davidoldfart Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Maybe our problem stems from the lack of a specialist coach for the strikers ..!! We have defence/midfield and goalkeeping coaches...but no striker/attacker coach. Other Championship teams are fully equipped some with even a dead ball and corner coach .. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handballbygordonparr Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Agree - if Lee's staying he needs to have a good look at his coaching team - it might save a few players from going under the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsteral Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 I said exactly the same thing on the coach after the game last night - we need a forwards coach to teach Famara and Andy how to play together, not completely solo as they are doing at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 The problem with ideas like this is that we have no idea what happens on the training pitch. For all we know, our forwards might train brilliantly and the coaches have plenty of great ideas. Whilst we have no clue how training work is divided and strikers train - it's difficult to comment. What we do know is that under LJ we have had some forwards who've done really well and clearly improved - Reid and Abraham in particular. Even Diedhiou, despite the criticism he gets, has improved and has a very respectable goalscoring record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, davidoldfart said: Maybe our problem stems from the lack of a specialist coach for the strikers Good strikers rely on instinct. I don’t think is possible to teach a striker how to find the net. Famara missing those two chances last night says more about Fam than anything else............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 The problem isn’t strikers, look at the conversion stat, we are right up there with the best, the problem is chance creation, we are in the bottom 3 with regards to this, in other words our strikers feed on scraps as we aren’t creative enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, Robbored said: Good strikers rely on instinct. I don’t think is possible to teach a striker how to find the net. Famara missing those two chances last night says more about Fam than anything else............. Sterling is a great example of a player that was a bag of nerves in front of goal. Very much the "would be great if could finish" type. Definately not one you could say was an instinctive scorer. Now he's a machine. True some players just know where the goal is, but of course you can teach it. With repetition repetition repetion of the right kind of practice, eventually it becomes instinctive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 17 minutes ago, The turtle said: Sterling is a great example of a player that was a bag of nerves in front of goal. Very much the "would be great if could finish" type. Definately not one you could say was an instinctive scorer. Now he's a machine. True some players just know where the goal is, but of course you can teach it. With repetition repetition repetion of the right kind of practice, eventually it becomes instinctive. If the base skills are there to start with . Not everyone who scratches a fiddle can be Yehudi Menuhin . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Major Isewater said: If the base skills are there to start with . Not everyone who scratches a fiddle can be Yehudi Menuhin . Good analogy Major - spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 53 minutes ago, Robbored said: Good strikers rely on instinct. I don’t think is possible to teach a striker how to find the net. Famara missing those two chances last night says more about Fam than anything else............. Fam isnt messi but the finish at the weekend, plus the disallowed goal were superb strikes. That lack of consistency is why hes not in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: If the base skills are there to start with . Not everyone who scratches a fiddle can be Yehudi Menuhin . Agree completely and the same can be applied to LJ ,I believe he has lost his promising young manager tag to lower league journey man. He flatters to deceive says the right thing to the powers that be but ultimately fails to deliver. Emperor's new clothes anyone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 47 minutes ago, The turtle said: Sterling is a great example of a player that was a bag of nerves in front of goal. Very much the "would be great if could finish" type. Definately not one you could say was an instinctive scorer. Now he's a machine. True some players just know where the goal is, but of course you can teach it. With repetition repetition repetion of the right kind of practice, eventually it becomes instinctive. 29 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: If the base skills are there to start with . Not everyone who scratches a fiddle can be Yehudi Menuhin . There is truth in both. Instinct is neural and trained in, and coached in. The mind recognises patterns on the pitch and reacts in milliseconds. The mind and body can only do this if it has the base skills. Skills that are normally created in footballers early ages by hundreds of hours of practice. Players as they age spend less time creating technique and concentrate of other aspects of the game. Repetition of tasks normally by periodized training will improve sharpness and decision making. City do train that way in focussed units(attacking players) and Mr Johnson will also on occasion bring in coaches who are not directly employed by BCFC. There are also other reasons why players can have problems. Skill is performed technique. Players can possess high levels of technique but due to nerves, self doubt, stress and on underperform - You should see what he can do in training.