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Aston Villa..

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Just now, bcfc01 said:

..Losing 0-4 at half time home to Manchester City.

Cements them in the bottom three.

Hope we see them next year and hopefully they get a nice welcome from the EFL re their dubious FFP activities.

Be interesting to see if the EFL takes appropriate action. Interesting also Bournemouth also could face problems 

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Love to see it!!

Their injuries, their current position plus of course, the effect on morale if they get a real hammering here, will set up a tough old final stint to the season for them...let's hope Watford continue to pull away, pile more pressure on Aston Villa and increase their chances of rejoining the EFL.

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Absolutely loving watching this.

Apart from the Gas I hate their arrogant bell-end fans with a passion.

Hope Man City get another 4 second half.

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Yeah.....Villa getting torn apart by Man City.........a  joy to watch...............:rofl2br:

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5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Yeah.....Villa getting torn apart by Man City.........a  joy to watch...............:rofl2br:

Hopefully Man City don’t take their foot off the throttle too much second half!

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With Watford on the rise, Bournemouth on the slide, Vile losing 5 or 6 to Man City, hurting the goal difference, the bottom 3 might be set as they are.

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4 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Got  no interest in Villa coming down. They are blatantly better than us whereas clubs like Watford we would have a chance of finishing above 

If the EFL get their act together and Villa come down, they could end up with a penalty that sends them to League 1...

 

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Love it! They spent an absolute bucket load in the summer on some pretty random and average players and it's great to watch them fail horribly. 

If we ever reach the prem we'd approach it like Burnley have, and I'm sure, build a cohesive squad and improve slowly year on year. 

I love when so called big clubs have a fall from grace and think the only thing they have to do is throw money at it and they will relive the glory days and it doesn't work! 

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8 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Got  no interest in Villa coming down. They are blatantly better than us whereas clubs like Watford we would have a chance of finishing above 

Cheats shouldn't prosper though, don't you agree? The points penalty they'd be looking at if true could be 11 pts at best, maybe 15-20 pts...think they'd struggle to get above us then? :)

Down down deeper and down! :pray::pray:

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1 minute ago, bcfc01 said:

If the EFL get their act together and Villa come down, they could end up with a penalty that sends them to League 1...

 

Is that realistic?  Genuine question btw. 

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2 minutes ago, lenred said:

Is that realistic?  Genuine question btw. 

15-20 pts could push them into a relegation scrap.

Who knows who they would lose in the summer too- not sure they'd go down again but it could be interesting.

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Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

15-20 pts could push them into a relegation scrap.

Indeed. But how will they receive the reduction in the first place? 

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Man City are in cruise control. 6 up no need to press the accelerator...............


Shame really I’d love to see them put another 3 or 4 past Villa.

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9 minutes ago, lenred said:

Indeed. But how will they receive the reduction in the first place? 

Well it's not guaranteed but there is a strong feeling that they breached FFP.

There are doubts about the validity of their stadium sale...their losses will have been huge. They list as an operating figure £50m or maybe it was more in 2017/18 and that was with £33m of parachute payments! 

I saw a £60m loss for last season mooted. Some will of course have been deductible- academy etc but based on precedent, for an exceeding of their loss of say £15m over the limit over 3 years- and they would be, that's 12 points.

Deliberate breach, that's another 3.

Escalating losses- well maybe that could be another charge but it could also be included under 'Deliberate'?

You might knock off one for compliance with say soft embargo in 2018 summer window, while there were issues but that's up for debate- that could've been for tax bill and not FFP. So it's a matter of opinion.

Or it could simply be all included under an aggravated breach- 12 + 9-1.

Loss limit alone looks like 12 though and being conservative I'd say 11 minimum.

Also don't forget the other clubs...Birmingham for the heinous offence of under £10m, over, admitting to it and signing Pedersen under a soft embargo, possibly escalated due to other clubs anger. Got 9 points and some rolling transfer restrictions.

Well imagine what the rest of the Championship will think of Aston Villa and their actions as they lost quite a bit more and benefitted financially from their promotion...the League is ultimately run by the clubs!!

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9 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Drinkwater has been embarrassing.

I'm sure the commentator said he'd only played 3 PL games in 21 months....... all against City!

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2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well it's not guaranteed but there is a strong feeling that they breached FFP.

There are doubts about the validity of their stadium sale...their losses will have been huge. They list as an operating figure £50m or maybe it was more in 2017/18 and that was with £33m of parachute payments! 

I saw a £60m loss for last season mooted. Some will of course have been deductible- academy etc but based on precedent, for an exceeding of their loss of say £15m over the limit over 3 years- and they would be, that's 12 points.

Deliberate breach, that's another 3.

Escalating losses- well maybe that could be another charge but it could also be included under 'Deliberate'?

You can knock off one for compliance with say soft embargo in 2018 summer window, while there were issues but that's up for debate.

Or it could simply be all included under an aggravated breach- 12 + 9-1.

Loss limit alone looks like 12 though and being conservative I'd say 11 minimum.

Thanks.  Will the EFL enforce it though after they’ve been out of the league for a season?  Or will they just brush it under the carpet?  Would take balls to charge them imo and the EFL don’t have a great track record on that score.  

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3 minutes ago, lenred said:

Thanks.  Will the EFL enforce it though after they’ve been out of the league for a season?  Or will they just brush it under the carpet?  Would take balls to charge them imo and the EFL don’t have a great track record on that score.  

Even the EFL under Harvey- who was pretty woeful in a lot of respects and frankly not the ideal man for the EFL CEO role-pursued Bournemouth for their fine and Leicester for theirs, and was dogged with QPR.

