stands? thought he had a red card Rescinded I believe and I know we want to slate him for every little thing but personally think it was the right decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 The few times I've heard him on the radio i thought he was very good. However, down here in South Devon he'll probably go down as Torquay's worse ever manager. Strange one, I don't know why it doesn't work out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Laner said: Then please someone sit LJ in the press box. He will be for the next 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Allwaysred said: He will be for the next 3 games. Why? His red card was rescinded I do agree though that Managers often see the game better from the stands. Can’t remember which manager adopted that for the first half of a game , but I think it was a premier league team.Gives them a good overview and not at ground level, which is often where players lose out because we as the fans have a panoramic view and they of course can only see to the front and sides (and of course only one side at a time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhitepurple Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Spot on. Gary owers is a very honest and excellent local pundit. Glad bbc signed him up JOHNSON OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 minute ago, E.G.Red said: Why? His red card was rescinded Was it sorry missed that not that it matters it makes no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Laner said: Then please someone sit LJ in the press box. I LOVE this comment. Quality reply to Think it’s easy to see from a distance the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Redwhitepurple said: Spot on. Gary owers is a very honest and excellent local pundit. Glad bbc signed him up JOHNSON OUT Yes he says it as it is, and gives credit where credit is due, and criticises the players if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, La Plage said: I know that it’s easy to talk a good job about managers and tactics when it’s not you in the firing line (Gary Neville being a great example), but why is it that Gary Owers seems to hit the weaknesses on the head week in week out, mainly the same points you and I also witness from the stands, but our coaching/management team fail to see from the dugout? Ive often wondered why, and especially when a team is struggling, that the manager/coach doesn't sit up in the stands to get a better perspective on the game, formation and players' performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said: Probably because LJ over complicates and keeps changing tactics and team selections from game to game. Footballers are not University graduate standard, they all have their skills in the positions they usually play in and over complicating coaching is imo having a negative effect on these players. I think this could be very close to the truth. When LJ first joined, one thing I liked was he was keen to learn and to look at tactics and new ideas. On the downside of this, it seems like he hasn't managed to form a focused idea of how he wants the team to play, style, system, formation there doesn't seem to be an actual idea of how he wants us to go about the game. Bielsa is the polar opposite. The team are set up, they know how they will play and everyone is focused on their job. Someone comes into the team, he knows exactly what he has to do, we are light years away from that right now. 20 minutes ago, downendcity said: Ive often wondered why, and especially when a team is struggling, that the manager/coach doesn't sit up in the stands to get a better perspective on the game, formation and players' performance. Never understood how anyone can get a good idea of what is really going on when you are pitch level. I've watched plenty from that view and it is all but impossible to tell what goes on on the far side, and there is no way to see patterns of play. I would have 1 of the coaches in the upper Lansdown just to pass on info to pitch side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, ralphindevon said: The few times I've heard him on the radio i thought he was very good. However, down here in South Devon he'll probably go down as Torquay's worse ever manager. Strange one, I don't know why it doesn't work out I never thought his heart was in it TBH. He never seemed to be really up for the challenge whenever he was interviewed. It was a difficult time for the club off the pitch too and I sometimes wonder if he didn`t find out just how bad things really were until after he took the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: I never thought his heart was in it TBH. He never seemed to be really up for the challenge whenever he was interviewed. It was a difficult time for the club off the pitch too and I sometimes wonder if he didn`t find out just how bad things really were until after he took the job. Yes it wasn't an easy task. It didn't help his cause when GJ arrived and all of a sudden they were world beaters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: I never thought his heart was in it TBH. He never seemed to be really up for the challenge whenever he was interviewed. It was a difficult time for the club off the pitch too and I sometimes wonder if he didn`t find out just how bad things really were until after he took the job. That is spot on,the club was a complete mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsred14 Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Laner said: Then please someone sit LJ in the press box. Please don’t... I couldn’t bear his voice for 90 minutes on the radio ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, 1960maaan said: I think this could be very close to the truth. When LJ first joined, one thing I liked was he was keen to learn and to look at tactics and new ideas. On the downside of this, it seems like he hasn't managed to form a focused idea of how he wants the team to play, style, system, formation there doesn't seem to be an actual idea of how he wants us to go about the game. Bielsa is the polar opposite. The team are set up, they know how they will play and everyone is focused on their job. Someone comes into the team, he knows exactly what he has to do, we are light years away from that right now. Never understood how anyone can get a good idea of what is really going on when you are pitch level. I've watched plenty from that view and it is all but impossible to tell what goes on on the far side, and there is no way to see patterns of play. I would have 1 of the coaches in the upper Lansdown just to pass on info to pitch side. The club will have cameras up high left and centre so when Johnson goes through the game after he will see it from every angle,of course that is no good during the game but you would of thought by now he would of caught on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said: of course that is no good during the game That's the thing I don't get, if you had someone up top, they could tell LJ what was going on and how play was shaping up minute by minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 minute ago, 1960maaan said: That's the thing I don't get, if you had someone up top, they could tell LJ what was going on and how play was shaping up minute by minute. Would he listen tho,his ego wouldn’t allow anyone telling him what to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 hours ago, La Plage said: I know that it’s easy to talk a good job about managers and tactics when it’s not you in the firing line (Gary Neville being a great example), but why is it that Gary Owers seems to hit the weaknesses on the head week in week out, mainly the same points you and I also witness from the stands, but our coaching/management team fail to see from the dugout? Out of interest, what things did he note today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatalist Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 hours ago, boatman said: Think it’s easy to see from a distance the problem. Owers had moderate success at non league level but by no means outstanding. I'm really not a Johnson Out member, but isn't this an argument for a change of manager? A new perspective works wonders when the current management team can't see the wood for the trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 hours ago, gordie said: Rescinded I believe and I know we want to slate him for every little thing but personally think it was the right decision. thanks,thought it might have been appealed ,that was quick if it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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