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handballbygordonparr Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Back to the OP - Is Lee's current coaching set up of Jamie MCallister and Dean Holden the answer to getting the best out of a talented squad or should we look to invest in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underhanded Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 As Monkeh states, the issue isn't with our strikers, but what happens behind them. Fam seems to get stick when he fails to convert, when we create a decent number of chances. I can't even really remember the last time that happened apart from last night. It's funny, we seem to forget the games where he grabs a goal when we've created next to nothing all game. There are a lot more recent examples of this, in my mind. The stats don't lie in this regard, we are clinical than most in this league, but create very few opportunities. It's the transition between our third and the final third that always gets me. On the few occasions we seem to get there, we look okay, but the amount of times we fail to transition is really concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkInChance Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Maybe we need a coach coach..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Dean Holden coaches our strikers. So don't need one unless we sack him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notbarrymanc Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 For the sake of team unity I’d prefer the team travelled together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Wilson Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 One area where an attacking coach would be really useful is Eliasson. Definitely feel like there’s a 10+ goal a season winger in there with the right guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handballbygordonparr Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Dean Holden coaches our strikers. So don't need one unless we sack him According to Wiki, Dean Holden scored 22 goals in 369 appearances for all clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 hours ago, handballbygordonparr said: According to Wiki, Dean Holden scored 22 goals in 369 appearances for all clubs. He is not playing up front for us so why does the matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 11 hours ago, davidoldfart said: Maybe our problem stems from the lack of a specialist coach for the strikers ..!! We have defence/midfield and goalkeeping coaches...but no striker/attacker coach. Other Championship teams are fully equipped some with even a dead ball and corner coach .. Just a thought. Just buy a striker who knows..... You can't teach that if you know what I mean. Afobe or Fam. MT is a good example just didn't get the game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 11 hours ago, davidoldfart said: Maybe our problem stems from the lack of a specialist coach for the strikers ..!! We have defence/midfield and goalkeeping coaches...but no striker/attacker coach. Other Championship teams are fully equipped some with even a dead ball and corner coach .. Just a thought. I’m up for it.... Fammy, Weimann, try an old technique called front & far when attacking a cross, it’s amazing how it works. Also, try to make sure you can see the player on the ball, with a clear line of sight, it’s called creating an angle. Particularly you Andi, the player on the ball doesn’t want to see your back. Also, Fammy, try to be proactive, rather than reactive. Work on that & tomorrow we will work on hitting the inside of the side netting with some finishing drills. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handballbygordonparr Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, JonDolman said: He is not playing up front for us so why does the matter? Thought it might just be useful for a striker coach to have done a bit of striking at some point in their career. just an idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, handballbygordonparr said: Thought it might just be useful for a striker coach to have done a bit of striking at some point in their career. just an idea Could be helpful I guess.but also could be completely irrelevant. The England striker coach, forget his name, Scottish bloke. Players pay him thousands per hour for personal one on one training. I don't even think he ever played the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Could be helpful I guess.but also could be completely irrelevant. The England striker coach, forget his name, Scottish bloke. Players pay him thousands per hour for personal one on one training. I don't even think he ever played the game. Alan Russell. He did play pro but was hardly a prolific goal scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 13 hours ago, Major Isewater said: If the base skills are there to start with . Not everyone who scratches a fiddle can be Yehudi Menuhin . You talking strikers or LJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Get Billy Sharp in as a coach/player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Robin Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Not sure it would really help in terms of results,but better than nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handballbygordonparr Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Lets get this Scottish chap Russel then - because it really doesn't look like it's working too well with Dean. At a couple of thousand an hour £7M for Josh would buy us enough hours to achieve something this season and no doubt increase the resale value of a few in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 17 hours ago, handballbygordonparr said: According to Wiki, Dean Holden scored 22 goals in 369 appearances for all clubs. 23 hours ago, handballbygordonparr said: Back to the OP - Is Lee's current coaching set up of Jamie MCallister and Dean Holden the answer to getting the best out of a talented squad or should we look to invest in this area. The playing career of a coach isn't that relevant really. I suppose a decorated former pro might be able to give more gravitas when coaching in certain areas but it's no guarantee they'd be a great coach. We have no idea what happens on the training pitch so criticism of McAllister and Holden in this regard is unfair. There's form for this on this forum though; I remember when people (ridiculously) saw Holden as some sort of Jonah figure because his arrival coincided with a bumpy run. It's better to comment on things we can actually measure and assess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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