Rick Parry and possibly even Debbie Jevans strike me as significantly different to Harvey. All of this clampdown has accelerated since the former (Harvey) went and the latter 2 arrived/stepped up.

Only time will tell of course though.

Put it this way, just a personal view, but IF Harvey was still in charge, I reckon Bury would have been allowed to start the season!

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23 minutes ago, kivsy said:

Can’t stand villa , always do villa on the train , nice short trip.  Although we don’t play well or get results up there ! 

We want 6 

Wish granted. Now let's have 7.

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Even the EFL under Harvey- who was pretty woeful in a lot of respects and frankly not the ideal man for the EFL CEO role-pursued Bournemouth for their fine and Leicester for theirs, and was dogged with QPR.

Rick Parry and possibly even Debbie Jevans strike me as significantly different to Harvey. All of this clampdown has accelerated since the former (Harvey) went and the latter 2 arrived/stepped up.

Only time will tell of course though.

Well here’s hoping that they a) go down and then b) get the punishment they deserve! 

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41 minutes ago, daored said:

Be interesting to see if the EFL takes appropriate action. Interesting also Bournemouth also could face problems 

I really hope ‘Afc’ Bournemouth come down.Dont get me wrong, Eddie Howes done a fantastic job for them over the last few years but their fans are a bit above their station at the moment.Would be great to see them slide back to league two in their natural position.

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Villa are mere fodder now, at the top level. The very best they can ever hope for now is doing a bit of a Leicester a decade or two from now - and that's Leicester this season, not their miracle season of three or four years ago.

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Just now, Vincent Vega said:

My favourite Argentinian of all time

Absolute class . Was class at Ashton Gate when Sane scored . Putting his hands up to our fans after Sane celebration 

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41 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

I hope we don't see them next season

⬆️⬇️ 🤞

😉

I don’t think we will. But not for the reason you hope. 

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2 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

My favourite Argentinian of all time

 

1 minute ago, Red Army 75 said:

Absolute class . Was class at Ashton Gate when Sane scored . Putting his hands up to our fans after Sane celebration 

Top all round bloke, Sergio

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2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Absolute class . Was class at Ashton Gate when Sane scored . Putting his hands up to our fans after Sane celebration 

Also when de Bruyne picked up the ball from our end and Aguero scored if memory serves me.

you just had to stand and clap amazing football 

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2 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

 

Top all round bloke, Sergio

I have said to many people after our game against them, that he fits into the very small category of players who I would have paid money to watch on their own (maybe 10 in 55 years?). Incredible movement on and off the ball.

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4 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I have said to many people after our game against them, that he fits into the very small category of players who I would have paid money to watch on their own (maybe 10 in 55 years?). Incredible movement on and off the ball.

10, in 55 years?

So, the others might be:

1. Bergkamp.

2. Le Tissier. 

3. Hoddle. 

4. Best.

5. Law.

6. Charlton. 

7. Daniel, Colin.

8. How am I doing?

9. Dziekanowski?

 

 

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Been in Perry Barr today. What a dump it truly is around Villa's ground. 

Nothing to do with the fans - there's more rubbish, nappies and carpets on the streets than there is inside the houses or dustbins. 

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1 minute ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

10, in 55 years?

So, the others might be:

1. Bergkamp.

2. Le Tissier. 

3. Hoddle. 

4. Best.

5. Law.

6. Charlton. 

7. Daniel, Colin.

8. How am I doing?

9. Dziekanowski?

 

 

Sorry I should have been more specific, as in live. Before I saw Aguerro "live" I could never understand how he could arrive in and around the area in so much space.

I would have to dig through the memory banks for a complete list but, the following names are definitely there

Bobby Charlton - playing for England, would be one of the first in the 60's

Kevin Keegan 

Kenny Dalglish

Ardiles

Hoddle

Brooking (played in a West Ham team reduced to 10 men by injury and played our whole midfield off the park on his own)

Of the City players

Chris Crowe

Gerry Sharpe

Jacki 

and probably unpopularly, Nicky Maynard.

 

 

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I don’t ‘hate’ any club - not even the Gas. Hate is a very overused word which normally means something much milder  

However, there are a number of clubs that I dislike, and have to say, make me smile when they lose. Villa are one such club. I’m very pleased with tonight’s result and would love them to make an immediate return to the second tier - especially when Sheffield United are flying high. 

Other teams that fit the same ‘dislike’ mould for me are Leeds, Millwall, Cardiff and Preston (Preston simply because we absolutely CANNOT beat them, regardless of respective form and league positions). 

With the Gas, I simply don’t care about them - they’re irrelevant. I may feel differently if by some miracle they end up in the Championship with us, but for now they are simply another lower league side which can’t affect us. 

EDIT - I forgot to mention Derby on my dislike list - I went into one of their forums last season to thank them for letting us have Weimann - and the responses I got, whilst not hostile or aggressive, were so condescending and arrogant that I smile every time I look at the table and see us above them. Saying things like ‘He’ll be good for you, but he doesn’t match our ambitions’ or words to that effect. 

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Be interesting to see how Villa recover from this result. Just goes to show what an amazing job Hufflepuff has done with Saints after the 9 they conceded versus Leicester 

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2 minutes ago, harvey54 said:

Be interesting to see how Villa recover from this result. Just goes to show what an amazing job Hufflepuff has done with Saints after the 9 they conceded versus Leicester 

Yep he’s done a fantastic job to get them out of it at the moment.  Thought they were gone after that game. 

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1 minute ago, lenred said:

Yep he’s done a fantastic job to get them out of it at the moment.  Thought they were gone after that game. 

And Watford were gone too! Still think Newcastle might get dragged into the scrap 

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